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Well, she did write in her suicide note that she felt used, if I recall it correctly, but that's perhaps what you meant?


Wasn't it established that she never wrote a suicide note?

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Wasn't it established that she never wrote a suicide note?

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She probably did write one (I recall it being mentioned that she had ink on her fingers or something) but Juan hid it and then wrote a fake one. The contents of the real one are unknown. If Juan had to fake it, it's possible it wasn't damning at all to Matt and Juan just blamed him
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CatMuto wrote:
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Having been acquainted with the deceased, Adrian clearly knows more about the nature of Matt and Celeste's relationship than, say, you.


The fact THAT she knows the deceased, and her obvious co-dependency on her, automatically means that she is HEAVILY biased on how she saw the entire relationship, whether when it was going on or after she was dumped. So even if Adrian suddenly said that Matt actually treated her well, I still wouldn't buy it cause she sees Celeste on a goddamn fucking golden pedestal through rose tinted glasses.

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Bias or no, Adrian can still say with more certainty that Matt was using Celeste, than you can say that Celeste was allowing herself to be used by Matt.


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Are you seriously claiming that the victim is at fault in an abusive relationship?


If they don't at least attempt to get out of it, then yes. :ron: I'm not saying it's their fault for being abused, I'm saying that if they willingly remain in it (without attempting to break free) then they are at fault for allowing the abuse to continue.

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In other words, you are contradicting your first statement about Celeste. Clearly, Celeste did not "allow herself" to be used, because she did in fact leave the relationship.


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Wasn't it established that she never wrote a suicide note?

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She probably did write one (I recall it being mentioned that she had ink on her fingers or something) but Juan hid it and then wrote a fake one. The contents of the real one are unknown. If Juan had to fake it, it's possible it wasn't damning at all to Matt and Juan just blamed him


It's possible Juan planted the ink as well as the note.
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In other words, you are contradicting your first statement about Celeste. Clearly, Celeste did not "allow herself" to be used, because she did in fact leave the relationship.


I could be wrong, it's been months since I LPed the case, but wasn't it Celeste who broke up?
I honestly am not sure.

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PS: It's a fucking fictional character, I can say whatever I want about her.
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It's implied she was played and "thrown away" by Matt, and to avoid scandals on Matt's behalf, she agreed to move to Worldwide studios.
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CatMuto wrote:
PS: It's a fucking fictional character, I can say whatever I want about her.

That's not much of an argument. Anyone can say anything about any fictional character, but that doesn't make it true.
To give an extreme example: I could say Pearl is actually a 57-year-old balding man, but that doesn't mean I am right. If we want to make theories about the fictional characters, you'll do well to use in-universe evidence or hints to support yourself, without relying on "I can say whatever I want".
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Wait. Pearl isn't a 57-year-old balding man? :beef:
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Heh. Sadly, I didn't find any evidence to support this, no.
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Nurio wrote:
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PS: It's a fucking fictional character, I can say whatever I want about her.

That's not much of an argument. Anyone can say anything about any fictional character, but that doesn't make it true.
To give an extreme example: I could say Pearl is actually a 57-year-old balding man, but that doesn't mean I am right. If we want to make theories about the fictional characters, you'll do well to use in-universe evidence or hints to support yourself, without relying on "I can say whatever I want".


I can say whatever I want, nothing says I have to support my claim. If I feel Celeste was a stupid woman for letting herself be used by a guy who OBVIOUSLY has some issues (his scars were not a surprise, nor was his personality - too fake, you immediately think there's more to it), I can. I don't need evidence for that, it's just my opinion of the character.

If I were to say that Pearl is 57 years old, people would know that this is just something I'm saying, not that I particularly believe it myself. If I were to say that I think Pearl needs a good slap back whenever she slaps Phoenix for "flirting with other women" (read: just politely LOOKING the other in the eyes while talking), that'd be a different matter.

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Except that was not the issue here. The issue wasn't that you had an opinion on a character. The issue here was that you said that Celeste willingly stayed in the relationship without trying to break free, which just isn't true.
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Except that was not the issue here. The issue wasn't that you had an opinion on a character. The issue here was that you said that Celeste willingly stayed in the relationship without trying to break free, which just isn't true.


If it's my opinion on her, then yes.

