Board index » Phoenix Wright » Defendant's Lobby » Kurain (GS2)

Page 11 of 13[ 488 posts ]
Go to page Previous  1 ... 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13  Next
 


Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

I'm not mad! I...I'm just angry.

Gender: Female

Location: The Bostonius

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:00 pm

Posts: 2777

Nearavex wrote:
I... still don't get how Phoenix saying "guilty" there could help in any way - just because he gives up on a trial doesn't mean it's enough to convict a defendant.

To the contrary, the judge has pretty much made up his mind there - saying guilty wouldn't save or convict anyone, since even Edgeworth couldn't come up with a proof of Engarde's guilt.

Actually, I think it would seal fates of both Maya and Adrian. Adrian would be found guilty and Maya would be killed for Phoenix's outburst.


It's true that Phoenix requesting a guilty verdict wouldn't necessarily change the outcome, but I don't see how Maya would be killed? Unless you mean that Matt would spitefully order a hit on her in response to Phoenix's actions in court.
"Descole? You don't mean Mr. I-Like-to-Wreck-Things-with-Mechanical-Monsters-and-Dress-Up-as-Posh-Ladies Descole?" -Emmy Altava

Image
...NAILED IT
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Y'know

Gender: None specified

Rank: Prosecutor

Joined: Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:51 pm

Posts: 787

Huh? Wouldn't Shelly just assume that Phoenix broke the conditions and that dropping Engarde's defense would result in him killing her?
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

I'm not mad! I...I'm just angry.

Gender: Female

Location: The Bostonius

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:00 pm

Posts: 2777

Nearavex wrote:
Huh? Wouldn't Shelly just assume that Phoenix broke the conditions and that dropping Engarde's defense would result in him killing her?


Well, maybe early on in the trial. But I was under the impression that the only thing Shelly wanted was an acquittal. As long as he got it, he would let Maya go free.

If the trial was at a point where it didn't matter what Phoenix did, because Matt would get off regardless, I don't see Shelly having much of a reason to kill Maya.
"Descole? You don't mean Mr. I-Like-to-Wreck-Things-with-Mechanical-Monsters-and-Dress-Up-as-Posh-Ladies Descole?" -Emmy Altava

Image
...NAILED IT
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Gender: Female

Rank: Prosecutor

Joined: Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:58 am

Posts: 809

Either way, I would be facing a limitation or flaw of the legal system, so it's just a matter of doing a comparison between the consequences/risks and choosing the path that fits more with my personal values.

In my case, it would be Guilty. By choosing "Not Guilty", I could be saving Maya's life, but there wouldn't be any guarantee of it. How could I know if De Killer really intended to free Maya in the scenario Engarde is acquitted? Besides, Engarde did deserve punishment. Doesn't matter much if he directly killed someone or hired someone to fulfill his wishes, he is the main instigator of a homicide.
Finally, not least important, it's obviously not right to send an innocent person (Andrews) to death sentence. It's the biggest mistake a courtroom can commit, and I wouldn't want to be responsible for it.
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Gender: Male

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:13 pm

Posts: 1529

The game keeps emphasizing that De Killer is a man of his word, so of course he would set Maya free

I chose guilty, though, because I like Adrian more than Maya. I always think it's weird how when the moment of the true verdict comes (before Engarde scratches his face) Mia says it doesn't matter what I chose cause Engarde will either die or rot in prison. What about Adrian? Her life is still on the line if I choose not guilty
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

I'm not mad! I...I'm just angry.

