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Franziska: I'd probably get stoned for this but I just don't like her character. Yes, she has room to grow but not until Capcom learns you can only spam the whip-thing too far. 3-5 was the closest her character was IMO to being tolerable. If anything I prefer her character in small doses.
Godot: He's awesome but his story is pretty much done, before and after T&T.
Manfred: Somehow, just don't see it...
Lana: It can't really work before 1-5 because when she was under Gant's thumb the entire time. Maybe when she gets out of jail and is working her way back up or something.
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Robin Goodfellow wrote:
Franziska: I'd probably get stoned for this but I just don't like her character. Yes, she has room to grow but not until Capcom learns you can only spam the whip-thing too far. 3-5 was the closest her character was IMO to being tolerable. If anything I prefer her character in small doses.
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Lana: It can't really work before 1-5 because when she was under Gant's thumb the entire time. Maybe when she gets out of jail and is working her way back up or something.
I'd rather see her investigating before the Darke Incident.
When she and Gant were just an awesome investigation team.
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Menno wrote:
Hobo Phoenix Wright,
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I agree! esp since
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Icarus wrote:
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tl;dr: Franziska is cool because personality-wise, she's kinda like Phoenix's evil twin separated at birth and raised by Manfred.
Spoiler: response that is slightly off-topic
But I do agree with you that Franziska never had a chance to shine as a character. Which is why many people felt she's flat as a character, because they view her as "Lady Whippingberg", and are surprised when she shows mercy or kindness. I blame Capcom taking her whipping slapstick gimmick too far.
I do wish she can have her own game to show the softer side of her, as well as showing her thought processes beneath the "whip all to submission" part we always see. (and we need a female lead!) It might make a more interesting game than say, Klavier, because of her connections with Interpol (going International!)
That being said though, I wonder if she would be hard to write as a main character, because there's a fine line of how far can you show her soft side before it gets OOC (unless she's a true Tsudere, and she actually thinks differently and only acts tough). So I wonder if Franziska was always intended to be a secondary character, with her role being to develop Phoenix and Edgeworth's characters....
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MapleRose wrote:
Icarus wrote:
Also like Phoenix was her motivation to become a lawyer. Edgeworth became a lawyer at first because he wanted to defend innocents, but later because he wanted to punish criminals. In contrast to Edgeworth's motivations, Phoenix became a lawyer for more personal reasons. He heard about Miles' reputation as a demon lawyer and wanted to save his friend. Defending people because they were innocent was at first simply a means to an end, and it wasn't until 2-4 that Phoenix really faced up to the reality of his profession and began asking the tough questions about his duty. Franziska mirrors Phoenix's motivations in that the actual act of being a lawyer had nothing to do with her career choice. She became a lawyer not for a high-minded reason like defending the innocent or punishing the guilty, but for personal reasons, to gain the approval of her father and to prove herself an equal to a sibling she felt inferior to.
Like I said earlier, if Franziska was forced to reassess her responsibility to her client as a lawyer like Phoenix's 2-4 moment or was forced to confront what an evil, twisted man Manfred von Karma was, then that could be an excellent starting point for her growth as both a character and as a lawyer/investigator.
tl;dr: Franziska is cool because personality-wise, she's kinda like Phoenix's evil twin separated at birth and raised by Manfred.
Like I said earlier, if Franziska was forced to reassess her responsibility to her client as a lawyer like Phoenix's 2-4 moment or was forced to confront what an evil, twisted man Manfred von Karma was, then that could be an excellent starting point for her growth as both a character and as a lawyer/investigator.
tl;dr: Franziska is cool because personality-wise, she's kinda like Phoenix's evil twin separated at birth and raised by Manfred.
I'm not sure what you mean by Phoenix being her (I'm assuming you meant Franziska) motivation to become a lawyer, because didn't she become a lawyer because her dad expected her to?
Hold on a moment. I never said Phoenix was Franziska's motivation, I said "[s]he became a lawyer [...] for personal reasons, to gain the approval of her father and to prove herself an equal to a sibling she felt inferior to." Was my post confusingly worded? I didn't mean to say that Phoenix himself was Franziska's reason, my point was supposed to be that Franziska and Phoenix had similar motivations because they're similar people mentored by two extremely different people.
