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Eh I thought more of Oracle from Persona 3. Actually surprised they'd be so lazy as to directly reuse a name from the same franchise, I feel Navi would have been better or even if they'd just kept her hacker codename.

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Eh I thought more of Oracle from Persona 3. Actually surprised they'd be so lazy as to directly reuse a name from the same franchise, I feel Navi would have been better or even if they'd just kept her hacker codename.

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Ugh maybe I'm mixing it up but didn't Fuuka use Oracle?
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Pierre wrote:
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Eh I thought more of Oracle from Persona 3. Actually surprised they'd be so lazy as to directly reuse a name from the same franchise, I feel Navi would have been better or even if they'd just kept her hacker codename.

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Ugh maybe I'm mixing it up but didn't Fuuka use Oracle?

I had to look it up. Oracle is an ability that Fuuka gets upon Lucia changing to Hera that randomly grants a random buff.
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I believe Rise's Persona could also obtain Oracle in Golden?

A few hours later, I did another attempt to defeat Madarame's Shadow again. I have to say, that attempt was VERY nice to me. When electricity was used, it usually hit Skull - who already resists it - and was generally dodging wind attacks. And single-target wind attacks went onto Mona, who resist those. Much kinder to me than any previous attempt, where Skull either didn't dodge or the AI tended to hit Mona with electricity. Or overall killed a party member, when I didn't have any Revival Beads. (By the way, I have altered the difficulty back to Normal. I can do Hard on an NG+, maybe. We'll see.)

At least I'm getting Makoto next... and then Futaba~
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Mona: Hey, that fortune-teller should be there tonight, right? But 100.000 is quite steep...

Yes, Mona. I know. Yes, it is a steep price. Shut up. I know that I am not going to get all the confidants up to maximum; especially if even TAKEMI wants me to be at Level 4 Charisma to go past Level 7! At least I unlocked Iwai, okay? I've got lost of confidants open, I've got some of them at good levels and some will be maxed, but I am gonna focus more on getting all my social parameters to maximum for next time, okay?
Even if I feel a bit bad to ignore Chihaya, who is voiced by Matsuki...
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I wasn't sure what to think of Okumura's Palace. I knew its theme, but never got there. Got there and, yeah, music is pretty cool. I really wasn't sure if I liked it or hated it. Until I got to the last section of the dungeon and all the airlocks... nope, I don't like this dungeon very much.
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Think that palace was awwwful. So many long corridors and waiting to ambush powerful guys.
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Boss Battle sucked, too.
They are all on about making it obvious that something big happened with Okumura, so you go in and expect an awesome palace. And battle, and then you get this. Geez. Whatever, I just want to get Futaba to romance already.

I need to unlock ALL the locations for a Trophy? I'm guessing those AREN'T carried over in New Game Plus? Meaning, I would have to date ALL the women available? Urgh!
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I need to unlock ALL the locations for a Trophy? I'm guessing those AREN'T carried over in New Game Plus? Meaning, I would have to date ALL the women available? Urgh!

Depends on your definition of "date." If you mean just agreeing to go to a spot when a confidant calls, then yes, there's at least one location that's only unlocked through that method, the others being part of confidant routes. If you mean getting into a relationship with everyone, then no. I got that trophy on a first playthrough without maxing every confidant and only romancing Makoto.
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I saw some only seem to unlock location when romancing them.

Spoiler: Casino Palace
Alright, a casino! Oh, cool, and I get to play some casino games for chips? Cool!
Wait... 200 is the highest payout? And I need to make 5000 before I can even attempt to make the big bucks for the dumb member card? That sucks!
Instead, I have got walk allover this place to make them not cheat?


Also, I feel like I'm taking more damage in this palace. Either my personae/level isn't that good (49 for Joker), my equipment needs to improve more, or enemies seem to just hit harder now.
Gawd, I just want the Futaba Talk trophy and then I can throw Crow outta my party.
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A lot of hangout spots have multiple methods of unlocking them. Here's the complete list. And my mistake, you can but you don't need to accept an invitation over the phone to unlock certain spots.

