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I'm contemplating getting Tales of Zestiria and/or Berseria.
How good are the games? In particular, Zestiria's battle-system. (I'm assuming Berseria's is a refined/enhanced version of it) I recall seeing several boss battle videos that looked fun enough, but also reading about some huge issues with the battle system? How good is the English voice acting in either game? Is there an option for Japanes voices - even if it may be DLC? (I only ever looked at the Japanese PSN items for Zesteria)

And, if I were to forego Zestiria and play Berseria first, how confused would I be?

Spoiler: Berseria Spoiler?
I know it's a prequel to Zestiria.


Do I sort of HAVE to play Zestiria first to 'get' Berseria or is this a case where, if I read up some good info on the terms and world of the game, I can play just fine? (For example, I played Xillia 2 first. Some terms like Schism or that Plan from the first game confused me, until I played Xillia myself, but could still be enjoyed enough, without feeling too lost)

Also, for Zesteria and Berseria, I already know some spoilers, so... it's not like I'm completely 'blind' for the games. (One of the spoilers can be blamed on the PSN DLC items. WTH, Namco. You trying to pull a Pretty Cure?)

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I'm contemplating getting Tales of Zestiria and/or Berseria.
How good are the games? In particular, Zestiria's battle-system. (I'm assuming Berseria's is a refined/enhanced version of it) I recall seeing several boss battle videos that looked fun enough, but also reading about some huge issues with the battle system? How good is the English voice acting in either game? Is there an option for Japanes voices - even if it may be DLC? (I only ever looked at the Japanese PSN items for Zesteria)

And, if I were to forego Zestiria and play Berseria first, how confused would I be?

Spoiler: Berseria Spoiler?
I know it's a prequel to Zestiria.


Do I sort of HAVE to play Zestiria first to 'get' Berseria or is this a case where, if I read up some good info on the terms and world of the game, I can play just fine? (For example, I played Xillia 2 first. Some terms like Schism or that Plan from the first game confused me, until I played Xillia myself, but could still be enjoyed enough, without feeling too lost)

Also, for Zesteria and Berseria, I already know some spoilers, so... it's not like I'm completely 'blind' for the games. (One of the spoilers can be blamed on the PSN DLC items. WTH, Namco. You trying to pull a Pretty Cure?)

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I mentioned my thoughts on Zestiria's gameplay and story. The tl;dr is that Graces did the battle system better, and the story isn't anything interesting, but it's still superior to the trainwreck that is the plot of the anime. Aside from that, Zestiria's characters just aren't fun to play as.

PS3 Berseria is Japan only. The PS4 and PC versions both have dual audio without the requirement for DLC. But aside from the child characters, a few minor characters, and Magilou's battle quotes, I'd say Berseria had the best English cast in a Tales game to date. That said, play it in Japanese anyways, because there is one character in the English dub that is universally agreed to have the most annoying voice in the series, and no one who used Japanese audio had any problems with them. There are a couple of noticeable typos in the English subtitles, especially during the endgame sidqeuests.

You can play Berseria without playing Zestiria and understand what's going on, but there are one or two plot moments that only really make sense if you've played Zestiria, and a few more that have additional meaning.

As for Berseria itself, I overall enjoyed my time with it, more so than Xillia and especially Zestiria, but I can't deny its flaws. The new control scheme requires some getting used to, The combat can swing between fun and frustrating depending on your luck with critical hits. The equipment system is weird, in that sometimes one item for a specific gear slot will increase only your defense, and the next item for that slot you find will only increase your arte attack. There's a system similar to Kitty Dispatch in Xillia 2, but since it operates on a 30 minute timer as opposed to 15 minutes in Xillia 2, it's easy to forget about. The last batch of sidequests before the very definitely absolute final dungeon don't always have an obvious indicators to finding the next step, and will require that you jump from city to city hoping you find an exclamation mark. And again, the dungeon designs suuuuck.

Story was... mostly good. It's nothing wholly original, but it's unique for the franchise. Just accept that you are not playing as the good guys. I did have a few problems with pacing, especially in the second third of the game. Also, you may notice some... superficial similarities between the party members and those of another JRPG that just happens to have a female protagonist.

Last, and least (or most, depending on who you ask), Velvet's belt fetish outfit and Magilou's book skirt. Velvet has her generic villager clothes unlocked from near the start, and I used that for the entirety of the game. Magilou doesn't have any such alternative in game, though she does get Arche's outfit as paid DLC, but that's not available as an individual purchase, instead requiring a costume bundle.