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I would say that's more of a poorly supported supposition than an opinion. (Kind of like me saying: I think our nearest ancestors are the parrot family.)
But this discussion isn't going anywhere anymore...
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@OP When you think about it, the logical choice is actually "Not Guilty", the key is in the timing of the consequences.

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If Engarde was found guilty, De Killer would have killed Maya RIGHT away however, punishments aren't carried out instantly for Adrian Andrews. She would just be incarcerated for a while and appeal courts do exist. Phoenix could have still bought some time for him, Edgeworth and Gumshoe to find hunt down De Killer before explaining the situation to the Judge and everyone.
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I chose guilty, but it really pained me to do it. I tend to avoid spoilers, so I was on edge during the entirety of Farewell, My Turnabout. I didn't want anything bad to happen to Maya, but I felt it would be worse to have an innocent person take the fall for a crime she didn't commit. What made it worse was the fact that, immediately after making your decision, Phoenix thinks to himself "I'm sorry, Maya." I was so distraught that I nearly put the game away before Franziska came to save the day. Despite the fact that the plot was not affected in any way, that was the most difficult decision I've ever had to make in a video game.
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The first time I played the game, I chose "Not Guilty" because I didn't want Maya to die, even though my choice would have meant a killer on the loose.
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I found that bastard to be Franziska von Karma....Wait this joke has been made before? Fine, I'll be serious.
I chose Guilty because his scars are creepy...No really, that was the main reason....D-Don't judge me.
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I saved the game before choosing to see what would happen with either of them. I do that with every single choice in the games. I thought that the game would reward you for being honest and choosing Guilty, but it turned out that it didn't matter.
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I chose Guilty because I was like BURN THE WIZARD :scratch: :tigrebw: :shoe: "Meow"
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When I play I chose "guilty" for several reasons, and I'm doing it for... everyone. Myself; the truth should be what's most important in my opinion, for Adrian of course, for Matt - both because he deserves it and because the poor sod is scared shitless and I don't want to taunt him with "see? This is what you wanted, right? Eheheheh"... and even Maya says she won't forgive me if I let him go free.
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I chose not guilty, losing a freind is more important thatn catching a criminal.

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I believe I chose Guilty. As much as losing Maya would stink, choosing Not Guilty would let a potential sociopath free, as well as possibly condemning an innocent person to death. Neither of which are things I'd want to do.

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I flipped a coin for this decision. Heads for guilty and tails for not guilty.

jk I chose
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guilty because I didn't want to send an innocent person to jail and even Maya coerced Phoenix to give him a guilty verdict. Regardless of knowing that Maya would be fine in the end, I was slowly catching on to what Edgeworth was trying to tell me Phoenix about what he discovered and learned during his absence. And really, from the mess Adrian was in... I didn't want to make it worse.

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I chose Guilty.
First, letting other people blackmail you is somehow like supporting blackmail. (Though I wish I could word that better in English.)
More important, the worst thing that could have happened to Maya wouldn't have been being killed by DeKiller. It would have been staying alive and watching how an innocent person who obviously wants to survive has to die and a criminal bastard is admitted just because of her. Maya was ready to sacrifice herself for justice. Staying alive because if her friend's weakness would have been worst for her, no matter what other people say.
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Viktoria von Karma wrote:
First, letting other people blackmail you is somehow like supporting blackmail. (Though I wish I could word that better in English.)

I suppose you mean this in a similar way to how they say "We don't negotiate with terrorists" not giving in to their claims so as to not promote and entice more terrorism.
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:guilty:

I chose Guilty. I had no idea what would happen (no internet for spoilers when I was playing through the trilogy), but I thought it would be best to just have faith that Maya would be ok and do whatever I could to that EVIL guy (I would be more creative when describing him, but I can't remember how liberal this forum is with swears) would get what's coming to him.

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Does Phoenix say to himself if you choose not guilty, like he does when you choose guilty?
When you choose guilty he says "Maya, I'm sorry...." but I don't know what or if he says anything to himself at all.
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Does Phoenix say to himself if you choose not guilty, like he does when you choose guilty?
When you choose guilty he says "Maya, I'm sorry...." but I don't know what or if he says anything to himself at all.


He says that no matter what you pick, but it has different connotations depending on what you pick. Either he's apologizing for being unable to save Maya, or he's apologizing for being unable to uphold the law.
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In my case, I went for an aquittal. Not to make any of the characters look bad, but I chose to save Maya, since I felt that she had less metaphorical blood on her hands.

