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Seems the Robot guy's a classmate, I was wrong earlier. I Wonder how he'll get along with Akamatsu. I'll try my best give a quick translation of the text here:
"The newest entry "Danganronpa v3 New Semester, New Killings" will have a fresh setting and characters.
Introducing new gameplay features like, 'Lie to gain the upper hand' or mechanics such as 'Two Sided Debate' where you split into teams to argue.
The 'Psycho-Cool' artstyle has drastically improved the the visuals and presentation, giving this semester an all new edge.
Breaking through contradictions in class trials, pinning down the culprit, it's Danganronpa as you know it.
The story is set in 'Saishyou Academy (I don't know how to translate this)'.
Kaede Akamatsu
Cheerful and forward thinking, she's also the organized type. Her strong will and demeanour puts her in the lead and drags the others around.
Monokumas (Monokumars?)
The self proclaimed children of Monokuma. They manage Saishyou Academy's killing game under Monokuma's command. Their personalities greatly differ, and it might be a bit difficult to keep track of their conversations.
(Red one to the right)
MonoTaro
The often digressing leader-like figure. He has a child-like clumsy side though."
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Spoiler: Future 11
You know that this is Danganronpa we're talking about, right...?
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You know that this is Danganronpa we're talking about, right...?
My point exactly. You can't expect any decent twists out of DR. Especially the really big ones, with tend to appear out of nowhere... and then are represented in a way that I am unclear if I should hysterically laugh or be actually frightened. I mean... monokuma heads on monuments? Gimme a break, that's just... dumb.
At least be like Planet of the Apes and have the monument destroyed.
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CatMuto wrote:
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You know that this is Danganronpa we're talking about, right...?
My point exactly. You can't expect any decent twists out of DR. Especially the really big ones, with tend to appear out of nowhere... and then are represented in a way that I am unclear if I should hysterically laugh or be actually frightened. I mean... monokuma heads on monuments? Gimme a break, that's just... dumb.
At least be like Planet of the Apes and have the monument destroyed.
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I'll be the first to admit the state of the world being portrayed as it was in DR1 was really dumb, but really, while the endings haven't been particularly amazing, I still enjoyed getting to the endings (I mean, DR is a solid enough concept, just make the mysteries harder, and I'll be more or less okay). But in DR3 Future, I haven't been particularly fond of the journey to get to the ending, so I'm mainly hoping that's because the ending is well written for once.
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(I mean, DR is a solid enough concept, just make the mysteries harder, and I'll be more or less okay).
Well, yes, but they need to alter a few other things, too.
1. Make the characters actually relateable and not majorly exaggerated stereotypes; it's difficult to care about a stereotype
2. Less whacky designs. Ties with the first point, but I much prefer the beta prototype designs.
3. BLOOD IS RED!! At least give me an OPTION; it really ruins the drama of the deaths.
4. Better villains.
5. Make your plot make sense.
6. Don't make your revelations come across as pretty fucking stupid (re: Monokuma-ments)
7. Don't leave dozens of questions open; I don't care if you plan to answer them in a sequel, not everyone who has questions WILL play the sequel.
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Well, yes, but they need to alter a few other things, too.
1. Make the characters actually relateable and not majorly exaggerated stereotypes; it's difficult to care about a stereotype
2. Less whacky designs. Ties with the first point, but I much prefer the beta prototype designs.
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1. Make the characters actually relateable and not majorly exaggerated stereotypes; it's difficult to care about a stereotype
2. Less whacky designs. Ties with the first point, but I much prefer the beta prototype designs.
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Or at least, make up your mind if this is supposed be taken seriously or not. If it's meant to be a murder mystery comedy, go all out. If it's meant to be taken seriously, tone down the idiocy. I mean, DRAT took the characters and made them even more exxagerated stereotypes than they were, but it works because we know we're not meant to take it seriously. But if we're actually meant to care, give us a reason to.
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Well, yes, but they need to alter a few other things, too.
1. Make the characters actually relateable and not majorly exaggerated stereotypes; it's difficult to care about a stereotype
2. Less whacky designs. Ties with the first point, but I much prefer the beta prototype designs.
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1. Make the characters actually relateable and not majorly exaggerated stereotypes; it's difficult to care about a stereotype
2. Less whacky designs. Ties with the first point, but I much prefer the beta prototype designs.
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Or at least, make up your mind if this is supposed be taken seriously or not. If it's meant to be a murder mystery comedy, go all out. If it's meant to be taken seriously, tone down the idiocy. I mean, DRAT took the characters and made them even more exxagerated stereotypes than they were, but it works because we know we're not meant to take it seriously. But if we're actually meant to care, give us a reason to.
