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Re: Dangan-RonpaTopic%20Title
OfflineAce Attorney Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:04 pm
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Southern Corn wrote:
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Spoiler: Chapter 2
There is a back route option where Shuichi says that he worked out with Kaito on the night of the murder and heard Maki talking with someone, and Kaito manages to not ruin the lie by catching on and corroborating it. And this does not result in someone outright saying "nah, here's the real evidence" like it did in chapter 1.


Spoiler: Also Chapter 2
Wait, THAT'S the back route? That's what I thought I was supposed to do! So is there a way to bypass that debate without lying?



Spoiler: Chapter 2
Oops, I misremembered. That wasn't part of the back route, that was required. I forgot that the first back route was actually in the first debate, where you could claim there was no trick at all, and then the second back route expanded on the lie that you were required to do. I think the first back route kind of ended up with someone else bringing the argument back on track though. So back routes are kind of weird, since they don't seem to go anywhere. I guess the idea is that you can act like how the other characters do sometimes by bringing up incorrect things?

The fact that the example I gave isn't a back route doesn't really change my argument though, where successful perjury can have the purpose of moving things along when there is a sticky point that can't be proven. Also that Shuichi is really good at coming up with convincing lies on the spot, wherever they fit.


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Re: Dangan-RonpaTopic%20Title
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Spoiler: @SC and spoilers for V3 CH3
Well, we’ll see about that. I mean, while it claims to be a reboot, Monokuma vaguely references previous games when there are similarities, such as the katana with the sticky gold coating in Chapter 3.

Spoiler: Chapter 1 and Perjury
When I was spoiled on Kaede’s death, I thought you would use the lying mechanic as a way to defend yourself. I haven’t finished the game yet, so the game might do something new with lying.

Perjury replaces Flashbacks from previous games, in which you use a phrase as a Truth Bullet. Both are used when you have no evidence to use in the debate, so I don’t mind Flashbacks being replaced with Perjuries. It’s just harder to figure out where to use them. Plus, the Backroutes incentivize another playthrough.

Edit: @blahmoomoo - From what I remember from the game’s description of Backroutes, it sounds like you can use them to skip segments of the trial. I haven’t used one yet so I don’t know.
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Re: Dangan-RonpaTopic%20Title
OfflineAce Attorney Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:25 pm
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I have done every back route so far so I won't have to replay cases to see them (also, it seems very difficult to guess where these are, so this is the only thing I am using a guide for). Compared to the normal route, so far it's just been a matter of someone doubting you, bringing up what you would have said in the normal route anyway, and proceeding as normal from there. Nothing has been skipped so far.

I hope it will do something more later in the game, because so far it's just been me laughing at how pointless the lies are when there is a normal route forward in those circumstances. Regular perjury is good though, at least as long as it continues to remain clear when it is necessary like it was most of the time with flashbacks.
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Re: Dangan-RonpaTopic%20Title
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I’m at the very start of case 5 and I hate to be this negative, but the cases are even more of a disaster than by normal Danganronpa standards. So... many... plotholes! I’ve always been more of a mild fan of this series, so I don’t think I will be picking up the next game unless what remains of V3 really impress me. It’s really too bad, because it has some aspects I like quite a lot
Spoiler: case 1
I like Shuichi as a protagonist
and certain aspects of the plot are pretty cool. Ahh, I should probably find another mystery game series to play...
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Re: Dangan-RonpaTopic%20Title
OfflineAce Attorney Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:28 pm
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Hey, you put a pretty big spoiler out in the open there...
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Re: Dangan-RonpaTopic%20Title
OfflineDecisive Witness Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:56 pm
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blahmoomoo wrote:
Hey, you put a pretty big spoiler out in the open there...

Ah, my bad! I didn’t even think about that since it happens so early, I nearly forgot people didn’t know.
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Re: Dangan-RonpaTopic%20Title
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Tip: Whenever you can use a Perjury it has a special soundtrack. The regular -BREAK- in this game is without vocals, but if you can use a Perjury it's V3's -BREAK- but with vocals on it.

Perjury version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfVf0RiJP2s
Regular version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7Gnn0fGEW0

It's a cheap way to figure it out but lolmeta.

There are a *few* exceptions, like in Case 5 iirc, but this is mostly consistent as far as I know.

