I'm not mad! I...I'm just angry.
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Well that depends on how much 18+ content you think we'll get by opening an area. If there's a great tide of fanfiction and the like waiting to pour in that's not had the opportunity then by all means go ahead. I was under the impression it was just to be a solution for the more raunchier discussions.
Sierra Mikain wrote:
That 'hassle' is what puts more responsibility on the user.
A 12-year-old browsing as a 'guest' cannot 'stumble upon' an 18+ area. If they want access, they would need both an account and to go through the "opt-in" process as well.
I remember some mods did this at a forum I frequented many moons ago, though the opt-in process involved sending a request to a mod. Yes, I'm sure a few lied about their age. But those with access were free to post to their hearts' content.
"Responsibility on the user" you say?
If a thread says 18+ that's essentially the same level of responsibility. You think a warning about 18+ thread is any less effective than an area that says it? In actuality it's still just a few clicks. If a warning about 18+ thread won't stop them then an extra click to enter an 18+ area isn't going to be any more of a deterrent.
Of course there could probably be stricter security measures in place based around checking the user's age.
No, it is not the same level of responsibility.
Say you visit a forum that isn't restricted. You lurk as a guest, and in this forum, anyone has access to a thread that is 18+ (including people who get there via a search engine result). If someone gets offended, part of the blame can be placed on forum staff for allowing the content in the first place.
Now imagine you visit a forum that has a restricted 18+ section. In order to gain access to that section, you have to sign up as a user, and verify you're not a bot. That's the first step. The second step is to go through the "opt-in" process to have access to that section, either by choosing something in your profile settings (assuming this is very clearly labeled that you are verifying you are of age) or by personally requesting permission from a forum staff member. In either case, at this point you have gathered enough information to ascertain that the section you are attempting to gain access to is an 18+ section. Forum staff cannot verify if you are lying about your age or not (chances are they will also point this out), so if you agree to opt in for access, then you are confirming that 1) you are of age, 2) you understand what type of content is in the restricted area and 3) you intend to go into that part of the forum, fully knowing what you'll find there. So yes, the responsibility falls on you. Once you are in, then you can no longer claim that you had no idea, or that you were too young to be viewing the content.
This is what I mean by responsibility. This is not about keeping out the people who want to be there, regardless of what age they give you. Users who want to opt in will opt in. The difference is, once in, they don't get to claim ignorance.
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