There's probably a lot more that I'm forgetting.
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If I had to come down on one side or the other, I'd say to skip Zestiria. I thought the battle system was fun (although I was playing with a friend), and the characters had fun interactions, but the battle system had a bit too much going on and the characters and plot were flat. It's entertaining, but just not worth the dozens of hours it requires.
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Also, you may notice some... superficial similarities between the party members and those of another JRPG that just happens to have a female protagonist.


I have no idea what JRPG you may be referring to. Then again, most characters end up reminding me of other characters.

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Velvet's belt fetish outfit and Magilou's book skirt. Velvet has her generic villager clothes unlocked from near the start, and I used that for the entirety of the game. Magilou doesn't have any such alternative in game, though she does get Arche's outfit as paid DLC, but that's not available as an individual purchase, instead requiring a costume bundle.


I love Arche! Depending on what the other costumes are, I might get them.
But how many outfits do the characters have available to unlock without getting into DLC? Like, only two or three or is it like Xillia, where Milla and Jude got post-their-route outfits; with two outfits in total to unlock via sidequests, but the rest is nothing but DLC?

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If I had to come down on one side or the other, I'd say to skip Zestiria. I thought the battle system was fun (although I was playing with a friend), and the characters had fun interactions, but the battle system had a bit too much going on and the characters and plot were flat. It's entertaining, but just not worth the dozens of hours it requires.


I looked at a store today and saw that Zestiria on either console, and Berseria, both cost pretty much the same. Since Berseria seems to expand on... the Malicious? Or whatever it was called, who technically has a more important role in Zestiria, it might be good to play Berseria first. I ended up looking a bit into things and saw that, outside of Alisha and the Sheperd, your party consists of nothing but Seraphs in Zestiria...

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Eh, doesn't bother me. I mean, a good part of Tales of the Abyss has me let the party do things that cause more damage than fix things.

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But how many outfits do the characters have available to unlock without getting into DLC?


Each character has a jacketless version of their current outfit, usually unlocked by viewing certain side events, a pallette swap unlocked at the end of their specific sidequest, a waiter outfit unlocked from the waiter minigame, Normin outfits (the sentient plush toys) unlocked from the minigame that tests your damage per second, winter outfits which can be purchased for grade in the secret endgame village, and a towel obtained in the bonus dungeon which I implore you to ignore. The rest is DLC.

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seems to expand on... the Malicious? Or whatever it was called

Malevolence. I just call it Darkness.
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and a towel obtained in the bonus dungeon which I implore you to ignore.


The towel outfit or the dungeon? :kristoph:

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The towel outfit or the dungeon? :kristoph:

Yes.
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I looked at a store today and saw that Zestiria on either console, and Berseria, both cost pretty much the same. Since Berseria seems to expand on... the Malicious? Or whatever it was called, who technically has a more important role in Zestiria, it might be good to play Berseria first. I ended up looking a bit into things and saw that, outside of Alisha and the Sheperd, your party consists of nothing but Seraphs in Zestiria...

*Rose (c'mon, it's waaaaay too late for that meme, CM)

Yeah, your party is 2 humans and 4 seraphs (1 of each element), and the active party is always the 2 humans and then 2 of the seraphs. You can freely switch the seraphs during combat, and they recover health when inactive. It's all part of the combat system.
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Totally forgot about Rose.

I got Berseria and played about an hour into it. I think my main gripe right now is that the beginning, before something 'really happens' took a smidgeon too long. Even if it wasn't really that long, it felt like it... also, Scarlet Night. Reminds me of Blood Moons from Breath of the Wild.

Spoiler: Early Berseria Spoilers
At least, I escaped the prison.

You know, I figured Arthur would turn out to be a 'bad guy', but I kinda wish he hadn't. (At least, not turned into the Well-Intentioned Extremist) He's the protagonist's brother-in-law, that's not a relationship seen often in videogames amongst party members.

Plot Kid is dead. Yeah... I'd care about Laphicet's death if he were something OTHER than a simple Plot Device.


Also, please, can someone tell me if Magilou gets better anytime soon? She bugs me.

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PS: I saw I could download a free catalog from the DLC menu! Like, any of the five shown so far. None of them seem that awesome to me, beyond the Tales outfits. But that's, you know, because it contains Natalia and Arche.

PPS: I totally ship Velvet and Niko.
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also, Scarlet Night. Reminds me of Blood Moons from Breath of the Wild.

I can feel my eye twitching at the mere mention of Blood Moons.
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Spoiler: Early Berseria Spoilers
You know, I figured Arthur would turn out to be a 'bad guy', but I kinda wish he hadn't. (At least, not turned into the Well-Intentioned Extremist) He's the protagonist's brother-in-law, that's not a relationship seen often in videogames amongst party members.