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Re: Dangan-RonpaTopic%20Title
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Thanks a lot! I’ll keep this in mind.
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Re: Dangan-RonpaTopic%20Title
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Finished up V3 completely last week. Just been busy recently to mention it. The ending to the game was pretty crazy. Something I didn't expect to completely happen. I loved it honestly because it gave me one of the things I love.

Spoiler: DRV3 CH6+Ending
Which is 4th wall breaking, and they did it very well. From the whole concept of how everything is completely fiction, and how they all just video games pleasing us with the killing games. Was cool when Tsumugi cycled through all the characters from DR 1 and 2. I wonder though if there is still a possibility for more DR with the way the Epilogue ended.
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Re: Dangan-RonpaTopic%20Title
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Apollon wrote:
I’m at the very start of case 5 and I hate to be this negative, but the cases are even more of a disaster than by normal Danganronpa standards. So... many... plotholes! I’ve always been more of a mild fan of this series, so I don’t think I will be picking up the next game unless what remains of V3 really impress me. It’s really too bad, because it has some aspects I like quite a lot
Spoiler: case 1
I like Shuichi as a protagonist
and certain aspects of the plot are pretty cool. Ahh, I should probably find another mystery game series to play...

Personally I think it's better than DR2 but I haven't been having quite as much fun as the original DR.
Spoiler: DR1,SDR2 and v3
Yeah, DR1 had pretty shoddy mysteries, but at least there was a sense of enjoyment to it and there were still a few things to be surprised by. DR2 just repeated the same twists of DR1's cases, which is why the middlegame (2,3,4) was so dull. Just the same stuff being repeated. V3, while I dislike its third and fourth cases, at least the first two were pretty strong and even 3 and 4 had a unique premise to it unlike DR2.


Anyway, I'm on chapter 5. Saved before the trial.
Spoiler: V3 Chapter 5
'Reboot not connected to any of the other games' my ass
I hope there isn't any spoilers for the DR3 anime here though. For those who've finished the game, are there any spoilers for the anime?

Anyway I've stumbled upon a revelation. My theory about the world being fake is starting to sound even truer but if DR1 and 2 events have taken place in this world... Yeah. I think they're going for the same twist as DR2 but on a whole 'nother level. Pretty disappointed tbh

Anyway victim's probably going to be Kokichi and Kaito probably killed him see ya

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Re: Dangan-RonpaTopic%20Title
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^ there might be one thing that you might consider a small spoiler but it's not a big deal. doesn't spoil DR3's shitty story or shitty characters iirc.
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This. In fact, I'd rather have found this plot point out through v3 than sitting through that crap anime like I did.
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Spoiler: Chapter 4
Now all my favourite characters are dead.

Chapter 4 keeps with DR tradition in that the strongest character dies. I thought K1B0 was going to be the killer. At least Gonta wasn’t one of those characters that was hiding behind a façade, but a killer who forgot he was a killer.

I figured out the secret of the virtual world quickly like other people had posted, but the game really tries to ease you into it.

Also, you can activate an alternate route by lying about the poison to Kokichi in the very first debate. It’s always satisfying to lie to him.

It took a while, but now he’s establishing himself as the game’s rival. Fuck this guy.

Spoiler: Chapter 5
God dammit, I thought this was going to be a new timeline. Then again, “Third time’s the charm,” was used in advertising and Monokuma does reference the other games, so maybe I shouldn’t have thought it was in a new timeline. With what’s been revealed in this chapter, it feels like what DR3 could have been if DR3 was a game.

I see Junko’s hips are still as ridiculously wide as ever.

Anyway, I liked the mystery for this case. The goal was to create an unsolvable murder like in another game, but this time it was to trick Monokuma. And the victim cooperated with the killer, jeez.

I loved the part when K1B0 lost his ahoge.

I guess we’ll find out more about this later but what was with that scene with Junko? Aren’t we hundreds of years into the future after the last DR entry?

I can’t wait to play this game again because I want to see it through to the end.
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Spoiler: Ending
Well... that ending was... something. It still bugged me, but less so than the other games. I’m... really not sure what they were trying to accomplish here.
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Finished chapter 5
Spoiler: Chapter 5 of v3
This was an interesting chapter, but some twists were pretty obvious. Like who was in the Exisal, for example. Also how'd Kokichi come up with the plan so fast? Especially the script. He couldn't have come up with everything in such a short time. The plan was still good though. The execution was also great. It was a nice callback to DR1 and Kaito died of his own accord.

