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Also, since someone should mention it... in trying to find a greater place for Lydia, we're considering making her part of the Cadaverini family, probably a cousin of Viola's. Personally, I really like this in light of the Cadaverini-Gavin family feud, since it puts tension in Lydia/Konrad a la Romeo and Juliet. Though hopefully this wouldn't end with everyone dying.
In trying to work out this family tree, I think what works best is if Viola's mother is a Vasquez, sister to Dee. Dee is thus very close to the family, particularly to Viola, but Bruto can easily see reason to cut her out of the inheritance. On the other hand, Lydi would probably be the child of a sibling of Viola's father, making her an actual descendant of Bruto - a mob princess, though she's far better suited to the "princess" part than the "mob" part. I see her cosplay as thus being a sort of escapism, fueled by the family voodoo, allowing her to assume different roles and live life without always having "mafiosa" written all over her.
In light of this, and based on Lydi's design history, I think I'd really like to see her natural hair color be maroon, and she starts dyeing it pink, possibly after meeting Rocktra.
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Pie wrote:
Also, since someone should mention it... in trying to find a greater place for Lydia, we're considering making her part of the Cadaverini family, probably a cousin of Viola's. Personally, I really like this in light of the Cadaverini-Gavin family feud, since it puts tension in Lydia/Konrad a la Romeo and Juliet. Though hopefully this wouldn't end with everyone dying.
But..But..But, The dying at the end of Romeo and Juliet was like what made it famous. Without the death, it was just another long, drawn out, hate/love story. Can we kill just a little, please? Maybe fake a few deaths for a better purpose?
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In trying to work out this family tree, I think what works best is if Viola's mother is a Vasquez, sister to Dee. Dee is thus very close to the family, particularly to Viola, but Bruto can easily see reason to cut her out of the inheritance. On the other hand, Lydi would probably be the child of a sibling of Viola's father, making her an actual descendant of Bruto - a mob princess, though she's far better suited to the "princess" part than the "mob" part. I see her cosplay as thus being a sort of escapism, fueled by the family voodoo, allowing her to assume different roles and live life without always having "mafiosa" written all over her.
In light of this, and based on Lydi's design history, I think I'd really like to see her natural hair color be maroon, and she starts dyeing it pink, possibly after meeting Rocktra.
In light of this, and based on Lydi's design history, I think I'd really like to see her natural hair color be maroon, and she starts dyeing it pink, possibly after meeting Rocktra.
Something seems a litte out of place with that concept of Dee and the written out inheritance. I'm pretty sure the only way Dee would have gotten some of the inheritance is if Bruto/Dee's Sister (Maybe Tanpopo from the special Promo manga?) had it written in. And why would they do that if they love Viola so much?
I'm not a lawyer but from what I understand, Inheritance usually goes to the Marriage Partner first. If there is a problem with the Marriage partner (death for example), then it's left to their offspring. After that, it goes to the other kin and family. Of course, this can be changed with a Will.
Then again, this a Mafia family, so I don't know if the standard Inheritance still counts.
As for Lydi, I have a question. If she's a descendant of Bruto, wouldn't she be sister/cousin to Viola and could possibly end up fighting for Bruto's affection?
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Something seems a litte out of place with that concept of Dee and the written out inheritance. I'm pretty sure the only way Dee would have gotten some of the inheritance is if Bruto/Dee's Sister (Maybe Tanpopo from the special Promo manga?) had it written in. And why would they do that if they love Viola so much?
I'm not a lawyer but from what I understand, Inheritance usually goes to the Marriage Partner first. If there is a problem with the Marriage partner (death for example), then it's left to their offspring. After that, it goes to the other kin and family. Of course, this can be changed with a Will.
Then again, this a Mafia family, so I don't know if the standard Inheritance still counts.
I'm not a lawyer but from what I understand, Inheritance usually goes to the Marriage Partner first. If there is a problem with the Marriage partner (death for example), then it's left to their offspring. After that, it goes to the other kin and family. Of course, this can be changed with a Will.
Then again, this a Mafia family, so I don't know if the standard Inheritance still counts.
That's what I meant, pretty much, though I guess I put it the wrong way. No matter how close Dee can be to the Cadaverinis, she's not really a Cadaverini herself by blood or marriage, just sister to one who married in. Thus, no matter how much she might want what Bruto passes on, it's going to Viola and, depending on how this turns out, maybe some to Lydi as well. Hence I suspect a potential for jealousy. Capisce?
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As for Lydi, I have a question. If she's a descendant of Bruto, wouldn't she be sister/cousin to Viola and could possibly end up fighting for Bruto's affection?
Yeah, I'm assuming that she's Viola's cousin here - though it'd be possible to make her a Vasquez rather than a Cadaverini, I think that making her closer to the main family creates more tension and drama for her scandalous friendship with a Gavin.