Spoiler: nothing past what you've seen
Artorius being a Well-Intentioned Extremist who kills Plot Kid was shown off in the second trailer.

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Also, please, can someone tell me if Magilou gets better anytime soon? She bugs me.

If you are annoyed by Magilou, that's normal. Magilou wants you to be annoyed.

I did find her more tolerable once she actually joins the party and starts pulling her weight. Before that, I kept wondering why Velvet didn't just claw her eyes out.
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Spoiler: Big Berseria Spoiler
You know, the big revelation for Velvet was that her brother's death was not a full murder, but a willing sacrifice on his part... how can she see what went on and NOT consider it to have been a willing sacrifice? It's so obvious.


Oscar and Theresa have a... weird... um, 'vibe'... to their interactions.

You know what I would like to see in the type of protagonist that has become jaded after years of imprisonment/torture? For them to retain their humor. Heck, I wouldn't mind if they ended up being the sadistic-bastard-loves-to-cause-pain type of character. It would be entertaining to see. Nothing against Velvet, so far, just... her lack of humor is a bit... well, meh.
It leads to her and Rokurou not having that much of an interesting dynamic between them - which is why I hope I get a third party member soon.

Spoiler: Seles
Am I weird in having this feeling that Seles is Celica, but turned into a spirit/malak? I mean, not that it matters now, given that she died to give me the sorcerer ring, but... it just felt that way.


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I'm in... uh, where am I right now? I just entered... ah, the capital, Loerges.
So far, I think my main issue is... the world in Berseria seems pretty... lacking? Boring? I'm not sure how to say this. The NPCs often talk about how much more peaceful life is after the Advent - I'll take their word for it, since all I have to go on for how the world was prior to that is the opening cinematic (which basically meant "Blood Moon + lots of dangerous monster noises") and what little I saw in the prologue (which at least showed me some of the monsters). I don't know the terror they experienced, nor do I feel like a good chunk of the world comes across as peaceful now. Probably because most of that stage-between-alterations was skipped.

I kind of want this Scarlet Night world. Maybe this has to do with playing Berseria first and not Zestiria, so maybe that game has a better explanation on what went on earlier? I doubt it, but it might make more sense...

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I kind of want this Scarlet Night world. Maybe this has to do with playing Berseria first and not Zestiria, so maybe that game has a better explanation on what went on earlier? I doubt it, but it might make more sense...

From Zestiria's POV, Berseria is "what happened earlier" :sahwit:
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I kind of want this Scarlet Night world. Maybe this has to do with playing Berseria first and not Zestiria, so maybe that game has a better explanation on what went on earlier? I doubt it, but it might make more sense...

From Zestiria's POV, Berseria is "what happened earlier" :sahwit:


I meant that Zestiria might explain better why Scarlet Nights happened, what they are and how and who and so on.

I'm doing those dumb 'sidequests' I have to do, before gaining the info I want from the shadow guild... I'm pretty sure I'm still very early into the game, but it feels like nothing has been happening. At least, nothing that seems really important. It just feels like Velvet is rushing towards Artorius, yet when there's a chance to encounter him, "No. I need a sword of reason and will to fight him". For someone who was just all about rushing at and killing him, she certainly changed her disposition.

Pretty sure I have clocked almost 10 hours into this game and my party is below level 15. From the (boss) battles I've seen so far, that seems to be on-par with what's going on. But it feels so low. Including the EXP I am getting from regular battles.

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PS: Velvet is an idiot. Eleanor needs to join my party already. And I read that the 'Advent' cutscene was altered for the western release.
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I kind of want this Scarlet Night world. Maybe this has to do with playing Berseria first and not Zestiria, so maybe that game has a better explanation on what went on earlier? I doubt it, but it might make more sense...

Before the prologue, very few people could see malaks or daemons, so if someone transformed, all anyone would see is that person moving erratically while claw marks appear out of nowhere. If daemons attacked a ship, people would just see someone getting dragged off by an invisible hand. In the present, the Abbey has made use of malaks to fight daemons and made themselves the official police/military/bodyguard hybrid of the world.

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I'm pretty sure I'm still very early into the game, but it feels like nothing has been happening. At least, nothing that seems really important.

Get used to that. Things will happen once you get past that part, and then things slow down. Rinse and repeat.

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And I read that the 'Advent' cutscene was altered for the western release.