Unfortunately, I have a lot of complaints other than this. Mind Mine was used too often, the overuse of hope and despair return, Monokid is back, AND APPARENTLY JUNKO IS STILL ALIVE?!?!!?!? COME ON CAN YOU PLEASE COME UP WITH A NEW MASTERMIND ALREADY THIS IS GETTING OLD

Anyway there's bound to be some correlation between K1-B0 losing his strand of hair and having his own consciousness.

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Spoiler: Chapter 6
I love it when everything is a lie. I really do.

I guess Kaede's twin sister was a lie? I thought that the twin was in control of Monokuma, because Tsumugi couldn't control Monokuma and be present at the same time, surely. Then again, I don't think anybody said that Monokuma was being controlled by the mastermind, did they? I suppose with the revelation that the whole thing was put on by a production company, one of their personnel was in control of Monokuma.

I also wondered that since Kaede was actually innocent, the real Kaede wasn't executed either. Maybe it was her twin?

Kaede was executed on false charges, so why weren't the characters more hung up on that?

To be honest, what I didn't like was that they were ordinary people given false memories to make them think they were Ultimate students. It does fit in with what the theme that the whole thing is made up of people obsessed with Danganronpa, of course.

I loved the twist, don't get me wrong, with all of the cosplaying as DR characters and it getting meta. It went on for too long, however, and the game got full of itself. I liked the hope vs. despair here, too, though it was really on the nose when K1B0 stepped up.

It took a while, but I finally warmed to Shuichi around chapter 4-5. When he had to make tough choices like deducing that Gonta and Kaito were culprits were what made him a good protagonist. At that point he willingly took on the challenges nobody else would accept, rather than reluctantly as in the previous chapters.

So the Hope's Peak backstory introduced in Chapter 5 was a fake-out, and I preferred it that way. Same went for Junko being the mastermind again - I liked that the game made fun of her being the mastermind of every Danganronpa entry.

So all in all, I loved how tense this game was but the ending has me feeling conflicted.


Edit: Does anyone find Monokuma’s voice weird? It’s like the voice actor is trying too hard to make him sound cute. I thought his voice in the other games was a better fit for him.
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He sounds the same to me.

Spoiler: V3 Overall Thoughts
My favourite part of the game is the ending. At first I was pretty opposed to it but now I realise that it's great. Not because of good story telling, oh no. The first part dealing with Chapter 1 was pretty good, but then it spiralled downwards into chaos, and not in a good way. The meta twist was pretty bleh, and the attempt at fanservice was horrible. The message about fiction affect the real world is stupid. Nobody believes the opposite. You can't tell me that media doesn't have an effect on people to this day, nor that there are people who believe so.

The confrontation also draaaaaggged on, even for DR standards. I liked some of the lampshading I guess but still they could've easily shortened this. We had to do the stupid hope VS despair thing and then refuse to do it and then GO THROUGH EVERYONE ELSE'S PERSPECTIVE TO AGREE WITH SHUICHI. And also the fact that DR1 and 2 are fake even ingame is a huge middle finger to the fans, just like the entire trial.

No, the reason I love the ending is because of one thing: what it tells us. The creator is clearly fed up with the series, and with such a controversial ending, the fans are not happy either, which means that it'll be pretty unlikely that there'll ever be another DR game for a long time, if ever. Which is a pretty big relief, methinks.

Anyway, what was the DR3 spoiler in the game? You can tell me now, because I doubt I'll ever start watching it.

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Makoto becomes the headmaster of Hope’s Peak at the the end of DR3. That’s the reason for the “memory” of Shuichi meeting Makoto.
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Re: Dangan-RonpaTopic%20Title
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I'm really behind the pack here.

Spoiler: V3 Chapter 3 with Speculation
Man, this case was turning out to be a good, complex one until Angie's murder turned out to be simpler than it seems and the culprit turning out to be a total nut job. Even before that, there were moments where it ran into the common Ace Attorney problem of knowing what the next twist is going to be before the game gets there. Especially the point where the game breaks for intermission; at that point it's extremely obvious who the culprit is. But the fact that the culprit did this for a reason that had nothing to do with anything else is very disappointing, especially when this is case 3 instead of 1 or 2. I suppose this isn't the first time it's happened in DR, but I think other cases like this one at least contributed something to the overall plot. This one really didn't do anything.