Also don't throw away your sanity over the getting every trophy on a first run, especially the Futaba talk trophy. You'll need to do a NG+ anyway for the platinum trophy just to be at a decent enough level for the bonus boss.
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The Futaba trophy is also a lot easier to get than the Rise trophy. I was aware the Futaba trophy existed but wasn't trying too hard to get her to say unique lines, aside from letting everyone be in the party for a decent amount of time (which I would have done anyway in order to target weaknesses without overly depending on Joker). I managed to get the trophy without issues that way.
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A lot of hangout spots have multiple methods of unlocking them. Here's the complete list. And my mistake, you can but you don't need to accept an invitation over the phone to unlock certain spots.

Also don't throw away your sanity over the getting every trophy on a first run, especially the Futaba talk trophy. You'll need to do a NG+ anyway for the platinum trophy just to be at a decent enough level for the bonus boss.


Heck, I'm tempted to get as many trophies as possible, then do a completely new run. I already got the trophy for playing all the games, maxing parameters, etc. By the way, would the game please STOP having that dumb thing pop up when I gain points in something? I'm maxed out! No need to keep showing me that. I don't remember if P3 or P4 had this issue...

I did get to romance Futaba. The loading screen showing Joker with pink hearts floating about when you have the Rank 10 romantic event (or the.... spending some alone time... event) had me in stitches. I don't know why, I just think it looks funny. Funnier than when he wears a lei during Hawaii.

I love the game and several of its aspects, but by god, the plot falls apart so BADLY at the end.
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Picked up Persona 5 solely due to it being a GotY contender last year, and, well...I finished it 2 days ago and I’ve already started a new run. I’m fucking addicted.

It’s a bit early to know for sure, but it might honestly be my favorite game I’ve ever played, with basically no competition whatsoever. I’ll go more in-depth on what I think of the confidants and palaces later on, but honestly there’s nothing I dislike about this game. At all. Well ok maybe Ohya kinda sucks

I’ve got a big backlog of games to play still, but I’m hyped AF to play the other Persona games.

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Why you badmouthing my Devil Woman! Ohya is fine!


Still glad to see you liked it definitely one of my favourites from last year.
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Well, time to go a bit more in-depth on why I love this game so god damn much. Not gonna say much on the characters yet, as I need to do a 2nd run-through to get all the confidants. I'll touch on them lightly, but not that much.

Battle
  • The battle system was a lot less complex than I thought it'd be, and that's a good thing. It's a simple game of exploiting the enemy weakness while also being engaging. I was frustrated every now and then when I got hit with an ailment I couldn't get rid of, but that's nitpicky at best.
  • Mostly ran a Joker/Skull/Queen/Noir party, although I swapped Noir out for Crow and Panther near the end.
  • I didn't fuse personas as much as I thought I would. I was able to mostly keep up-to-date on personas of my level, so it was never really an issue. Also, with Queen covering Nuclear and Noir covering Psi the only element I struggled to find was Bless/Curse.
  • Played on easy mode, as I always do with major RPGs. I play these for the experience, not the difficulty. Maybe I'll play it on a harder mode this time through.

Palaces
  • Didn't expect these at all. Loved the variety in them, and the bosses (for the most part) too.

Spoiler: Quick Palace Ranking
1. Pyramid: Great puzzles, great setting, great music, just a fun experience in general.
2. Casino: Holy hell, seeing the casino after entering the metaverse was so fucking cool. Great throwback to the opening. Loved the puzzles, and although I loved the casino setting, the hallways were so fucking boring looking.
3. Bank: A lot of people don't seem to like this one, but I really enjoyed it. The algebra stuff was cool too.
4. Museum: Don't really remember much about this one besides the paintings, but those were so damn cool that it gets this spot for that alone.
5. Space Station: I fully understand the hate for the airlocks, but I actually understood it the first try. Those types of puzzles are geared towards me, so I really loved that section. The entry card section was dumb as fuck though.
6. Mementos (Final): Solid final dungeon, if a bit unspectacular.
7. Castle: Linear opening palace, still a lot of fun but nothing stands out.
8. Cruise Ship: This would've been so much higher if it wasn't so damn long and we got something else besides fucking mice puzzles.


