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Why do 85% of all fandoms suck?Topic%20Title
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This number is higher or lower depending on the fandom.

But in general, the vast majority of fandom--art, fiction, RP, flame wars, internet debates, etc...

...is really, really, shitty.

Why is this?
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Well, this is the INTERNET, so most people make sure that everyone knows their opinion about everything. Including their shitty fandom debates that nobody cares about.

Honestly, if you're in a 'fandom', why argue with the people who are into the same stuff as you. It makes no sense.
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rupan wrote:
Well, this is the INTERNET, so most people make sure that everyone knows their opinion about everything. Including their shitty fandom debates that nobody cares about.

Honestly, if you're in a 'fandom', why argue with the people who are into the same stuff as you. It makes no sense.


Amen, sister.
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Most of the time, I just think that a lot of people in fandom take themselves and the fandom waay too seriously. xP Other than that, it's a mystery. Other than that the internet seems to tend to make people seem stupider than what they really are.

Argh, I can't make that last sentence sound right. >_< Whatever, I'm sure you get my point.
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I've found something similar with online gaming communities: The more popular the game is, the more idiots there are present. This is amplified by whether myg0t is active in raging the community or not.

Case in point: Counter-Strike and Halo 2. It has more idiots in it than can possibly be imagined.

Perhaps fandoms work in a similar fashion. Like the Sonic and Harry Potter fandoms.

Of course, there's the case of smaller fandoms being REALLY shitty (can't think of any examples though)
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Redundant.
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Well, isn't that fandom is being about?
Fans are interested in things such as this and there's still gonna be a disagreement. People are gonna have different opinions, even within a fandom.
I'm more into watching console-fanboys biting each others' heads off so I wouldn't know what you'd want this sort of fandom to be like... Less n00bish?
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I'm more into watching console-fanboys biting each others' heads off


Same here!!! :karma:
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The anime fandom is really irritating thats for damn sure.
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The anime fandom is really irritating thats for damn sure.


I most defiantly agree.

What I cannot stand is people taking good animes and twist them around into porn in those fan-made comics...doujinshi to the elites.
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The anime fandom is really irritating thats for damn sure.


I vsit an anime fandom. Everyone there is all like "ZOMG ENGLISH DUB ANIME SUXX0RZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ELEVEN JPANEEZ ALL DA WAI YO HUR HUR HUR"

Okay, maybe I over exaggerated a little bit, but it's like if you try to introduce something new or give your honest opinion about something they burn you at the stake. They're also extremely close-minded about any dubbed anime, yet they have no problem with subbed anime. They always torrent everything because they're too lazy or poor to get their stuff legitimately. There's also a real snot-ball of a member who disses every movie he hates and calls it "Worst Movie Ever" (he gives that title out a lot).

I don't visit that place very often.
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I vsit an anime fandom. Everyone there is all like "ZOMG ENGLISH DUB ANIME SUXX0RZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ELEVEN JPANEEZ ALL DA WAI YO HUR HUR HUR"

Okay, maybe I over exaggerated a little bit, but it's like if you try to introduce something new or give your honest opinion about something they burn you at the stake. They're also extremely close-minded about any dubbed anime, yet they have no problem with subbed anime. They always torrent everything because they're too lazy or poor to get their stuff legitimately. There's also a real snot-ball of a member who disses every movie he hates and calls it "Worst Movie Ever" (he gives that title out a lot).


What forum or website is that?
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Come to think of it, the Fanthropology community on Livejournal has some interesting posts on the subject of quality of fanwork.

I think the biggest reason for the amount of "suck" in a fandom is the ease of posting. Prior to the Internet's widespread use, fandom was a small thing- maybe you and your small group of buddies and the occasional gathering at a convention. Fanfiction couldn't easily be put before the whole world, and to get published in a fanzine, it had to be pretty high in quality. Similar stuff as far as fanart goes. You needed to be good to get recognized, and have money to print a fanart book or fanzine or whatever.

I think the suck has always been there, but until the Net came along and gave people an easy (and cheap) way to post without regard for quality control, it just simply wasn't as noticeable.
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Why does 85% of this fandom suck?

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more like 97%
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Ah, wouldn't be able to tell you, given my experience in this particular fandom is currently limited. Probably the same reasons mentioned above- ease of posting, lack of quality control, and rampant fodder for a breed of fan best described as "the stereotypical scary rabid yaoi fangirl." (No offense to any yaoi/yuri fans that read this- I'm talking about the ones that run around conventions with those stupid "Yaoi paddles" and harass cosplayers to do yaoi poses and spank them with the paddles without permission.)