But hey, at least the game made it clear during the punishment that him "sending friends" was not a noble effort at all since his sister's spirit salted him to oblivion.

Back routes continue to be mostly meaningless. This time it was mostly about assuming certain things and presenting them as fact, such as claiming Keebo can't see when his eye lights are on. But as usual, there is a clear right way to go so someone else brings up the actual fact (in this case, there's a hole in the corner where light can come through) and the case continues as normal.

As for my speculations, I'm getting concerned that we know almost nothing about Monokuma & cubs or what the point of this game is, since that has always become the topic of cases 5 and 6 in the past. We know about the Ultimate Hunt and... that's it. I have a feeling that some of the people in this game aren't actually Ultimates since they aren't that good at what they do (astronaut who hasn't gone into space, detective who is still learning, etc.), but that might not be super important. The one thing I'm really concerned about here is, due to how light information about the climax has been so far, it could be that the ultimate twist will be something stupid like "this whole game was to entertain YOU, the player!" I hope this game doesn't get that meta...
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Spoiler: V3 Overall Thoughts
No, the reason I love the ending is because of one thing: what it tells us. The creator is clearly fed up with the series, and with such a controversial ending, the fans are not happy either, which means that it'll be pretty unlikely that there'll ever be another DR game for a long time, if ever. Which is a pretty big relief, methinks.

Yeah, unless you check his twitter, where he said the exact opposite :basil:
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Spoiler:
DR is too big a franchise for spike chunsoft to let it go anyways. even if kodaka doesn't want to do another one i bet they'll find someone else to take over.
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In an interview Kodaka said that V3 may be his last Danganronpa game, but he also said that when DR2 was released. He also said he’d be fine with letting someone else take over Danganronpa.
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Meh, after the way v3 ended, I can't imagine the fans would be too happy about yet another DR game.
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I’m not so invested in the series that I want another game right away, unlike how I feel about Ace Attorney. The story and games/anime/light novels give me plenty of entertainment that I’m fine with waiting a while for the next entry, if there is one.

I started the Talent minigame after completing the story, and it’s such a treat. It’s set in an alternate universe in which the DR1/2/V3 characters all attend Hope’s Peak at the same time. You can play as any character you want and you may trigger events to interact with different characters from the same and different games. Sayaka, Ibuki, and Kadeem meet to talk about music and Miu gets off to Hiyoko’s insults, for example.

There’s also a mode like School Mode and Island Mode but this time you don’t have to do any gathering minigame. You get free time at day and casino time at night.
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Yes, Artina Kikes is at it again.

She also voices Miu.

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Since only God knows when/if Faulerro will ever make any Dangan Ronpa Abridged Things featuring the full DR2 cast, I've decided to come up with parody SHSL skills for all the students other than Nagito who was already given one.
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Hajime (pre-reveal): Super Duper High School "Who Cares?"
Hajime (post-reveal): Super Duper High School Demigod
Nagito: Super Duper High School Hope Dope
Teruteru: Super Duper High School Pervert
Byakuya: Super Duper High School Glutton
Mahiru: Super Duper High School Normal Girl
Peko: Super Duper High School Fridge Stuffing
Fuyuhiko: Super Duper High School Character Development
Hiyoko: Super Duper High School Bully
Ibuki: Super Duper High School Perky Goth
Mikan: Super Duper High School Doormat
Nekomaru: Super Duper High School Poop Machine
Gundham: Super Duper High School Dark Sorcerer
Chiaki: Super Duper High School Ghost in the Machine
Akane: Super Duper High School Boobs
Sonia: Super Duper High School Occult Fanatic
Kazuichi: Super Duper High School Greasemonkey
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Welp, might as well post it here while I'm at it. My thoughts on V3's ending:

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OfflineAce Attorney Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:50 pm
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Playing the first game at the moment and really getting into it. Sometimes the game feels depressing especially when you get to know a character, but this is offset by quirky humour and an OTT anime style. It's kind of serious/sad and funny at the same time.
I can't wait to see what happens next, but my thoughts so far:

Spoiler: Characters
I hate Byakuya - FUCK YOU BYAKUYA! He's such an asshole and looks down on everyone.
After a while, no one seems to mind one character sharing their personality with a serial killer - what???
I like Hina - she's nice.