I'm not sure if Lydi would be that interested in Bruto's affection, personally. Though the close, proper, refined family seems to fit, she seems like she'd be a black sheep of such a family - or, um, a pink sheep, given the rest of the family dresses in black - and might be more interested in a way out of the mafia rather than to establish a strong place in it.
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But, seeing this topic and the old topic have give me some questions, is there some problem if I ask them?
If the answer is "no", then , if there is no problem, I'm going to ask them now.
But first I'll apologize if one of my questions is too dumb or too obvious, or even a question that have been answered before ( I'm not an observant person, so there is the possibility that the answer to some of my questions is in the post before mine).
So here goes:
- Where is the rest o the people that were working in the series? I mean, Yuu-chan, CantFaketheFunk, etc. The last time I saw posts regarding the project that belonged to them was in a very long time ago.
- The fact that I'm a fan prevent me for putting some suggestions or ideas here? Because I see that some characters don't have a "solid" story in Super Makoto ( I mean, Shelly, the Gramarye Troup, etc), and there is some "old" things in the project that I will be glad to discuss ( like all the Matt x Makoto thing, Godot, etc); so I was thinking for a long time on the possibility that maybe I could help you guys in something.
- I see that Lydia have a big participation in the actual Super Makoto ( not so big compared to the "primary cast", but still...). So that is an indication that the "major" OC's will come back? Sorry if I'm bringing this polemic matter in discussion again, but I see that some of the "old" OCs had their original roles been reduced ( like Moonlight Angel), or had even been "deleted" ( like Shanon); and the fact that ( even after that big discussion about the OCs in the old topic) Lydia still have a big role compared to the other OCs ( well, at least in my opinion), and the fact that you guys are ( at least in my point of view) really serious about the idea of putting another OC in the series ( Pie) is really confusing!
Well, that's it, sorry for the excessive number of smiles or some nasty erros of spelling. And sorry again if one of my questions is much dumb/obvious/have an answer already.
And thanks for the patience!
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But first I'll apologize if one of my questions is too dumb or too obvious, or even a question that have been answered before ( I'm not an observant person, so there is the possibility that the answer to some of my questions is in the post before mine).
We welcome all questions. There's a lot of ground to cover in Super Makoto, so the best thing to do is ask questions. You can get answers a lot faster if you ask the project members directly, or even bring something to their attention they may have forgotten.
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Where is the rest o the people that were working in the series? I mean, Yuu-chan, CantFaketheFunk, etc. The last time I saw posts regarding the project that belonged to them was in a very long time ago.
People who have contributed to the project are listed in the first post of this thread as contributors. If they have since left the project or are no longer contributing regularly, they are not included in the "current project member" list. We have a similar listing on the wiki.
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The fact that I'm a fan prevent me for putting some suggestions or ideas here? Because I see that some characters don't have a "solid" story in Super Makoto ( I mean, Shelly, the Gramarye Troup, etc), and there is some "old" things in the project that I will be glad to discuss ( like all the Matt x Makoto thing, Godot, etc); so I was thinking for a long time on the possibility that maybe I could help you guys in something.
A lot of our ideas come from outside sources, and we always invite people to post their ideas and feedback here in the thread. Even the strangest or least compatible ideas may provide future inspiration for the project down the road; we've recycled and revived older concepts, and are constantly reworking what's already been laid down.
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I see that Lydia have a big participation in the actual Super Makoto ( not so big compared to the "primary cast", but still...). So that is an indication that the "major" OC's will come back? Sorry if I'm bringing this polemic matter in discussion again, but I see that some of the "old" OCs had their original roles been reduced ( like Moonlight Angel), or had even been "deleted" ( like Shanon); and the fact that ( even after that big discussion about the OCs in the old topic) Lydia still have a big role compared to the other OCs ( well, at least in my opinion), and the fact that you guys are ( at least in my point of view) really serious about the idea of putting another OC in the series ( Pie) is really confusing!
It is, isn't it? The fact is, we recognize that original characters (OCs) can serve a very important role in SMako. Ace Attorney is a video game series that is built upon a large, colorful cast, and adding to it can supplement its strengths. At the same time, this means we must hold them up to very high standards to make sure they contribute everything they can to the story and environment. This means some OCs may be removed or abandoned if they don't ultimately meet our expectations.
You can read more about our OC policy here.
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Well, I'm going to sleep, but I'm very happy now that I know that I can contribute with something in this project. Maybe tomorrow I can post some of my suggestions!
I thank you again, Boron, and I hope you and the other guys like my future suggestions!