Gender: Female

Location: The Bostonius

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:00 pm

Posts: 2777

JesusMonroe wrote:
The game keeps emphasizing that De Killer is a man of his word, so of course he would set Maya free

I chose guilty, though, because I like Adrian more than Maya. I always think it's weird how when the moment of the true verdict comes (before Engarde scratches his face) Mia says it doesn't matter what I chose cause Engarde will either die or rot in prison. What about Adrian? Her life is still on the line if I choose not guilty


That's a good point. I sense Mia was banking on the fact that Engarde is a coward who values his life above anything else. One of the things she suggested for Phoenix's miracle, if I recall, was to "make Engarde wish for a guilty verdict." At the time, it was an impossibility, because there was no reason for Engarde to wish for a guilty verdict. But once the truth was presented to de Killer, Engarde knew there was no way he could walk free without losing his life.
"Descole? You don't mean Mr. I-Like-to-Wreck-Things-with-Mechanical-Monsters-and-Dress-Up-as-Posh-Ladies Descole?" -Emmy Altava

Image
...NAILED IT
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Stare into my eyes

Gender: Female

Location: LA, Japanifornia

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:17 am

Posts: 5789

JesusMonroe wrote:
The game keeps emphasizing that De Killer is a man of his word, so of course he would set Maya free

I chose guilty, though, because I like Adrian more than Maya. I always think it's weird how when the moment of the true verdict comes (before Engarde scratches his face) Mia says it doesn't matter what I chose cause Engarde will either die or rot in prison. What about Adrian? Her life is still on the line if I choose not guilty

Because she knew Enguarde would chicken out and accept a guilty verdict anyway. De Killer might as well have been waiting just outside the door all that time, who knows. Besides, Nick couldn't possibly be serious if he chose "not guilty" by then; it'd just be his hidden joker side popping out at an inappropriate time, and everyone would glare at him. Status quo.

I chose "guilty" both times when I had a conscience the first time through. Then, after I finished to the end, I reloaded the files and chose "not guilty" both times to even things out. It's only fair.
Ever armed with trollswatters and defending Phoenix Wright and Miles Edgeworth... as their supposed daughter.

Click here for the Gyakuten Saiban vs Ace Attorney Translation Project Blog!
Various official AA stuff translations currently in the works.

Also, click here for the current archive of fanfiction or here for the backup archive. Click here for the blog that updates it.
Includes translations of misc. fan works related or not to AA.
Also, a very popular fanfic ask meme.
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

Gender: Male

Rank: Suspect

Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:16 am

Posts: 6

I chose guilty. It just felt out of character to me for Phoenix to be taunting Engarde, horrible person or not.
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Composer, thinker, talker

Gender: None specified

Location: Upstate NY

Rank: Suspect

Joined: Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:04 am

Posts: 24

I chose not guilty, because my job is to be his "defense attorney," whether he is actually guilty or not. Shelly's the one who actually killed, making things a lot more complicated than they could have been, and I believed in the actual truth concerning Matt Engarde being made known... somehow. Either way, I doubted Adrian would get convicted of anything, since I was sure of her innocence since the first time I met her.

Also the second time (even though the situation was so crazy that it really wouldn't matter) I chose "not guilty" just because I personally wanted to see the sucker get off'd by Shelly :D
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Scientific Investigator

Gender: None specified

Rank: Suspect

Joined: Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:54 pm

Posts: 1

The first time I chose "Not Guilty" Since I didn't want Maya to die, and for the second time, since everything was clear that Engarde was blackmailing Shelly, and Shelly won't kill Maya, I chose "Guilty" since he was in a kind of way "the real killer"
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Gender: Female

Location: UK

Rank: Desk Jockey

Joined: Fri Oct 17, 2014 8:23 am

Posts: 57

Spoiler: 2.4
The first time they asked me to choose a verdict I remember picking "Not Guilty" because Phoenix felt backed into a corner and Maya's life was on the line. Ultimately Adrian hadn't had her trial yet so there was still time to help her... and which ever way you look at it. I knew saying "Guilty" was probably the right thing to do but... I guess I felt Maya's situation was more dire than Adrian's.

The second time you are asked I chose "Not Guilty" again, chiefly just to see what happened if you did but also because Matt didn't actually kill Juan and you are supposed to be his defence attorney.

Image
Art created by myself, check out:
Tumblr - DeviantART - Archive of Our Own
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Pees'lubn Andistan'dhin

Gender: Male

Location: Khura'in

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:11 am

Posts: 1130

Not guilty.