Though after revealing the truth to :shellydekiller:, I choose to go with...

:guilty:

Because, now that Maya is safe, I can choose with what I truly believe in, and of course, who deserves a conviction more than :scratch:? Though sometimes, I do say Not Guilty, not out of a belief in it, but because of the bit where Nick says, "Congratulations, Mr. Engarde, I'm letting you free, but just remember that one betrayed hitman knows what you did." since it really just twists the knife one last bit.
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Turnabout Dave wrote:
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Does Phoenix say to himself if you choose not guilty, like he does when you choose guilty?
When you choose guilty he says "Maya, I'm sorry...." but I don't know what or if he says anything to himself at all.


He says that no matter what you pick, but it has different connotations depending on what you pick. Either he's apologizing for being unable to save Maya, or he's apologizing for being unable to uphold the law.


Shame that there wasn't a "run" option, like there is with Pokémon...
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I'd love to see that animated.

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I think I chose "Not Guilty" because it's my job, dammit!
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Maya...
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Not guilty, but... It doesn't change a thing, you would be getting an innocent person convicted... But you would b saving an innocent person and letting someone get loose...
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Phoenix is always WRIGHT!
You could've seen that from MILES away.
I sure have a LOTTA guts for doing this.
Wow, I almost FEYNTED from all these!
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Spoiler: Farewell, My Turnabout
I chose Guilty, after a long time, seemingly forever, debating it with myself. I even held my breath and hesitated for a moment before I pressed it. The silence after didn't help. I held the belief that convicting an innocent is worse than freeing a guilty man, even today.

If you need a defense attorney, come talk to me! I just...can't take any cases that are in real life...it has to be on Miiverse. But I'm a justice-seeking warrior who wins every time, like Mr. Fine over there! Well, as long as you're not guilty. In Justice We Trust!
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Before Franzy comes in...'Guilty.' Because Maya wanted it,so at least she'd be happy. Plus,Pearl could channel her again anyway.

After Franzy comes in....Not Guilty. Because I want to see Matt squirm. :karma:

Overall,though,I'd pick Guilty.

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Plus, Pearl could channel her again anyway.

Now that's a bit of a nonchalant attitude... =P
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Nurio wrote:
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Plus, Pearl could channel her again anyway.

Now that's a bit of a nonchalant attitude... =P

I don't see what's wrong. Maya may die,but like Mia,she'll still live on. This is the best case scenario to me.
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Guilty, because he totally was. Maya's hostage situation was literally the only thing preventing Phoenix from resigning as Matt's lawyer anyway. With Maya accepting that her own life wasn't as important as the truth I felt like I could bring criminal to justice without feeling like a jerk. Now that I look back on it, that decision might be the most she's ever grown and matured as a character.

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Aside from finally being able to channel spirits on demand.

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Southern Corn wrote:
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Plus, Pearl could channel her again anyway.

Now that's a bit of a nonchalant attitude... =P

I don't see what's wrong. Maya may die,but like Mia,she'll still live on. This is the best case scenario to me.

Getting channeled is hardly what I would call "live on". Also, what do you think Pearl would think she'd have to channel her dead cousin every time you just wanna see Maya? It's also disrespectful to the dead and the medium to just nonchalantly want the medium to channel the dead like that. They're not tools for your own desires
It may sound like I'm being too serious about this, but it's to counter the nonchalance... :ron:
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Nurio wrote:
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Nurio wrote:
Now that's a bit of a nonchalant attitude... =P

I don't see what's wrong. Maya may die,but like Mia,she'll still live on. This is the best case scenario to me.

Getting channeled is hardly what I would call "live on". Also, what do you think Pearl would think she'd have to channel her dead cousin every time you just wanna see Maya? It's also disrespectful to the dead and the medium to just nonchalantly want the medium to channel the dead like that. They're not tools for your own desires
It may sound like I'm being too serious about this, but it's to counter the nonchalance... :ron:

"Even when the body dies,
the spirit, the ego, it lives
on... forever."

In my opinion, I think the legacy is what matters the most. Mia's legacy was one of most important things Phoenix valued. So in a way, the spirits are still alive, but within the minds of others.
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