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All In The Family
While we continue to work on the Big Fat Mafia Story, the Cadaverinis have seen some considerable updates and development. First off, Viola herself has spearheaded the changes as "Belladonna", coming into her own as a full-fledged witch, though considerably different from her earliest incarnations in the project. Her magical powers focus on fire and plants, in particular the intelligent "Charley" that arms and armors her through thick and thin. Secondly, this has led to the entire Cadaverini clan being brought into the witchcraft tradition: Bruto himself has become a practitioner of black magic, and even once summoned a succubus into the world (but that's a story for later). Dee Vasquez is now an aunt, the sister of Viola's mother, and herself a witch, though her means and intentions are decidedly darker and more dastardly. With Viola set up to inherit the Cadaverini legacy from Bruto, Dee has befriended Viola in hopes of getting a piece of the pie. And last but not least, there's a new addition to the clan of little corpses: Lydia Cadaverini, a young cousin of Viola's, the rambunctious "pink sheep" of the family that dreams of a fanciful life outside of the politics of the family business. Her cosplay-based superpowers are also fueled by the witchcraft in her blood.
Brawl In The Family
And what a scandal Lydia has gotten herself into! Cavorting around with that Konrad Gavin fellow, and his feminine alter ego Rocktra, too... don't they know that Konrad's mother is the sworn enemy of the Cadaverini clan? Yes, Troia Gavin was the same succubus summoned into the world of mortals by Bruto himself; she summarily rejected his attempt to control her and went about her merry way, eventually settling down with Mr Gavin and vigorously spawning Kristoph and Konrad. Interestingly, these hellspawn all share the strange ability to genderbend.
OC Alert!
Wait, who's Troia Gavin? Yes, suffice to say, the past week has seen not one, but two Original Character additions to the cast of Super Makoto! Troia Gavin herself is the mythical mother of the Gavin brothers, but this second concept, "Pie" of Interpol, is a mystery yet to be solved.
Issues with Interpol
And speaking of Interpol, it's a good thing Pie was around to take up Valerie Hawthorne's old ID number: Valerie was caught up in a vicious scandal that compromised Interpol's security, ending up with her "disappearing" and her associate Terry Fawles being jailed. Terry himself has superpowers, too, you know; he's pretty much unbreakable. Romein LeTouse could use a power like that...
Starving for Art
In recent discussions, it's come up that a lot of characters need concepts and artwork in general. If you want to contribute, look at the list in Pie's post for an idea on who needs some love, or browse the tags in the SMako Photobucket.
And Speaking of Art, A Brush With Fate
Misty Fey has begun to make appearances in SMako's developing storyline, this time as the original magical girl hero who revolutionized the Kurain Spirit Channeling Technique to combat the forces of evil, in particular the vile Emperor Manfred von Karma back before he had an empire! She teamed up with such personalities as Gregory Edgeworth and Lightning, but has since retreated into hiding after being disgraced in public. Little did she know that Redd White and other nefarious villains had conspired to organize her downfall and send her into hiding. Many years later, Misty Fey, as an artist by the name "Elise Deauxnim", learns of Super Makoto accidentally through her former pupil, Larry Butz, and crafts the Celestial Brush for the young heroine, in hopes that she will paint a brighter future for the world.
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I really like what's being done with the mafia characters, especially Dee <3
But all of these characters are interesting :]
Also, if you take fan suggestions, I think it would be neat if Dandee or the Komoris from the various PW manga were to make appearances~
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But yes, I'd love to see Dandee in this - even though, admittedly, I know almost nothing about her. From just my experience as part of an Italian family, though, and from what's known about the structure of a Mafia family, the Cadaverini clan seems small even with Dee and Lydia added to it. I'm working under the assumption that the Cadaverini family is larger than it looks, we're only seeing some of the more significant members. There isn't much need to name every Capo...
I really ought to read more of the manga.
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Sorry about that, Stronger then myself.
Things are looking great as usual, the only remark i have is the lack of images in the wiki.
Even if they were just mugshots, it would give the thing another feel.
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About the art thing, I would love do some of the necessary images!
If I could draw like a normal person, and not like a monkey with excessive amounts of coffe.
I'm really trying to learn how to draw decently, but until I learn, sadly, I cannot contribute with the art for a long time.
So, sorry if I can't contribute with all the art thing.
But because of that, I will try to do my best in other things related to the project!
Spoiler: Suggestion about Juan
Spoiler: Suggestion about Gregory ( and Edgeworth)
), and in a matter of time, he was a very normal person living a very normal life again.So, what do you guys think? I know they aren't that "OMG SO EPIC I LOVE IT S2" type of suggestion, but...
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I was the person who drew that picture, actually, and it wasn't for shock value. Many years before the current timeline Juan kills Celeste, but she ultimately teaches him a lesson by attempting to blind him. It didn't work and only one of his eyes is bad now. As far as the idea of loving bears go, we haven't discussed it too much but I personally have an idea myself-
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Before Celeste went against the Emperor she and Juan got married, so that she could adopt a child (that child was Adrian Andrews). She would give Juan gifts over the span of their 5 year marriage, one of them being a toy bear. Part of his clinging guilt, in the current arc, was the fact that he still has the toy bear she gave him.