Life Gameplay
  • This is where the game really shines for me. The schedule management is a lot more important than I realized, and before I knew it I had wasted away half my time at Big Bang Burger.
  • Upgrading the social stats is a bit annoying, but I like how it forces you to prioritize certain confidants. I didn't realize this until too late, so my desperate attempts to raise my charm to go out with Makoto were for naught. Luckily, NG+ is a thing.
  • The confidant paths themselves are pretty cool, although some were kinda boring at times (Ann, Ohya, etc). Missed four on my first run: The fortune teller, The politician, The gamer, and...Haru? I actually never established a confidant connection with Haru, which surprised me. I guess I missed something.
  • I had no idea romancing was an option, and it actually played out in-game as I obliviously turned down 3 girls. I said to Ann "You have the others" because I didn't want to be self-centered, and Kawakami/Takemi was just...no. They're great, but no. Not romancing was the best option for the first run though, as I was able to see some really fucking hilarious scenes. Ryuji on Valentines day was great, but the Hawaii stuff takes the cake. Seeing Ryuji and Mishima helplessly try to attact girls, get chased by a pair of gropy gay guys, and then have Yusuke walk back with two fucking live lobsters had me laughing my ass off. Good stuff. Speaking of which...

Writing
  • Holy hell, the writing in this game is superb. It's not often you get a game that can convey both incredibly deep topics and humor at the same time.
  • It gets a bit sketchy near the 5th palace, what with Morgana suddenly developing an inferiority complex and Ryuji suddenly being a complete fucking moron. It picks right back up though.

Presentation
  • God, I love the artstyle so much. I dunno what the genre is, but I want more of it.
  • The music is fantastic. There aren't any huge standout songs besides "Life Will Change" for me, but they're all good or great.
  • Voice acting is also superb. There were a few that weren't that great, but overall it was conveyed very well.

Story
  • I'll get into it more in spoilers, but god damn was the story engaging. The only hiccup was the portion before the 5th palace, but other than that I loved it.

Spoiler: Story Spoilers
  • I was so proud of myself for immediately noticing that Akechi was a metaverse user, but holy shit I didn't expect that type of transformation. I thought he'd be a kinda bad guy, but when he joined our party I just assumed he was a previous metaverse user that sold us out. Seeing him go straight to an insane serial killer was jarring, but in a good way. His VA did fantastic to showcase how fucking insane he was, especially with his PERSONA screams.
  • The moment a 2nd mice puzzle showed up on the Cruise Ship, I knew it wasn't the final palace. No chance in hell the game would end on that.
  • I didn't expect the game to go full Xenoblade at the end though. I kinda wish it had just ended on everyone battling Yaldabaoth in Mementos instead of the whole "save the world" type shit. Hell, just fighting Yaldabaoth in the Velvet Room would've been fine. It wasn't bad, but seeing Shido get cast aside almost immediately was a bit odd.
  • While we're on the topic, seeing the final boss be named Yaldabaoth was pretty cool, seeing as the ending highly resembles Xenoblade and Yaldabaoth was Egil's mechon.
  • This was helped by me not ever playing a Persona game before (As Igor is a recurring character) but I called "Igor" as the final boss by my 2nd visit to the Velvet Room.
  • The game really threw me for a loop when Ryuji "died". I didn't think it was gonna happen, but for a quick moment there I thought "Holy fuck they actually killed him". Would've been a really fucking depressing, yet really cool twist.
  • Seeing Morgana return didn't surprise me in the slightest.
  • Sojiro crying at the end made my heart melt a lil' bit.