Because Matt Engarde is innocent, of murder. Shelly de Killer is the one who actually killed Juan.
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Gender: Male

Rank: Desk Jockey

Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:35 am

Posts: 122

I chose guilty. I just couldn't look at that guy and say I want him to be acquitted
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Gender: None specified

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:53 pm

Posts: 1166

Blizdi wrote:
Not guilty.

Because Matt Engarde is innocent, of murder. Shelly de Killer is the one who actually killed Juan.

This argument is so dumb... The last day of the trial was about who hired De Killer, not who did the assassination.
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Obsession ♥

Gender: Female

Location: Austria

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:38 pm

Posts: 1227

Guilty. He always has been guilty to me and I've always been choosing guilty.

Somehow, I really hate Engarde.
You took my heart, smashed it with your bare feet and you still wonder why I left you?
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Composer, thinker, talker

Gender: None specified

Location: Upstate NY

Rank: Suspect

Joined: Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:04 am

Posts: 24

Mary Faraday wrote:
Guilty. He always has been guilty to me and I've always been choosing guilty.

Somehow, I really hate Engarde.

Mary Faraday wrote:
Somehow

Quite hard to figure out why you hate him so much, huh? Sociopaths that want other people dead are just that likeable.

Spoiler: spoiler
Image

Oh wait.

Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title

Gender: None specified

Rank: Suspect

Joined: Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:05 pm

Posts: 1

I chose for Matt Engarde to serve guilty sentence for two reasons.
1. I'd rather ruin my winning streak than to let a criminal get away with murder
2. Even if he WAS not guilty he would probably die the second he walked out of the courtroom.
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Super dazzle-frazzle

Gender: None specified

Location: Sweden

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:22 pm

Posts: 6827

As for Matt, I always felt like "Not guilty" was the less humane option. Like yeah, I'll let DeKiller take care of you, while technically giving you the victory.
(......Ack! I've run out of snide comments!)
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Gender: Male

Location: Dominican Republic

Rank: Medium-in-training

Joined: Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:06 pm

Posts: 576

Missile_Lover wrote:
I chose for Matt Engarde to serve guilty sentence for two reasons.
1. I'd rather ruin my winning streak than to let a criminal get away with murder
2. Even if he WAS not guilty he would probably die the second he walked out of the courtroom.


Actually,this thread is talking about when Phoenix knew that Engarde was guilty for sure and had to choose between saving Maya or letting a murderer go free and have an innocent person executed.
Signature loading, please wait...
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Gender: Male

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:13 pm

Posts: 1529

I was thinking, what exactly did Matt do to Celeste that was so terrible?

He dated her, it didn't work out, end of story. She dates Juan, Matt tells Juan to hurt him, Juan overreacts calls off the wedding, Celeste is caught in the middle, etc. I get that (Juan seems like the bigger asshole to be honest). It seems like whatever Celeste could reveal in her suicide note wouldn't be that damaging to Matt at all (maybe it wasn't since Juan forged a note). So, Matt's goal was to just try and prevent false slander from getting out? Doesn't every celebrity have to deal with that?

Eh
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Gender: Female

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm

Posts: 9704

JesusMonroe wrote:
I was thinking, what exactly did Matt do to Celeste that was so terrible?

He dated her, it didn't work out, end of story. She dates Juan, Matt tells Juan to hurt him, Juan overreacts calls off the wedding, Celeste is caught in the middle, etc. I get that (Juan seems like the bigger asshole to be honest). It seems like whatever Celeste could reveal in her suicide note wouldn't be that damaging to Matt at all (maybe it wasn't since Juan forged a note). So, Matt's goal was to just try and prevent false slander from getting out? Doesn't every celebrity have to deal with that?

Eh


Maybe she came across his scars and realized he was a sociopath?