Eyepatch ideas and whether he should just replace his eye is still to be discussed, whether it be significant or not. Another pitched idea was a spy camera in place of it, reminiscent to 2-4 with his constant spying on Matt and visa versa.
As far as the other part, with Gregory possibly being a werewolf himself, I can't say on that. I don't work on that fray of the plot very much (my main discussion and working points are the Fey family, the part of HT concerning Mimi, Celeste/Juan/Adrian, Hobocop (or at least his support crew, Lisa and Glen.) and so forth).
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Which makes your base suggestion a very interesting idea - making Miles be a werewolf by inherited genetics, rather than having him be an experiment himself...
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Yes, Juan uses a 'gitaroo' as his weapon. It creates sonic waves via guitar shredding. His armor is indeed based of the Jammin' Ninja suit, and at this point in the timeline he is the Army General for Emperor von Karma.
I was the person who drew that picture, actually, and it wasn't for shock value. Many years before the current timeline Juan kills Celeste, but she ultimately teaches him a lesson by attempting to blind him. It didn't work and only one of his eyes is bad now. As far as the idea of loving bears go, we haven't discussed it too much but I personally have an idea myself-
Before Celeste went against the Emperor she and Juan got married, so that she could adopt a child (that child was Adrian Andrews). She would give Juan gifts over the span of their 5 year marriage, one of them being a toy bear. Part of his clinging guilt, in the current arc, was the fact that he still has the toy bear she gave him.
Eyepatch ideas and whether he should just replace his eye is still to be discussed, whether it be significant or not. Another pitched idea was a spy camera in place of it, reminiscent to 2-4 with his constant spying on Matt and visa versa.
I was the person who drew that picture, actually, and it wasn't for shock value. Many years before the current timeline Juan kills Celeste, but she ultimately teaches him a lesson by attempting to blind him. It didn't work and only one of his eyes is bad now. As far as the idea of loving bears go, we haven't discussed it too much but I personally have an idea myself-
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Before Celeste went against the Emperor she and Juan got married, so that she could adopt a child (that child was Adrian Andrews). She would give Juan gifts over the span of their 5 year marriage, one of them being a toy bear. Part of his clinging guilt, in the current arc, was the fact that he still has the toy bear she gave him.
Eyepatch ideas and whether he should just replace his eye is still to be discussed, whether it be significant or not. Another pitched idea was a spy camera in place of it, reminiscent to 2-4 with his constant spying on Matt and visa versa.
I think that the camera and the bear are great ideas. I think they will add a considerable amount of history to Juan, and they make two refferences about his "canon" history/personality in Justice For All, too.
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My main problem with your proposal on how to make Gregory a werewolf is that it's completely out of the order of events of the plot - Misty's disappearance is supposed to be an indirect effect of Gregory's death, and SL-6 was years after that.
I, I, I didn't thinked about that!
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But there's other ways to make him a werewolf. Actually, Bee and myself were hoping to stop making people have origins at HT - there's too much there as it is - and Bee has actually been thinking about separating Edgeworth from the hospital.
Which makes your base suggestion a very interesting idea - making Miles be a werewolf by inherited genetics, rather than having him be an experiment himself...
Which makes your base suggestion a very interesting idea - making Miles be a werewolf by inherited genetics, rather than having him be an experiment himself...
Based on the info that you gave me ( about the "Gregory being a werewolf is out of the order of the timeline" and "we want to take stop making people have origins ate the Holy Trinity"), I think that tha idea of Gregory being a werewolf, but without all the Holy Trinity thing ( maybe by inherited genetics like you sayed; or the result of the bite of someone who was too, a werewolf), is valid ( or not
). Primarily because of this question:If Gregory is fighting against Empreror Karma, what powers he will have?
I mean, Emperor Manfed is extremely powerful. So powerful that a girl that break the law of physics can't fight against him alone and he is the villain fo the last arc ( and we all know that: villain of the last arc = the most powerful villain, but there are excessions. That is not the case of Emperor Karma).
So, in the past, Elise, Lighting and Gregory had fighted against him. Elise had some awesome spirit powers, and Lighting had all the powers that he had in the time ( that isn't little thing if we take into consideration that he is a villain of a major arc; and that, in the time he was a "hero", he was the commander of one of the best crime-fighting teams of the time). And Gregory had... well...
With all the "Gregory is a werewolf" thing, this could "fill the hole" ( if we could call this "hole"
) of this part of the plot.Spoiler: But still...
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... we have a lot of characters who are 32.
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O_O.........O_O!! These are great! I'll have to make a more coherent post after I read all of it...This may take awhile.