For my next run-through, I'm thinking of purchasing the Persona 3/4 DLC. I haven't played either, but I love the P4 costume set and the P3 battle theme.
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Algebra? Never saw it like that. I recall that Palace because I got stuck by overlooking the obvious path when I first got to the giant room at the bottom. I have to say about the Space Station Palace... it was cool! Well, at first... the novelty of it wore down near the end; I didn't mind the airlocks, especially since they were easy to figure out, but I feel like the Palace went on a little too long.

I still haven't gotten to the final section of the game. I am two days away from getting to the "This is the big decision; will you answer in ways to get a Bad Ending or continue onto the True Ending path?" part, but I just lost interest. The casino was cool, don't get me wrong. Just... once again, I feel it went on a little too long. Guess that's a good way to explain my feelings for most of the Palaces. Cool concept, cool ideas and designs, cool puzzles, but they drag a bit.
At least it isn't AS bad as Persona 4 with the "I dunno, you gotta tell me abot the person before I can locate them..." taking a few days.

Cool that you noticed that big twist. Out of curiosity, what made you say it? Especially as someone with no previous Persona experience.
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Algebra? Never saw it like that. I recall that Palace because I got stuck by overlooking the obvious path when I first got to the giant room at the bottom. I have to say about the Space Station Palace... it was cool! Well, at first... the novelty of it wore down near the end; I didn't mind the airlocks, especially since they were easy to figure out, but I feel like the Palace went on a little too long.

I still haven't gotten to the final section of the game. I am two days away from getting to the "This is the big decision; will you answer in ways to get a Bad Ending or continue onto the True Ending path?" part, but I just lost interest. The casino was cool, don't get me wrong. Just... once again, I feel it went on a little too long. Guess that's a good way to explain my feelings for most of the Palaces. Cool concept, cool ideas and designs, cool puzzles, but they drag a bit.
At least it isn't AS bad as Persona 4 with the "I dunno, you gotta tell me abot the person before I can locate them..." taking a few days.

Cool that you noticed that big twist. Out of curiosity, what made you say it? Especially as someone with no previous Persona experience.


Spoiler: Big Twist
The deep voice, the "I look so evil but I'm not evil" design, the choir/design of the Velvet room, the constant mentions of the "game" and "rehabilitation" and the lack of a true motive made me highly suspicious. I had a feeling Igor was just toying with me, almost like a puppet master. Considering that the Velvet Room and Igor are recurring throughout the series, the only reason I clued in on that was due to me never being exposed to them before.


The palaces are much shorter on a 2nd run-through. Granted, that most likely comes from me absolutely tearing apart any shadow I see, but knowing where to go helps quite a bit. It also lets me spend a lot more time with confidants, which is nice.

Romanced Makoto (because duh) and her confidant path is pretty cute. It's gonna suck turning the other girls down now (Not looking towards turning Futaba and Haru down) but I want that Valentine's scene, dammit!

EDIT: Of fucking course, the first "date" I spend with Makoto she ends up telling me to go find a book for her while she talks with Hifumi. God dammit.
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Finished my 2nd run-through. Hardly focused on the palaces at all, instead focusing mostly on confidants and Mementos. I didn't finish Mementos because my dumbass thought there was a free day after the 7th palace.

Speaking of the confidants, they're all really good. I figured I might as well rank them while they're fresh on my mind. I didn't take the auto-advancing confidants (Igor, Akechi, Sae, Morgana) into account.