Or maybe Matt suffers from a persecution complex and simply THOUGHT she had known something that could be revealed in a suicide note that would be publicized. Then again, that suicide note makes no sense. If Matt had cameras practically all over Juan's home (and I don't think he's the type to avoid the bathroom or toilet) then when exactly DID Juan forge the note?

C-A
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

A Kirby and AA fan

Gender: Male

Location: The Netherlands

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:01 pm

Posts: 1032

I distinctly remember that even being a point Phoenix brought up to make Adrian look more guilty.
"If Mr. Engarde knew about the suicide note in the bear, he would also know it was fake!" (paraphrased)
Image
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Gender: Male

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:13 pm

Posts: 1529

And then Edgeworth said it was pretty much speculation as Phoenix couldn't prove the note was written in front of the bear

And Cat, I don't think Engarde had cameras "all over." Just in the bear, and that was mostly for blackmailing De Killer
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Gender: Female

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm

Posts: 9704

JesusMonroe wrote:
And Cat, I don't think Engarde had cameras "all over." Just in the bear, and that was mostly for blackmailing De Killer


I recall Edgeworth revealing that he had found "this spy camera" in Juan's home and not at the crime scene at the hotel. And also something about finding multiples of them.

C-A
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Super dazzle-frazzle

Gender: None specified

Location: Sweden

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:22 pm

Posts: 6827

- Franziska von Karma!
(......Ack! I've run out of snide comments!)
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

I'm not mad! I...I'm just angry.

Gender: Female

Location: The Bostonius

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:00 pm

Posts: 2777

JesusMonroe wrote:
I was thinking, what exactly did Matt do to Celeste that was so terrible?


He used her, according to Adrian.
"Descole? You don't mean Mr. I-Like-to-Wreck-Things-with-Mechanical-Monsters-and-Dress-Up-as-Posh-Ladies Descole?" -Emmy Altava

Image
...NAILED IT
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Gender: Female

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm

Posts: 9704

Nymeria wrote:
JesusMonroe wrote:
I was thinking, what exactly did Matt do to Celeste that was so terrible?


He used her, according to Adrian.


She was the one who let herself be used. So she has herself to blame.
Eat your heart out, Adrian.

C-A
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

[Whip the cream!]

Gender: Male

Location: Sweden

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:17 am

Posts: 6957

Fist of Justice wrote:
- Franziska von Karma!


Now, that was a twist. :psycho-matt:
Gimme a "P"! Gimme an "I"! Give me a "P" and an "E"! What's that spell?! Pipe!
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

The Bulbasaur Attorney

Gender: Female

Rank: Suspect

Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:28 pm

Posts: 3

This one was nerve-wracking. At first I thought "Not Guilty" but that means letting Douchey Mc Douchebag go off free and jailing Adrian Andrews....but then choosing Guilty would mean that Maya dies which is not good either......but I ended up choosing Guilty because I thought there was a 20% chance, everything was gonna be ok.
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Gender: Female

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm

Posts: 9704

Bulbasaur-Is-Awesome wrote:
This one was nerve-wracking. At first I thought "Not Guilty" but that means letting Douchey Mc Douchebag go off free and jailing Adrian Andrews....but then choosing Guilty would mean that Maya dies which is not good either......but I ended up choosing Guilty because I thought there was a 20% chance, everything was gonna be ok.


Maybe I'm too cynical but obviously they were never gonna pull it through. So the pressure and tension instantly disappeared if you thought about it that way for even a second.

C-A
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

I'm not mad! I...I'm just angry.

Gender: Female

Location: The Bostonius

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:00 pm

Posts: 2777

CatMuto wrote:
Nymeria wrote:
JesusMonroe wrote:
I was thinking, what exactly did Matt do to Celeste that was so terrible?


He used her, according to Adrian.


She was the one who let herself be used. So she has herself to blame.
Eat your heart out, Adrian.