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That, too. I mean, I don't mind making a joke here and there, even about someone's death.
But DR just couldn't seem to decide if I'm supposed to give a crap that X just died, because everybody keeps making fun of their death. I mean, here and there, okay, but constantly? Uh, yeah, I'm really sad now that X died. And they just repeat that with Y and Z. Even demanding I care about the characters that die in the very beginning, when the only way I can get to know them better is by doing NG+ - at which point, I've already finished the game, probably stopped caring and found better characters to care about.
Spoiler: DR
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Is this their way of telling us the Future Arc won't resolve anything?
Of course it won't. If they ever bring out something about DR that actually resolves things properly, the entire universe of it would explode and end. And then, no more money.
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Spoiler: DR3 Despair/Future
I know this is asking a lot of the writers, but I'd just like for the mastermind's motives to make sense without having to go into a lot of detail. Heck...
Spoiler: DR2
EDIT: So, it looks like the Hope Arc may only be one episode, so it's probably just to wrap up the plot threads from both of the other arcs.
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I know this is asking a lot of the writers, but I'd just like for the mastermind's motives to make sense without having to go into a lot of detail. Heck...
But why explain it at all? Why can't the villain just like despair because, fuck it, they like it? No real reason for 'why', they just do.
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But why explain it at all? Why can't the villain just like despair because, fuck it, they like it? No real reason for 'why', they just do.
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Frankly, that's one thing that's bugged me about the DR1 mastermind ever since I completed DR1.
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I actually thought it was really clever how the series was able to form a cohesive narrative despite jumping between past and present every other episode. The NG Codes were also a really nice touch and I like that they subtly reflected the personalities of the characters. The biggest, most awful whatever was also pretty despair-inducing
That's about it. I'll admit there were certain points when I was engaged but in typical Danganronpa fashion, the ending is a catastrophic mess. And I know Danganronpa usually gives development to characters right before they're killed but this was on a whole new level where it happened literally every single time
I thought Mitarai was shaping up to be an obvious villain but was then impressed about midway through the series when it seemed that wouldn't be the case. Mitarai was actually shaping up to be a really interesting character and now they just ruined it all over again
The way the SDR2 cast fell into despair was dumb. I remember talking on a forum about how it was dumb the entire class fell into despair and fans were bending over backwards to justify it, pointing out how each character had easily manipulatable insecurities and were already on the edge
Nope, brainwashed
I guess the series really was doomed to fail for me because I've always hated the hope/despair/kibo/zetsubou emphasis that this series has always thrown out. I didn't like it at the end of DR1 but if I had known that was the most tolerable the series would be with it, I would've been content. I seriously want a script of the first two games and the anime so I could find how many times hope and despair is said in each one. SDR2 probably tripled DR's and I guarantee this 8 hour anime had more than the 30 hour second game
This series could never have a good villain because they're all just brainwashed despair or occasionally a brainwashed hope which might be even worst. It really is just awful writing that detracts from what's laughably called the plot at this point
They did a good job of balancing the new cast and bringing back some old characters I guess. And they did tie up loose ends but I'd hardly call that impressive considering how simple the story is
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Let me ask you, how can you tell when you screwed up with writing for your new mastermind? You end up somehow making Junko look sane in comparison.
Spoiler: DR3
Long story short, I think it's time to hang the reins of the series over to someone who knows how to write a good story, because the current writer clearly sucks at this.
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TheDoctor wrote:
Long story short, I think it's time to hang the reins of the series over to someone who knows how to write a good story, because the current writer clearly sucks at this.
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They did a good job of balancing the new cast and bringing back some old characters I guess. And they did tie up loose ends but I'd hardly call that impressive considering how simple the story is
And add in more than they tied up. Because that's what DR always does. (Plus, the way they tied up most of those loose ends was lolbrainwashing.)
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Long story short, I think it's time to hang the reins of the series over to someone who knows how to write a good story, because the current writer clearly sucks at this.
That was the first entry in the series, so I was willing to look past its rougher points at the time. The second entry was a marginal improvement, so I was hoping he was starting to get the hang of it. But then the anime comes along and it ends up making the first game look like a masterpiece in comparison? Congratulations, you just lost whatever benefit of the doubt I was giving you.
EDIT: I just thought of the perfect ending for the anime, or at least better than what we likely have in store for us.
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Besides, New Danganronpa V3 is a reboot, so at least there's not a
Spoiler: DR1 mastermind
appearance nor a brainwashing crap to be feared. Well, I'm not so sure about the latter, but anyways they might take this new story as an opportunity to fix what didn't work in previous entries.
I guess.