Spoiler: Confidants
1. Makoto
2. Futaba
3. Sojiro
4. Mishima
5. Kawakami
6. Haru
7. Shinya
8. Takemi
9. Hifumi
10. Yoshida
11. Yusuke
12. Iwai
13. Ryuji
14. Ann
15. Justine and Caroline
16. Chihaya
17. Ohya


Also, as I predicted before, turning down Haru is fucking painful. Not only is she the only confidant to be absolutely devastated when you turn them down, but the devs make it absolutely clear that she has a crush on you. Whether it's her saying "I've always longed for this" when you rescue her, or her literally calling you "her hero", they make you feel guilty as all hell. Granted, they do a lot of similar things with you and Makoto earlier on, but holy shit they're relentless with Haru.

And before anyone tries to kill me, I see Futaba as more of a little sister. She's fucking awesome, don't get me wrong. But I can't see her as a romantic option. I just can't.
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My PSTV came in today, along with my copy of P4G. Not too far in (just got to where they all jump into the TV for the first time), but here's my thoughts so far:

1. The setting is cool. I prefer P5 Tokyo so far though.
2. Dojima is pretty cool so far. I definitely see parallels between him and Sojiro.
3. Nanako is adorable. She's not on Pearls level yet, but she's getting there fast. Her singing the Junes theme was the highlight so far.
4. I love the cast so far. Yosuke seems like a more chill Ryuji, which is nice. Yukiko is also awesome, and when she said her whole "I've never had a boyfriend" thing I knew she would be my romance target. Chie annoyed me a bit at first, but I've already turned around on her.
5. My Ace Attorney/Layton senses are tingling, and I've already got a few early guesses on who the serial killer is.

Spoiler: Spoilers I guess
1. Adachi (Most likely)
2. Dojima (Less likely)
3. I was gonna put Morooka here, but a google search to confirm the spelling of his name may have spoiled something about him, so...yeah.
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Yeah, if you want to keep yourself unspoiled about the murder mystery part of Persona 4, don't look stuff up. Persona 4 is old enough that nobody holds back on spoilers about that part. But at least in this case, there is a lot to like about the game beyond the mystery.
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Marathoned the first three dungeons, and, well...holy shit. That's all I can say.

1. While P5 tops P4G in gameplay, I find the character development better in P4G with all the extra scenes. The pick-up contest, the campout, etc are all really well written. I don't necessarily prefer the characters per se (I find both games about equal in that regard) but these extra scenes are fantastic.

2. The dungeons are rather disappointing, but the themes are incredible. I was worried after the first dungeon was another palace, but a bathhouse and a fucking strip club? I'd love to see this game remade in the P5 engine with actual dungeons.

3. Also, I love how awkward the shadows are. Surprised everything's been so sexual so far.

4. Nanako is officially the best thing to ever happen in a video game. Ever. Period.

5.
Spoiler: 4th dungeon
Mitsuo is clearly not the killer, but I’m curious as to how his story will progress. I wonder if he’ll have a social link or not.


6.
Spoiler: Killer prediction
Its gotta be Adachi. I’ll be floored if it isn’t him. I’m hoping it’s not him, but I just don’t see any other options.


7. Teddie turning into a human was not something I expected at all. Wish he stayed like that in the TV World instead of his weird bear suit.

8. Romanced Yukiko already. Dunno why I like her so much, but she’s my favorite of both games so far.

EDIT:
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WHY THE FUCK DID THEY KILL NANAKO?! 0/10 WORST GAME EVER FUCK

Double edit: Oh wait nevermind
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Well...finished the game, good ending and all. Still need to go back and do all the social links, but I really enjoyed it.

Spoiler: Ending
Here's hoping that Persona 6's main antagonist isn't the happy detective who's name starts with A and ends in "chi".


EDIT: Haha I'm dumb, I missed the good ending. Lucky me. Back to the grind I go.
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Hahaha yeah stuff gets dark towards the end of that game
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It's certainly darker than P5, but it still feels somewhat risk-averse. I've heard that P3 is much darker, so I'm looking forward to that.

Also, I just found out that Teddie's VA in P4G is Sam Riegel, who is also Phoenix's VA in the newer games. I don't think I'll ever see Phoenix the same way again.
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