Here's what the west got to see instead.
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Supposedly this is less graphic than the original, and prevents the game from getting an 18+ rating in Europe. Especially since this series has never shown a child getting stabbed before.

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And I read that the 'Advent' cutscene was altered for the western release.

Here's what the west got to see instead.
Spoiler:
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Supposedly this is less graphic than the original, and prevents the game from getting an 18+ rating in Europe. Especially since this series has never shown a child getting stabbed before.


Spoiler: Japanese Advent Cutscene
Apparently, you do get to see Laphicet actually getting stabbed by Arthur's sword... which makes it more... iconic/ironic that Velvet stabs him back with his own sword, later? Though, until I read it, I didn't realize that Arthur hacked off Velvet's arm in the cutscene! If anything, I thought he might have stabbed at her hand.


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In the present, the Abbey has made use of malaks to fight daemons and made themselves the official police/military/bodyguard hybrid of the world.


So, Scarlet Night is just what it got called 10 years ago, when people are now able to see daemons?

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Rinse and repeat.


Oh, boy. Does Zesteria have this problem, too?

Speaking of Arthur...
Arthur: Why do birds fly?
Because they fucking CAN, Arthur! :ron:

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Oh, boy. Does Zesteria have this problem, too?

Zestiria by itself succeeded in making me feel absolutely nothing throughout the whole story, except for the presentation surrounding one boss fight. Then the anime adaptation came out and I realized it's not as bad as it could have been.
Spoiler: spoilery anime stuff
People called Sorey another generic goody-two-shoes archetype, and while I agreed at first, he does have an arc. He starts out idealistic, taking up the role of Shepard without really questioning it. At first, he does what he needs to, before he gets his ass handed to him by Heldalf. From there, the story shifts to the trials, and while people call those filler, they're important for Sorey's arc. Each one has him forced to look at his own morals in a new light. This all culminates when he decides that Heldalf is beyond saving, that he has to kill him to reduce the burden on the world, and that his comrades may not make it through the fight.

Compare this to the anime where Sorey just does stuff and succeeds without much effort. So riveting.

Oh, but it gets worse. Somewhere on this thread I complained about how the Eizen subplot was handled. At first, the anime tries to fix it by having Sorey actually ask someone about purifying dragons. This improvement is followed several episodes later with Sorey purifying a dragon. How did he do it? "Because no one ever bothered trying to." Bullshit, all he did was stand there and hold his sword real firm, reducing the need for an actual fight scene during the part that everyone was looking forward to. Not to mention Berseria confirms that dragons can't be purified. And after all this, he still didn't purify Eizen. He just does his thing at the end, and completely forgets about him.

Oh, but the worst part, the worst part can be summed up in two words: Alisha Diphda. I get that some fans were disappointed that Alisha's role wasn't as big as it could have been in the game. So , the anime tried to give more focus to Alisha, and at first, people really liked it. Then there was a backlash, "Too much Alisha!" they said. She almost had more screentime than Sorey, and ultimately she's the reason I assume that anime Sorey lacked any semblance of an arc.

Sorry, this just turned into a rant about the anime.

And before I forget, as soon as you get access to ship travel, make sure to head for the first Class 4 Island. You get an item that unlocks shortcut artes.
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By ship travel you mean the expeditions or... actually being able to traverse the world without being restricted?

So, Magilou finally joined my party. Horray. She still seems kind of anoying... I was hoping Eleanor would join shortly after, too, but guess I'll have to wait. Benifu bugs me, now, too.

Spoiler: The Protagonists Are 'Monsters'
You know, how convenient that the party was sent to murder this guy in cold blood, but before they could do it, he not only turned into a demon, but was also killed by a griphon. The deed is done, but not by their hands. Come on, if I'm supposed to believe that my party is nothing but monsters, SHOW me and have them DO things that actually mean doing horrible things! As it is, Velvet seems to have only eaten demons while imprisoned to stay alive; Rokurou..... I don't know what he's done bad, so far. The rest seem... pointless and not-at-all-bad.


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The second one.

Spoiler: well, so far Velvet has
escaped from prison by using the other prisoners as meat shields, destroyed the port of a town that survives on trade alone, kidnapped a child and made him her obedient soldier, absolutely demolished a key defensive point, and destroyed a shipment of medicine. Yes, it's addictive, but it still worked. Not to mention she is literally feeding off of the souls of her enemies to get stronger. Also Rokurou killed a guy because he held his sword a certain way and Eizen probably did pirate things.