Additionally, so far as fanfiction goes, I think this franchise is unusually difficult to write good stories for. There's little material known about ANY of the characters beyond how they behave in a workplace environment, and even less about the backstories of any of the major characters that would serve as fodder for stories that deviate from the courtroom action of the games. And if one tries to stick to the canon and write new cases, they essentially have to write a good murder mystery, which can be extremely difficult. Doubly so in that a case in the PW-verse generally needs to look conclusively like it's going to go one way, and then flip it all topsy turvy to pin the crime on someone else.
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Teh Headbang & zuddha wrote:
WAAAAAAAAAAAH!

I wanted to say that for a long time. :nick:

Anyways, others have brang up a point that actually gets on my nerves.
I personally say that there's-hentai-for-everything concept is just getting ridiculous. For crying out loud, I can bet that there is some Tetris hentai flying around the Internet somewhere for that matter. And another thing, what's up with the OTP's around here?

:yuusaku: (Chinese Infantry) : Don't you dare go insult that...

:hobohodo2: (RevFirst) : ...Fine.

(Oh great, I just pointed out yet another one... and another one.)
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I can bet that there is some Tetris hentai flying around the Internet somewhere for that matter.


Not just Tetris hentai... Try some Tetris YAOI!=p

I think it's true that there's porn of anything and everything (hell, there's even badly written fanfiction about the Bible!), but while it's fun to occasionally make fun of, I just don't let it bug me.

Don't like, don't look. Saves me a world of headaches :edgy:
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Alright, we got Tetris Yaoi. Here's my next challenge: I want to see Yaoi from the following: Minesweeper, Solitaire and Pong.

As for OTPs, this ain't the only fandom with 'em, Rev.
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Kinda funny this topic, as I was just browsing this LiveJournal community today.

Anyway, I have a theory (because I am a Scientist): For every 5 people in a fandom, you'll get 4 people who are cool, and one person who is a complete, for lack of a better word, "lamer." In really big fandoms, say for example, a popular game or anime, the theory is reversed; For every 5 people in a big fandom, you get 4 people who are complete lamers, and one person who is actually cool.

Add this into account with how easy it is to flame another's opinion/preference, rather than actually exchanging thoughts. Rather than say "I disagree with your opinion." It's easier to go "ZOMG U SUX BCUZ UR (Personal opinion clashes with my personal opinion)!!11!one!!1shiftandone!" People think it's too much work to thoughtfully explain their views and just settle for 3rd grade insults. At least, that's my theory.

EDIT: Also, I figure I should ask now...What does "OTP" stand for?
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Alright, we got Tetris Yaoi. Here's my next challenge: I want to see Yaoi from the following: Minesweeper, Solitaire and Pong.

As for OTPs, this ain't the only fandom with 'em, Rev.


Well, I found an old discussion thread that talked about using Pong as a metaphor for life with an uncertain guy bouncing between two male partners...

Got nothing on Solitaire slash, but I recall running across some absolutely atrocious Minesweeper sex fics years ago :ack:
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I will write Solitaire slash. Also, Ama, if you believe this series is truly hard to write for you need to read my Grossberg/Topham Hatt slash.
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Macbeth wrote:
OMFG wrote:
The anime fandom is really irritating thats for damn sure.


I vsit an anime fandom. Everyone there is all like "ZOMG ENGLISH DUB ANIME SUXX0RZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ELEVEN JPANEEZ ALL DA WAI YO HUR HUR HUR"


This is also something that puts me at odds with Anime Fandom, too. I mean, they're so damn close minded it's not even worth attempting to explain this to them. Some English Dubs are done well (Full Metal Alchemist, for example), but I'm sure they don't care.

About time somebody starts agreeing with me.
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I vsit an anime fandom. Everyone there is all like "ZOMG ENGLISH DUB ANIME SUXX0RZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ELEVEN JPANEEZ ALL DA WAI YO HUR HUR HUR"

Okay, maybe I over exaggerated a little bit, but it's like if you try to introduce something new or give your honest opinion about something they burn you at the stake. They're also extremely close-minded about any dubbed anime, yet they have no problem with subbed anime. They always torrent everything because they're too lazy or poor to get their stuff legitimately. There's also a real snot-ball of a member who disses every movie he hates and calls it "Worst Movie Ever" (he gives that title out a lot).