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*Is Revived* Ow....My head hurts....It's probably the massive need of sleep but...Where are the arcs exactly? And which ones are done? *Limps back to VG to heal*
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The project is divided into three arcs of focus: Backstory, Current Arc and Future Arc. Backstory is what's most under development right now, because it's hard to build the Current Arc without knowing the setting behind it. Future Arc is basically "don't think about it yet".
Gant's Arc is the first story arc of the Current Arc. It's the only one with any sort of solidness. Not even started, but set as the final arc of the Current Arc (to define what Current Arc is), is Karma's Arc.
There are assumed to be arcs in between, but we haven't decided what those are...
By the way, I've been trying to add more images to the wiki. For example, check out the Super Makoto Project page. More than just a wall of text now!
We're going to need some images to flavor the section summarizing the new thread, however. I'm looking for good images that prominently feature Makoto or that have a lot of characters in it. So, if any of our artists want to try drawing something that would work well for this page, go for it!
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I've also been going on a journey of image adding. Few character profiles so far have a profile image for their info box (Alita Tiala, Pulsar, Lotta Hart, Mia Fey and Cody Hackins). Since I've fallen ill today I'll be adding some more profile images, along with other things~
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Here is a category of character pages that do not yet have images for profiles. Feel free to draw some nice pictures of these characters!
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The current (I guess?) design was a loose adaptation of Yuu's bunny ears super suit which was toned down IMMENSELY (and thankfully). At some point, I was like is Mako's design final because I want to come up with a design blah blah blah. So I made a a bunch of designs that all looked the same (wtf?) until I came up with this which I was incredibly proud of. I felt that it incorporated elements of Mako's in-game design but was still fun and cute and magical girl-tastic. Unfortunately it was shot down by Bee who felt that it didn't make sense and that it was a silly sweater thing. I was mildly irritated because I felt it did make sense if it was thought of in layers, but I had to get over it.
SO, back to last night/yesterday/this morning? Bee pitched the idea of making Mako's outfit a sweater dress. The design created, while cute, was decidedly too casual. So more brainstorming occured.
Spoiler: Makoto designs wheee~
At some point Bee said that he couldn't see Makoto wearing a dress (or was it skirt). I said that I could since Makoto obviously appreciates cute things and is very feminine. I went on trying to explain that I felt that when Makoto is SUPER that she should stand out--that she should somehow be an opposite (but not a negative opposite like Venom Mako) to her civilian self. I mean she is SUPERRRRR.
I tried to explain my point further by bringing up Shadow Lady. Main character chick is conservative and shy blahblahblah, but when she transforms she is more upbeat and fancy and revealing. Obviously I'm not saying Mako should become over-sexualized like Shadow Lady, but that she can at least wear something a little more "fun"(?).
Spoiler: One last design
So basically that's all I have to say, and this is also probably the longest post I've ever made for Smako :D
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And while I now agree with a more playful bent for Makoto's future designs, I still want to stay away from referencing the denim overalls, outside of an apron... the buckles just don't seem right.
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I think in terms of hair we don't have quite a lot to work with: her bangs are significantly shorter, so we can't really tie those back, and she already has the headscarf on there. However, I think we already have what we need for that department, if you look back at those recent sketches. Typically, mundane characters may have more realistic, "flatter" hair that doesn't get all over the place. "Super" hair, on the other hand, has to be dramatic and billowy; it may simply be a matter of making Makoto's hair act differently when she is Super Makoto.
And while I now agree with a more playful bent for Makoto's future designs, I still want to stay away from referencing the denim overalls, outside of an apron... the buckles just don't seem right.
And while I now agree with a more playful bent for Makoto's future designs, I still want to stay away from referencing the denim overalls, outside of an apron... the buckles just don't seem right.
I agree... the buckles feel really awkward. :|
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I've got to say, I think I'm noticing a distinct difference in your designs and Bee's... and much as I hate to say it, a lot of it comes down to the fact that you're female and Bee is male. Yes, I said it. But the difference is definitely there and I dare one of you to claim otherwise.
Perfect example? Remember designing Lana? Bee's first instinct was to turn her military vest into a ski jacket sort of thing and give her a respirator, sort of like a modified, small version of Mr. Freeze's suit. And yours, Kiki, was to turn her military vest into a mage-like coat.
Bee, your designs are frequently more masculine: your instincts are more towards the practical and/or sexual, technological enhancements and form-fitting clothing (I'm sure the fact that you've got a thing for jumpsuits plays a part in that, too). This is a style that works well for characters like Triple D, Adrian, Lisa, Lady Sakai...
On the other hand, Kiki, yours are distinctly feminine - lace and curls and cute embellishments, it seems, are just second nature to you. I think while Bee naturally tends towards form-fitting clothing, especially for women, you have a lot of fun thinking about the construction of the clothes themselves, playing with the silhouette more and the different sorts of details one can add. It's a style that works well for Trucy, Pearl, Lydia... and, I would argue, Makoto herself.