Spoiler: Chapter 4
I felt so bad for Sakura in this chapter - she was so full of pain and no one understood her :(
Also Kyoko is an interesting one - how does she know so much about the school?
Nick and Maya - Friends and Lovers....
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Re: Dangan-RonpaTopic%20Title
OfflineDesk Jockey Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:54 am
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Finished playing Ultra Despair Girls.

Spoiler: Thoughts
A bit too many panty shots, and the gameplay is okay at best. But it was fun enough regardless, even if it’s essentially shooty refutey without the refutey. Fewer characters meant more time to develop each one. I really enjoyed Komaru and Fukawa’s dynamic. I was never a fan of DR’s post-apocalyptic setting, and the same runs true here. Story kinda plays it safe which means there was nothing that got me mad, but also nothing to get super invested about.
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Iirc the story was fine as far as I care. Imo, DR's overall story really fits more of a shooting game than a mystery one. The end still gets me though.

Spoiler: UDG
The thing with choosing to break the remote control over and over again was just in general frustrating. I never understood why the creator of these games likes to play around with tropes and all just to elongate play time, because in all honesty the ending would have actually benefited from being straightforward more than anything. I understand clichés are clichés, but that hardly means using them is wrong.
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Spoiler: Exactly
At the very first time that choice comes up, how are we supposed to know what breaking the controller would do? We have no reason to not break it at that point, and I feel the game punishes us unfairly after that. There's at least some reason to break it after the second time, but good grief.
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Spoiler: Pretty much
Wait, they actually penalise you for that? I didn't know, since I just watched a playthrough. That seems pretty unfair.

But yeah, they basically could've just removed that part entirely and segway into the final boss differently and the game would've been better for it.
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I'm replaying V3 at the moment, and just finished Chapter 1.
Spoiler: V3 Prologue, CH1, CH2 Investigation, CH6 spoilers
You can see how much the prologue foreshadows the final chapter. I tried paying attention to how the cast reacts before Chapter 1, but all I remember is that Miu acts exactly the same that she does in the rest of the game. We see the audition tapes for Kaede, Kaito, and Shuichi, and they act about the opposite of their in-game personalities. Personally, I have the headcanon that everyone acted the opposite before their personalities were fabricated, like Angie being an atheist.

Onto Chapter 1. Now that I know all of the twists that are going to happen, I like how Kaede's actions and inner monologue are vague, but they still reveal her as the murderer. There is one exception, though, and that is when she rolls the shot put ball into the vent. "I dropped everything I was holding and left the classroom." I caught onto this when it first happened, but I assumed she meant the remote security switch. Later on you realize that she had rolled the shot put ball into the vent, but that doesn't make any sense. The game makes no mention of Kaede either taking off or opening her backpack at the time.

She does do some sweeping before this happens, which could be an excuse to get close to the vent. I was thinking: perhaps the game could have her take off her backpack before she starts sweeping, and it just so happens she placed it near the vent.

Alternatively, Kaede had set her backpack on the ground at the start. During the scene where she talks to Shuichi about the Debussy piece, she goes over to her backpack, opens it, and takes out the sheet music to show him. Finally,
when the time comes for her to go to the library, she says something about making room for her sheet music as she puts it back in the backpack, then leaves the room.

Regardless, one thing that I really took away from this is how it sets up Monokuma as the villain. He was able to manipulate Kaede into committing the murder with his motives, which shows how much of a master manipulator he is and how futile it is to defy him. Kaede is also the player character, and her motivation to defeat the mastermind is shared by the player.

EDIT: One other thing I noticed that foreshadows the reveal in Chapter 6 is examining your room’s closet. Kaede notices that she has many sets of the exact same outfit she is wearing in there. If you examine Ryoma’s closet in Chapter 2, you see the same thing, and Kaito and Shuichi reveal that it’s the same for them as well, leading to them concluding that it’s like this for everyone. It’s a reality show, so they have been provided copies of the same outfit.
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