What forum or website is that?


This place. I kinda drifted away from them over the years but I visit every so often. The member I was talking about...his username is Nny Homicidal Maniac. I don't mean any harm towards him but he acts like a real stuck-up jerk a lot of the time. Seriously, like 90% of the members there automatically assume every English dub anime sucks, which means they all lose any sort of credibility. I shrug it off though, so I guess I can't be too disdainful toward them, although from my experience they sometimes act like the stereotypical anime fanboy/girl. Don't tell anyone I said all of this or my ass is banned from that place.

Might you happen to be a member?
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I will write Solitaire slash.

I have created an art.

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Le solitaire non plus

   Black queen over red king, with finality;
   The product of their place, it was infidelity.   
   A young prince sprung forth from the pair;
   Pink ribbons hung woven through his hair.
05 Young red prince, looks his father's twin;
   Drawn not to mince but plays violin.
   Unfortunate spawn of unfortunate cause;
   Was drawn to men in spite of the laws.
   Black knave, come from across the ocean;
10 The hope he gave for young Red's emotion!
   Two were as one, never more delighted;
   To think of the fun which made them excited!
   Life as a flower, brilliant in hue;
   And, filled with power, their love only grew.
15 Then one day the black was violently plucked;
   The unfortunate jack in chains for his conduct.
   Taken away to another man's castles;
   As had befallen all other young vassals.
   From a separate column, they can only stare;
20 But their looks are solemn and feeling still there.
   Trapped at arms' length apart from their lover;
   Their inner strength lets them discover;
   It's not about drums and what he can do;
   It's not what comes of just being true;
25 It's that love is a dove and there's nothing to lose.

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Given I don't read PW slash, Zu, I'll have to politely decline. But that Solitaire slash is pure WIN. :gant:

As for anime fandom... that's a difficult bunch to lump into a single group like that. You've got your die-hard Japanophiles (the ones that are "DUBS R TEH EVIIIL!!1shiftone!), you've got the raging perverts ("OMG TEH UNDERAGE BUTTSECKS! <3"), the "Cartoon Network Otaku" ("OMG DBZ IS TEH BESTEST ANIME EVAR!" .... or would Bleach and Naruto apply to that label now?), and so on.

Then there are the sane fans. In most cases, I prefer the subtitled version, but there are some dubs out there that I like a lot. I don't torrent anything, I buy DVDs, or queue them on my Netflix is it's a series I just want to check out rather than invest money in.

Overall, I blame the "suck" in many fandoms on the simple fact that stupidity is the most common element in the universe.
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But that Solitaire slash is pure WIN.

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Teh Headbang wrote:
Why does 85% of this fandom suck?

Fixed.

Well played, good sir. 8D
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People have more enemies in fandom rather than anything else.
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It's funny that as a general fan community brought together by the same thing, many people are so hostile and unneighborly towards each other. Not to mention that they argue over the most trivial things, bring up the most subjective of topics, in some cases make polls for even the most minor details, and act like know-it-alls when they're really just jumping to the stereotypical "the opposite must always be right" conclusion.
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Chinese Infantry wrote:
Alright, we got Tetris Yaoi. Here's my next challenge: I want to see Yaoi from the following: Minesweeper, Solitaire and Pong.


...actually, me and my friend once found a yuri solitaire fic on fanfiction.net o____O;; It was about a queen card that was in love with another queen card and involved masturbation D: Most disturbing thing I've ever read considering that they're small bits of paper.

I can't help but wonder why there's even fanfiction of solitaire and Pong to begin with o.O
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Maybe it's cos the smart people play the games and have social lives.....they dont come on the net and talk to people across the world about them, they talk to their friends.....catch my drift?
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Macbeth wrote:
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I vsit an anime fandom. Everyone there is all like "ZOMG ENGLISH DUB ANIME SUXX0RZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ELEVEN JPANEEZ ALL DA WAI YO HUR HUR HUR"

Okay, maybe I over exaggerated a little bit, but it's like if you try to introduce something new or give your honest opinion about something they burn you at the stake. They're also extremely close-minded about any dubbed anime, yet they have no problem with subbed anime. They always torrent everything because they're too lazy or poor to get their stuff legitimately. There's also a real snot-ball of a member who disses every movie he hates and calls it "Worst Movie Ever" (he gives that title out a lot).


What forum or website is that?