Now, both of them are great styles, and I'm not suggesting either of you is completely limited to them. And most characters aren't really at one extreme or the other - it's why arguments can break out over, say, Sadistress, since her outfit is mostly a "fetish" style and that's something I think doesn't lie wholly in either category. But with this said...
I think it's already obvious I'm siding more with Kiki's designs on this one. Makoto is a magical girl, so I really have no problem seeing her in a dress and would actually prefer it. It gives her a much more feminine look than her overalls do, and it makes her look more distinctly "transformed" from her regular conservative look. Makoto is an artist, yes, but as a magical girl she has an obligation to feel at least a little like a pretty, pretty princess. With a bowtie still, though, because the bowtie is cute and a great alternative to the giant chest bow seen on heroines like Sailor Moon.
Though I really kind of like her overalls becoming an apron rather than a jumper dress. Partially because the apron gives her a very artist-like look, and partially because aprons and dresses look adorable together, can we please capitalize on this pretty please.
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And then, of course, there's stubs to worry about, but I'm gonna be focusing on those for a bit myself.
EDIT: Rather than triple post...
PINK WIKI!
It's not staying like this, the pink background is just a placeholder for now. Ideally, since we can make different stylesheets and people can choose their own, I'd like to make a background image default that has pastel colors fading into white or light grey, and other options for people who'd prefer monotone grey or, in case people want to make their wiki pink, monotone in a pastel color.
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Unless you guys want to keep the default pink. |D
We also need to get a new logo, I think. The old one looks okay on a light background, but it looks iffy here on the thread, and we'll need something for the upper left corner.
EDIT: Toned down the pink a bit. Also made it so infobox templates can have their colors customized, and am adding it to some characters' infoboxes now. I'm picking based off general look or powers, so please feel free to make changes if you think another color would be better suited for a character.
EDIT: Temporary logo added. If anyone wants to take a shot at making one (or at least improving on mine), please do! Make sure it's 155x155 and upload it over the current image, however. That makes it easier.
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Anyway, I was looking over pages of characters who still needs quotes and a few questions popped into my mind. Leon, Regina's lion companion from her TV superhero days was taken away from her after contract was terminated. We know what happens to Regina afterwards, but what about Leon? Do we know whatever happen to him besides being kidnapped by the TV studio? Does he ever get to see Regina again? Or is he locked away in the control of the TV studio company to die of loneliness?
As for a quote for him, I was think along the lions errr lines of "Regina... Where are you?" with sadness add to to that. I'm sure that Leon misses Regina when he's taken away from her and possibly doesn't know that he's been replaced.
Edit: My idea for Manfred's Quote: "Perfection." Do I really need to expand upon this? For Troia: It's should something along the line of how only the meek can conquer in love. You know, she's tamed by a submissive (meek) man and falls in love with him.
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Pie wrote:
We're actually not sure what the fate of Léon is. The best happy ending I can muster is that Makoto somehow finds the little guy and Dream Warrior gets to ride him like a horse. But we haven't really decided.
I like that idea actually but let's add on it, even if this is rejected later on. Perhaps during a battle, Makoto gets seriously injured and Dream Warrior jumps (floats) in of her to block the next attack. The attacks hits which cuts Dream Warrior and little of "her" stuff falls out and onto Leon. Thus, transforming him into a powerful and brave lion to fight along with aside her to protect a near-death Makoto.
(And, yes, this is kinda of a reference to She-Ra/He-man.)
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Speaking of Regent, Bee and I were discussing Regent's character. While I like the idea of him as misguiding Regina and generally being a bad kitty, keeping him distinctly different from Leon, Bee had the thought of making him actually a voice of reason, placing Regina's fall entirely on herself.
I think we're both okay with a middle ground with the idea of Regent being rather self-focused and indifferent to the moral struggles of the world - while Leon tried to teach Regina to be a real hero and have a strong moral compass, Regent only volunteered advice when Regina wasn't sure what to do, and then only gave what seemed to be the most immediately beneficial thing to getting him dinner.
What do the rest of you guys think? Any suggestions for Regent?
Also, I think I've successfully removed all gray from the style, meaning my major style work is complete. I'm also going to keep track of template editing and other visual work I'll be doing on my userpage in the "WikiFairy updates" section, so I don't have to report small updates here and we can keep the conversation on the characters and plot. Sound fair? Feel free to leave me a message on my talk page sometimes, guys!
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So there's an idea started a while ago with me noting that Pearl and Daryan's backstories have some similarities... losing family, growing up under the wing of a martial artist, stuff like that. And Pearl's guesses about "special someones" are usually wrong...
Maybe the Pink Princess should get the wrong idea about who her knight in shining armor is?