C-A


Having been acquainted with the deceased, Adrian clearly knows more about the nature of Matt and Celeste's relationship than, say, you.
"Descole? You don't mean Mr. I-Like-to-Wreck-Things-with-Mechanical-Monsters-and-Dress-Up-as-Posh-Ladies Descole?" -Emmy Altava

Image
...NAILED IT
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Gender: Female

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm

Posts: 9704

Nymeria wrote:
Having been acquainted with the deceased, Adrian clearly knows more about the nature of Matt and Celeste's relationship than, say, you.


The fact THAT she knows the deceased, and her obvious co-dependency on her, automatically means that she is HEAVILY biased on how she saw the entire relationship, whether when it was going on or after she was dumped. So even if Adrian suddenly said that Matt actually treated her well, I still wouldn't buy it cause she sees Celeste on a goddamn fucking golden pedestal through rose tinted glasses.

C-A
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

A Kirby and AA fan

Gender: Male

Location: The Netherlands

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:01 pm

Posts: 1032

Are you seriously claiming that the victim is at fault in an abusive relationship?
Image
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Gender: Female

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:23 pm

Posts: 9704

Nurio wrote:
Are you seriously claiming that the victim is at fault in an abusive relationship?


If they don't at least attempt to get out of it, then yes. :ron: I'm not saying it's their fault for being abused, I'm saying that if they willingly remain in it (without attempting to break free) then they are at fault for allowing the abuse to continue.

C-A
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

[Whip the cream!]

Gender: Male

Location: Sweden

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:17 am

Posts: 6957

Well, hindsight is 20/20. People get broken down, etc. Everybody knows that one should break free from abuse - in theory. When they're actually in that situation it's a whole different story. People being able to break free quickly - good for them, that's amazing. But others, they have their reasons, even if those reasons aren't "logical".
Gimme a "P"! Gimme an "I"! Give me a "P" and an "E"! What's that spell?! Pipe!
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Super dazzle-frazzle

Gender: None specified

Location: Sweden

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:22 pm

Posts: 6827

WaitingforGodot wrote:
Well, hindsight is 20/20. People get broken down, etc. Everybody knows that one should break free from abuse - in theory. When they're actually in that situation it's a whole different story. People being able to break free quickly - good for them, that's amazing. But others, they have their reasons, even if those reasons aren't "logical".



And "normalization process". People don't actively and willingly let themselves be used and/or abused, and if they do, there's something behind it. Either way, you can't judge people who end up in these situations.

Back to Matt and Celeste though; was anything specific actually said about their relationship? All I can remember was that they dated and then afterwards he got and told Juan about it just to rub it in that he was #1 even there.
(......Ack! I've run out of snide comments!)
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

[Whip the cream!]

Gender: Male

Location: Sweden

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:17 am

Posts: 6957

Well, she did write in her suicide note that she felt used, if I recall it correctly, but that's perhaps what you meant?
Gimme a "P"! Gimme an "I"! Give me a "P" and an "E"! What's that spell?! Pipe!
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Super dazzle-frazzle

Gender: None specified

Location: Sweden

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:22 pm

Posts: 6827

I didn't remember that. She felt used by Matt?
(......Ack! I've run out of snide comments!)
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

[Whip the cream!]

Gender: Male

Location: Sweden

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:17 am

Posts: 6957

I looked it up just now. "Used and then thrown away by Engarde".
Gimme a "P"! Gimme an "I"! Give me a "P" and an "E"! What's that spell?! Pipe!
Re: My client, Matt Engarde, is...Topic%20Title
User avatar

Super dazzle-frazzle

Gender: None specified

Location: Sweden

Rank: Ace Attorney

Joined: Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:22 pm

Posts: 6827

I see then. I was under the impression that shit only started once she was gonna marry Juan.
(......Ack! I've run out of snide comments!)
Page 11 of 13 [ 488 posts ] 
Go to page Previous  1 ... 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13  Next
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  

 Board index » Phoenix Wright » Defendant's Lobby » Kurain (GS2)

Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum
Jump to:  
News News Site map Site map SitemapIndex SitemapIndex RSS Feed RSS Feed Channel list Channel list
Powered by phpBB

phpBB SEO