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As much as I do agree that the anime was not good (the overall plot was written by Kodaka so of course he's to blame, but I think he was not involved as much as he is with the games), I won't give up on the series yet because I believe Kodaka is better at writing games than animes.
Besides, New Danganronpa V3 is a reboot, so at least there's not a
appearance nor a brainwashing crap to be feared. They might take this new story as an opportunity to fix what didn't work.
I guess.
Besides, New Danganronpa V3 is a reboot, so at least there's not a
Spoiler: DR1 mastermind
appearance nor a brainwashing crap to be feared. They might take this new story as an opportunity to fix what didn't work.
I guess.
Rebooting means getting rid of Junko. Lolbrainwashing, lolvirtualreality, lolmemoryerasure, etc can all easily still be a part of it.
Also, even though they're saying it's a reboot, I'm not going to completely discount the possibility that it'll be loljunko again (and they're saying it's a reboot so we don't expect it) until I see the v3 mastermind/ending for myself.
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Long story short, I think it's time to hang the reins of the series over to someone who knows how to write a good story, because the current writer clearly sucks at this.
Ahahaha, yeah. Pretty much. Even the writing DR1 just fell apart majorly, especially at the end.
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I guess the series really was doomed to fail for me because I've always hated the hope/despair/kibo/zetsubou emphasis that this series has always thrown out.
Uuuuurgh, it was so ANNOYING at the end of DR1 when they just kept blabbing "bla bla bla HOPE bla bla bla DESPAIR DESPAIR no HOPE bla bla" You are a videogame aimed towards teens, NOT A FUCKING SATURDAY MORNING CARTOON TRYING TO TEACH DUMB LESSONS TO DUMB CHILDREN!
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EDIT: I just thought of the perfect ending for the anime, or at least better than what we likely have in store for us.
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You want the anime to pull a It Was All A Dream? That would be terrible. It's such a cop-out to write; like, all that stuff that happened? Total waste of your time, since it never happened. No consequences because, pfff, it was a stupid dream.
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Also, even though they're saying it's a reboot, I'm not going to completely discount the possibility that it'll be loljunko again (and they're saying it's a reboot so we don't expect it) until I see the v3 mastermind/ending for myself.
Reboot with a new cast. I wouldn't be surprised if the mastermind turns out to not actually be Enoshima, but end up to be a character who is ABSOLUTELY IDENTICAL to Enoshima, so it still doesn't work. Rehashing the same villain(-type) over and over doesn't work.
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Reboot with a new cast. I wouldn't be surprised if the mastermind turns out to not actually be Enoshima, but end up to be a character who is ABSOLUTELY IDENTICAL to Enoshima, so it still doesn't work. Rehashing the same villain(-type) over and over doesn't work.
SHSL ??? ends up being SHSL Junko Expy? xP
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You want the anime to pull a It Was All A Dream? That would be terrible. It's such a cop-out to write; like, all that stuff that happened? Total waste of your time, since it never happened. No consequences because, pfff, it was a stupid dream.
Lol, as if everything that happened didn't turn out to be a total waste of time to begin with. 
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You want the anime to pull a It Was All A Dream? That would be terrible. It's such a cop-out to write; like, all that stuff that happened? Total waste of your time, since it never happened. No consequences because, pfff, it was a stupid dream.
Lol, as if everything that happened didn't turn out to be a total waste of time to begin with. You know what I mean. Like, it's a middle finger to the viewer: "were you actually invested in any of these characters? Pffffft! I fart in laughter in your general direction, you loser." I mean... okay, spoilers, but a FF VII story I have planned DOES turn out to be nothing but a dream. But I'm not adding unnecessary drama or anything to make it... you know, dramatic.
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Thank god this travesty is over.
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Sigh. That was pretty meh. And the so called payoff at the end was pretty much pointless.
So, basically just like playing the first game. It's DR, what were you expecting? Meaningful character development that resulted in leaving you feeling peaceful after finishing the anime? It's not Tales of the Abyss.
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Now again, I need to remind you that I enjoyed the games for the most part, so I really wanted to like this anime, but the way the story was handled makes me feel like it would have been better if they went the "all just a dream" route, because at least then I get the catharsis of realizing all the characters I cared nothing about were never there to begin with, so I'm not meant to care about then in the first place.
Also, regarding the survivor count BS...
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I don't think spoilers are necessary for my post, as I'm avoiding specifics, but I've gone ahead and erred on the side of caution here.
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Personally, I would never do that conclusion for Naegi, but... well, I would never tolerate him in that position. Not one that I would see him as succeeding in.
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Don't get me wrong; it can be done well. It is a big risk, though.
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