With appropriate amount of jealousy and fury from Cody, of course. And then if we do decide to put Daryan on the 12-step program to becoming an antihero by sometime around the Future Arc, letting Pearl down gently would be the first step.
Just an idea at the moment, though.
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I think we should make it that Pearl is a fan of the Gavineers, especially Daryan, meets him and ya. If Hairaiser is an evil doer I don't think Pink Princess will exactly go nuts (as in love nuts) over him.
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But... yes, that makes a lot of sense, actually. And it might be, in fact, the reason why he would have to let the girl down gently (besides her being kind of young for him, and the fact that Cody Hackins is going to try and gnaw his ankles off if he doesn't).
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Quote:
(3) MSOB > Kristoph was the military defense counsel for Diego Armando following the Borginia Incident
(3) MSOB > In order to prove Diego's innocence, he... (fill in the blank?)
(1) Pie > Had Makoto forge evidence. Possibly a cocoon.
(3) MSOB > But because of Inspiration's limitations (it can't make living objects) the cocoon didn't act like a real cocoon at all when examined/tested.
(1) Pie > Exactly. (Good reasoning at that.)
(1) Pie > Diego was exiled. Kristoph was disbarred.
(1) Pie > Insert about seven years of wounded pride before Kristoph... somehow meets Makoto again and the plot is set off with a bang.
(3) MSOB > So we have two blanks to fill from here, then. Why did Kristoph know about Makoto's superpowers, and how did they meet again?
(3) MSOB > In order to prove Diego's innocence, he... (fill in the blank?)
(1) Pie > Had Makoto forge evidence. Possibly a cocoon.
(3) MSOB > But because of Inspiration's limitations (it can't make living objects) the cocoon didn't act like a real cocoon at all when examined/tested.
(1) Pie > Exactly. (Good reasoning at that.)
(1) Pie > Diego was exiled. Kristoph was disbarred.
(1) Pie > Insert about seven years of wounded pride before Kristoph... somehow meets Makoto again and the plot is set off with a bang.
(3) MSOB > So we have two blanks to fill from here, then. Why did Kristoph know about Makoto's superpowers, and how did they meet again?
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Kristoph, after getting disbarred, works for Ariadne Cosmetics. G-Girl is a subsidiary of the Ariadne brand... or they might both be subsidiaries of a company, not sure yet.
But this grand company of fashion, style, and sex appeal is owned by none other than Troia Gavin. Summoned into the mortal realm years ago, she used her natural abilities to go far in the corporate world. Expect a lot of those cosmetics to be laced with pheromones and the like.
And of course, if momma Gavin owns that much, her two sons must have been born into the world with silver spoons in their mouths... which, personally, I find makes the friendship between Konrad and Daryan that much sweeter, since Daryan's basically just a street rat when he meets Konrad.
Please tell me their friendship's gonna be repaired eventually.
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- Miles Edgeworth has officially been released from his Holy Trinity backstory, because three experiments in the past is enough.
- Miles now inherits the werewolf condition from his father, Gregory Edgeworth... whose death has been bumped up seven years to match with other parts of the timeline. Miles is now only a one-year-old pup when his father dies.
- Manfred von Karma initially makes Gregory into a servant with a killswitch: Gregory is infected by venom, and then shot with a silver bullet. The Venom protects him from the silver bullet, so if the Venom is ever lifted, he dies.
- Misty Fey knows how to lift the Venom, through her colormagic stuff. She uses this on the 'sick' Gregory Edgeworth, and he dies instantly. She is blamed for his death, damaging her name badly, and is forced into hiding.
- Celeste Inpax is 26 when this happens, and she saw enough to figure out what really happened to Gregory. She starts a rebellion against Manfred von Karma and adopts Adrian a year later - even if Celeste is killed for her action, it is her hope that at least she can lead the child on the right path, instead of leaving her to be doomed to be one of Manfred's pod people.
It was not fun making these details, since a lot of it was finding out how to make the timeline work with the existing ageups.
Some things we're still considering:
- As a specific explanation for why the Venom made Gregory safe from the bullet, Venom might have the property to make one immune to poisonous substances. Would explain why it's called Venom.
- Celeste leaves Juan a teddy bear, telling him to give it to Adrian if she should die. Then he kills her. He keeps it for years, haunted by the guilt, and eventually caves in to regret and gives it to Adrian. The bear contains a camera with a message from Celeste, explaining Manfred von Karma's crimes and other things Adrian was made to forget.
- How was Venom fashioned into Black Nail Polish? If Troia Gavin owns the Ariadne brand, it'd be as simple as getting her infected with a heavy dose of Venom. The problem with this is that Venom is at heart a tool of domination, and Troia's one existing character trait is that she cannot stand being under anyone's control. If Makoto were thus to free her from this Venom state, Troia might actually offer Makoto support in taking Manfred down, possibly in the form of some new upgrade like the Celestial Brush. "But... Mrs. Gavin, I can't take this. Your son is my archenemy." "Yes, dear, and now your grandfather is mine. Consider it on the house."