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I was at the point of leaving Islegand and heading for Southgand, but getting sidetracked because of plot-illness. When do I get to the point where Velvet actually begins to undergo character development? Her demeanor bugs me a bit because she comes off as more talk than walk. "If you annoy me, I'll eat you", then do so, Velvet! Just eat Magilou. She's more tolerable once she actually joins your party, but I still don't like to hear a word from her. Skits that involve her feel so... unnecessarily stretched long.

When I heard Shigure talk (I play with Japanese voices... of course), I was so confused because I knew it. Couldn't place it, though. Looked him up - Kazuya Nakai. He's Wakka from Final Fantasy X. And Shiba from TokiMemo Girl's Side 2. Morghim is awesome. Because she's a cat.

I also played a tiny bit of Zestiria before initializing my PS4. Hearing Sorey's name in Japanese confuses me a bit. But I did get the Idolm@ster outfits for the girls because... well, I like those outfits. Though why does Alisha get the chance to wear Rose's Haruka outfit, too, if her own is Chihaya? Does this mean that the two Seraph women can wear each other's outfits, too?

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Pretty sure the line was "If you get in my way, I'll eat you." If Velvet ate everyone who annoyed her, she'd have been preparing Steamed Rokurou by the six hour mark. Still, if you're at that part of the story, then Velvet should have at least started to grow a sense of humor.

Rose can wear Alisha's outfits so people don't feel cheated that they purchased outfits for someone who exits the plot before the game is a third over. The two seraph women can't wear each other's outfits.
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Pretty sure the line was "If you get in my way, I'll eat you." If Velvet ate everyone who annoyed her, she'd have been preparing Steamed Rokurou by the six hour mark. Still, if you're at that part of the story, then Velvet should have at least started to grow a sense of humor.


She has warmed up a bit, especially towards Laphicet - who I wish would get rid of that butt-ugly, black collar. But I meant more...

Spoiler: Velvet Spoiler
The shock she gets when learning the truth of Laphi's death and Laphicet pulling her out of her deep hole, leaving her open to actually deal with the stuff she's done by now.


Speaking of Velvet, I think she bugs me because the stuff you mentioned earlier - of the bad things she's done - is not that big. I mean, everything she does has long-term consequences or ones that aren't shown. The worst she has done was her actions during the Advent and you can easily claim that was based on pure rage fueling her and not knowing what she was actually attacking.

Spoiler: Velvet's Actions
We never see the prisoners she gave the option to riot really dying; it's mostly implied that they all get overpowered and killed. Hellawes kind of brought it upon themselves - as Dyle says, their little smuggling ring was obvious and successful, so the Abbey was bound to find out; that's what they get for greed - and they can export/import other stuff. The fortress Voltigern doesn't appear to be that badly damaged; it can be fixed.


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Rose can wear Alisha's outfits so people don't feel cheated that they purchased outfits for someone who exits the plot before the game is a third over. The two seraph women can't wear each other's outfits.


Awww, why can't I put the whitehaired one in the orange outfit? Also, what?

Spoiler: Rose?
Does Rose die? I know Denzel does - and gets replaced by Zaveid - but Rose?


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PS: I also read a bit about what happens in the bonus dungeon/getting the towel costumes... that's really dumb.
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Awww, why can't I put the whitehaired one in the orange outfit? Also, what?

Spoiler: Rose?
Does Rose die? I know Denzel does - and gets replaced by Zaveid - but Rose?

Given that the whitehaired one is at least twice the height of the other one, it's probably a good idea that they can't share outfits.

And I meant more that
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Alisha leaves the party for reasons, then Rose joins and becomes a permanent party member while Alisha shows up sometimes.

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Of course. The Im@s girl I like the most is the one whose costume will be the least seen...

Since initializing my PS4 resulted in losing my file, I had to restart Berseria. Whatever; I wasn't that far along - I can tell now, since I am getting close to where I originally left off. I'm playing on Moderate now and Velvet in her villager attire... it's so weird to see her in all-black in cutscenes and thinking, "Who is that? Oh. Right. Velvet." I also learned the horror and terror that is Pixie enemies.

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PS: By now, I am just about to enter Haria. And, so far, my favorite character is Eleanor. And spirit Laphicet, because he's just so cute. Kind of wish you could remove the headband of Eleanor's Natalia outfit, but... minor. I did get the pirate outfits, but I don't know if I should get the menageria clothes or the Im@s ones. Velvet's Im@s outfit is cool; I like the Menageria outfits, but I don't really care for the Japanese or 'fairy/Alice in Wonderland' attire. (Yes, Velvet has breasts. Do we HAVE to give her an absolute cleavage? It's not like I've seen prettier boobs before.)
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