And honestly, based on AAI-4, I don't think Manfred ever expected Franziska to become a lawyer, he just wanted to set up Gregory Edgeworth's son to be destroyed, and Franziska took up prosecuting in a desperate bid to not be ignored. Manfred doesn't show any interest in Franziska, and on top of that, he seems like the kind of guy who would be disappointed in his daughters for not having a Y chromosome.
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Also, I have a slight objection to Phoenix's reasons: he became a lawyer to save his friends (Edgeworth in particular), but also to defend the innocent, because he knows what it feels like to be all alone with nobody to believe in them, and he doesn't want anyone else to feel that way. I also wonder if Phoenix wants to punish criminals by defending the innocent as well, because he said to Edgeworth in 2-4 that he doesn't have the right to judge anyone again. So while Phoenix's reasons are more selfish than Edgeworth's, it's not as selfish as Franziska's. I felt her reasons were mostly pride and getting approval from her father.[/spoiler]
True, but that was kind of retconned in 3-1 when Phoenix was an art student who takes up law after hearing bad things about Edgeworth. The classroom trial still played a pivotal role in his attitude towards the law and justice, but he wouldn't have become a lawyer if he wasn't trying to make a point to Edgeworth.
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But I do agree with you that Franziska never had a chance to shine as a character. Which is why many people felt she's flat as a character, because they view her as "Lady Whippingberg", and are surprised when she shows mercy or kindness. I blame Capcom taking her whipping slapstick gimmick too far.
I do wish she can have her own game to show the softer side of her, as well as showing her thought processes beneath the "whip all to submission" part we always see. (and we need a female lead!) It might make a more interesting game than say, Klavier, because of her connections with Interpol (going International!)
That being said though, I wonder if she would be hard to write as a main character, because there's a fine line of how far can you show her soft side before it gets OOC (unless she's a true Tsudere, and she actually thinks differently and only acts tough). So I wonder if Franziska was always intended to be a secondary character, with her role being to develop Phoenix and Edgeworth's characters....
I do wish she can have her own game to show the softer side of her, as well as showing her thought processes beneath the "whip all to submission" part we always see. (and we need a female lead!) It might make a more interesting game than say, Klavier, because of her connections with Interpol (going International!)
That being said though, I wonder if she would be hard to write as a main character, because there's a fine line of how far can you show her soft side before it gets OOC (unless she's a true Tsudere, and she actually thinks differently and only acts tough). So I wonder if Franziska was always intended to be a secondary character, with her role being to develop Phoenix and Edgeworth's characters....
I would feel let down if they made Franziska a "tsundere"-type character, because she isn't. Franziska is a very competitive person who constantly feels the need to prove herself (Facing off against the man who destroyed her father's forty-year perfect record was pretty much suicide for her perfect record, but she tried anyways.) She's intelligent and quick on her feet, but also incredibly stubborn and easily upset. She does genuinely care about people, but she's been raised to believe that's something that holds her back and channels her affection for her adopted brother into her hyper-competitive urges.
Honestly, I find that to be a way more interesting character than "she pretends to be a bitch, but she's the most fucking stereotypical girly girl underneath it all."
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If it has to be an attorney, then an AAI-styled game with Phoenix would be fukken' A (especially if it had both court segments and confrontations).
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So for example you could have Maggey suddenly turn into a prosecutor or play the lead investigator, or like Meekins or something, because Meekins is freaking awesome.
Other possibilities could include:
A very organised Adrian Andrews
Vera Misham?
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I'd have to say Godot, because he's so awesome!!!
Manfred would be my second choice, though.
Manfred would be my second choice, though.
Pretty much what i think.
Klavier would be alright too.
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And playing as Klavier would make it the worst game ever lol. D: Well, that's my opinion XD
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Lol, you're right. I can't imagine the games having minigames, though D: Would be terrible o.o
I dunno...I wouldn't mind if you could access *insert protaganists name here* phone and play a small Steel Samurai side scrolling fighter game just for fun. Like Tin Pin Slammer in TWEWY.