By the way, we need Misty's super name.
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And on that subject, I put Venom Makoto in a sweaterdress. :B It's still provocative, but not as outrageous as the corset dress of old, plus it's made of a softer material. Straps optional, though Makoto doesn't exactly have *cough* the goods to hold the assembly up, unless that is a really tight piece of clothing.
Back to the issue of color, I was pondering the visible light spectrum and how it compares to traditional painting color theory. Right now, we have two rainbow-themed heroes: Makoto and Misty. It was Misty's spectral powers that cured Gregory of Manfred's Venom, and it is Makoto's artistic abilities that have Manfred worried in present times. Supposedly, what makes them differ is that Misty is light-based, while Makoto is pigment-based. Does Makoto upgrade to using one or both spectrums? How should the Black Nail Polish and Celestial Brush serve to augment this range?
Hm, actually, there's an interesting dichotomy here. The Celestial Brush comes from a light-based hero, whereas the Black Nail Polish is a physical color crafted by a demonic entity.
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Pie wrote:
Some new decisions:
- Miles Edgeworth has officially been released from his Holy Trinity backstory, because three experiments in the past is enough.
- Miles now inherits the werewolf condition from his father, Gregory Edgeworth... whose death has been bumped up seven years to match with other parts of the timeline. Miles is now only a one-year-old pup when his father dies.
- Misty Fey knows how to lift the Venom, through her colormagic stuff. She uses this on the 'sick' Gregory Edgeworth, and he dies instantly. She is blamed for his death, damaging her name badly, and is forced into hiding.
- Miles Edgeworth has officially been released from his Holy Trinity backstory, because three experiments in the past is enough.
- Miles now inherits the werewolf condition from his father, Gregory Edgeworth... whose death has been bumped up seven years to match with other parts of the timeline. Miles is now only a one-year-old pup when his father dies.
- Misty Fey knows how to lift the Venom, through her colormagic stuff. She uses this on the 'sick' Gregory Edgeworth, and he dies instantly. She is blamed for his death, damaging her name badly, and is forced into hiding.
Okay, I agree with Edgeworth is being pulled out of Holy Trinity. He did seem to be a misfit among the experiments (as odd as that sounds). If we kill off, Gregory when Miles is 1, who is gonna raise him? He can't just raise himself. The only idea I have is that Misty adopts him as a way to atone for her crime for "killing" his father. But I don't know if this gonna work with her going into hiding and everything. Unless we have a Troia Edgeworth...[/quote]
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-Manfred von Karma initially makes Gregory into a servant with a killswitch: Gregory is infected by venom, and then shot with a silver bullet. The Venom protects him from the silver bullet, so if the Venom is ever lifted, he dies.
- As a specific explanation for why the Venom made Gregory safe from the bullet, Venom might have the property to make one immune to poisonous substances. Would explain why it's called Venom.
- As a specific explanation for why the Venom made Gregory safe from the bullet, Venom might have the property to make one immune to poisonous substances. Would explain why it's called Venom.
But wouldn't that just make Vemon an anti-vemon? But then the anti-vemon is a vemon itself...*goes into a infinite loophole*
The immunity thing seems out of place to me. Perhaps the Vemon encased the sliver bullet and stop it right before hitting some vital organ (heart/brain?) as a way to let the vemon to keep on living inside of him. Sounds kinda parasitic (Sorry Pie) but knowing Manfred, it's something he'll make the Vemon do that.
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By the way, we need Misty's super name.
I would suggest Amaterasu but I'm sure that wouldn't fly with having our own Celestial Brush. Prehaps something like that might work...
MoronSonOfBoron wrote:
Back to the issue of color, I was pondering the visible light spectrum and how it compares to traditional painting color theory. Right now, we have two rainbow-themed heroes: Makoto and Misty. It was Misty's spectral powers that cured Gregory of Manfred's Venom, and it is Makoto's artistic abilities that have Manfred worried in present times. Supposedly, what makes them differ is that Misty is light-based, while Makoto is pigment-based. Does Makoto upgrade to using one or both spectrums? How should the Black Nail Polish and Celestial Brush serve to augment this range?
Don't you need light to make a pigment have it's color? And that the light that is not absorbed get it's color that way? So, wouldn't that just make them about the same or is there something I'm missing?
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ButzPuff wrote:
But wouldn't that just make Vemon an anti-vemon? But then the anti-vemon is a vemon itself...*goes into a infinite loophole*
Something to remember about venom: the difference between venom and poison is that a venomous creature is immune to its own poison.
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I dunno, it made sense to me. :|
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