This place. I kinda drifted away from them over the years but I visit every so often. The member I was talking about...his username is Nny Homicidal Maniac. I don't mean any harm towards him but he acts like a real stuck-up jerk a lot of the time. Seriously, like 90% of the members there automatically assume every English dub anime sucks, which means they all lose any sort of credibility. I shrug it off though, so I guess I can't be too disdainful toward them, although from my experience they sometimes act like the stereotypical anime fanboy/girl. Don't tell anyone I said all of this or my ass is banned from that place.

Might you happen to be a member?


No, I am not a member, thank goodness. I have never seen such close-minded people in my life. It appears they hate everything.

Don't worry, I will make sure they won't ban you or everyone from Court Records will join together and invade that site like crazy. :karma:
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Macbeth wrote:
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This place. I kinda drifted away from them over the years but I visit every so often. The member I was talking about...his username is Nny Homicidal Maniac. I don't mean any harm towards him but he acts like a real stuck-up jerk a lot of the time. Seriously, like 90% of the members there automatically assume every English dub anime sucks, which means they all lose any sort of credibility. I shrug it off though, so I guess I can't be too disdainful toward them, although from my experience they sometimes act like the stereotypical anime fanboy/girl. Don't tell anyone I said all of this or my ass is banned from that place.

Might you happen to be a member?


No, I am not a member, thank goodness. I have never seen such close-minded people in my life. It appears they hate everything.

Don't worry, I will make sure they won't ban you or everyone from Court Records will join together and invade that site like crazy. :karma:



Dear lord.

Though they seem way better than the fags on Gaia, seriously.

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die-hard Japanophiles


You got your terms mixed up, you mean weaboo, Japanophiles actually enjoy every aspect of the culture instead of just anime, manga and music. They actually take the time to learn the language and they don't go yelling random Japanese words at you.
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Huh, I think that's a more regional difference in the slang then. Japanophile and weaboo are practically identical on Espernet and in the Los Angeles area. The only real difference between them in this area are that the "Japanophiles" tend to be psuedo-intellectuals about the language and culture and history (as opposed to actual intellectuals), while the weaboos are shouting random Japanese and just haven't got to the psuedo-intellectual phase yet.

Come to think of it, Japanophile tends to be the blanket term out here for it- weaboo has only recently started to come into any usage.
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The larger a fandom; the more nuances there are to argue about and create strife with. Stupid user behavior instills a positive feedback loop... I could start a stupidity-laden flame war with one idiotic comment, but (had I no mod powers) I would not even have the slightest ability to stop a flame war with one intelligent construct. Idiocy increases with the square of userbase and the square of popularity... and since those go hand in hand, the "suckiness" of any given fandom balances on a knife's edge.

As for this fandom, I can moan about how much more civil the Court Records forums were a year ago, when there was around 150-200 active users, but I was expecting this to happen. Once it was established that more than one AA game would be brought to America, it was obvious that there was no way of stopping the explosion of the fanbase and the idiocy feedback-loop that continues to malestrom right now. I merely shrug, laugh and ride the waves.

...

Hell, even what I said above is rather stupid and rambling. See what I mean?
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Re: Why do 85% of all fandoms suck?Topic%20Title
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I had no idea the current Court Records forum sucked. To be honest, it's one of the few places I visit that has a mature atmosphere about it.
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Re: Why do 85% of all fandoms suck?Topic%20Title
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Likewise, but then PW is still a smaller fandom than most I'm involved in.

I've seen very little here that I would call particularly fandom wanky, but my perception is most definitely skewed as a veteran of the Gundam Wing yaoi/non-yaoi flamewars of years past, and as a... shall I say "active target" in the Danny Phantom fandom right now. Compared to those, this place is a haven of maturity and tolerance. Compared to the Boktai fandom, on the other hand, this place is a friggin' warzone.

But then, Gundam Wing had a huge fan following at the height of its flamewars, Danny Phantom has a fairly large following (coupled with some unique circumstances that have propelled the suckage to unusual heights for its size), and Boktai has a microscopic fandom.

Average age probably plays a factor, too. Stuff like Gundam or Danny Phantom attract a lot of younger fans- little kids or hormonal teenagers, and that probably increases the amount of suck with herds of drama llamas roaming freely. Something like PW is a bit more... okay, "intellectual" isn't quite the right word for it, but it seems to be the sort of thing that tends to draw in older teens and 20-somethings instead. It's not the sort of franchise that generally satisfies the instant gratification mindset younger teens and kids often have. So that probably pulls down the suck factor a little bit.
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