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Lana would be dreadful to play as, though; she has a rotten personality when she's a prosecutor. Perhaps when she was a detective, but not as a prosecutor. If we were to choose a detective, I'd definitely want to play as Ema.
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Plus the side stories could be really interesting...
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Hmmm....new main characters...
I would REALLY like to see a Klavier-centric game. It would be nice for Capcom to give him some more depth to his personality than we saw in AJ (toward the end of case 4 I KNEW there was more to him than meets the eye) Plus, Ema could have a dual role as the detective and the female sidekick so...NO NEW REPLACEMENT MAYA!! :D And I just think Klavi is a cool character. :)
I wouldn't mind a Franziska game either. She could do some more work with Interpol or something like that...which would inevitably involve more Lang!! :D As much as Fran does get on my nerves sometimes (cases 2 & 3 of Justice For All, anyone?) I really like her as a character. (and it would be GREAT to have a female lead!). As for Manfred...it really depends on how it was set up, his assholeishness (I say it's a word!!) would have to have an off button for me to be able to stand a whole game with him (but he seemed to be ok in AAI, even though some of the dialogue forshadowed he was setting Edgeworth up for a fall, which pretty much defines asshole).
Ema and Gumshoe would be good choices as well. using all the forensics equipment would be AWESOME. And even though Gumshoe can't use Logic, I really think that's Edgey's gimmick anyway, so who says a new investigations game couldn't have something else! Because ya gotta admit, Gumshoe can be pretty badass sometimes.
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I would love to see Franziska develop more as a character. I think it would present a perfect oppertunity for Franziska to step out of Miles shadow. There is so much left untold with her that it would be completely plausable for her to take the leading role.
That and she's awesome!
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Awesome_Cravat wrote:
Franziska.
I would love to see Franziska develop more as a character. I think it would present a perfect oppertunity for Franziska to step out of Miles shadow. There is so much left untold with her that it would be completely plausable for her to take the leading role.
That and she's awesome!
I would love to see Franziska develop more as a character. I think it would present a perfect oppertunity for Franziska to step out of Miles shadow. There is so much left untold with her that it would be completely plausable for her to take the leading role.
That and she's awesome!
I so Agree with you! And besides, she didn't have luck in AAI. I mean she was all the time in Miles' shadow. Poor girl. Remember after AAI case 2, when she says that she's nothing but a "dancing pierrot" who is always losing to Miles, well, I'm sure she's suffering to be always behind him.
However, even though I'd rather have Fran as the main character in AAI 2, I have to say Klavier is interesting too. I mean he's the only prosecutor who is fighting for the truth in a trial since the beginning. It would be interesting to see his debut (with Daryan at his side).
If there is a game with Klavier, it has to be before AJ. And if there is a game with Fran, it has to be after AAI.
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before he went into a coma. Mia would still be learning the ropes with Diego as her mentor. Now THAT would be a game I would put my life savings towards.But a Franny game is another i would put my savings towards! She is my third favourite character and she was so much of her background that hasn't been told! I guess I'd be happy if it was a
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Well it doesn't have to be a prosecutor does it? Cuz I think,no,know that deserves her own game
deserves her own game Yeah, they should make a game from Mia, because now we hear that she's an awesome lawyer all the time but we only got to see 2 cases (of which one was a failure)
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My first thought is three/four cases as Klavier, and one/two as Kristoph, in the past. Playing as Kristoph has always been one of my (messed up) wishes.
Another one could be another Edgeworth game, where you play two past cases as Manfred/Franziska.
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I wouldn't mind a Klavier game though.
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My first thought is three/four cases as Klavier, and one/two as Kristoph, in the past. Playing as Kristoph has always been one of my (messed up) wishes.
This is one of the best ideas EVER!!!
It's perfect! And I totally agree...I love Kristoph. 
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PAYNE! Nah, I´m just kidding. I haven´t played Rise From The Ashes in years so I don´t remember if Lana Skye quit prosecuting but if she didn´t I would love to play as her. 
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