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Re: Adrian Andrews: Lesbian or LESBIAN?Topic%20Title
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Wait, there's Fran/Adrian hate on the kink meme? Where? I see requests that say "no Franziska/Adrian," but it pretty much always seems like "I know this is what jumps to people's minds first when they see 'femslash,' but I'd like something different, please" rather than hatred of the pairing.


This.

The Kink Meme is blissfully devoid of a lot of the rabid, ignorant wank you get in a lot of threads here on CR. It's a nice change.
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Miss Prince wrote:
Wait, there's Fran/Adrian hate on the kink meme? Where? I see requests that say "no Franziska/Adrian," but it pretty much always seems like "I know this is what jumps to people's minds first when they see 'femslash,' but I'd like something different, please" rather than hatred of the pairing.


I think there isn't a lot in the meme itself, but if you go over to the discussion post and have a look around where people list their favourite/worst pairings, Franziska/Adrian actually does get a bit of a bashing. {I read the whole thing one night and it depressed me heh. :sadshoe: }

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aquachump wrote:
I think there isn't a lot in the meme itself, but if you go over to the discussion post and have a look around where people list their favourite/worst pairings, Franziska/Adrian actually does get a bit of a bashing. {I read the whole thing one night and it depressed me heh. :sadshoe: }


This.
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion about pairings, so whatever, but it still makes me sad. F/A is the only lesbian pairing that makes sense to me, and I love it.
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Then it's a good thing I havent read this meme. I might get all gumshoe at them, in more ways than one pal.

Yes, Franziska/Adrian is the only same sex pairing that makes sense, and had lots of hints, and very obvious ones to that matter in the 2 games. I would know, I just finished both of them again just a few weeks ago.

Fradrian forever whoohooo !!!!! So HOT! So HOT! so HOT!
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Josef, the meme isn't actually that bad. It isn't bad at all really, there's not really any open flaming, and you can get some good fic/art from time to time. I guess it's just because ... well, I don't know. But yes. It's not bad. :P

Actually, to be honest any hints at the pairing went completely over my head when I played the games, even despite it being a constant issue of interest for me in everything and also being interested just in Adrian herself - it wasn't even really until I dipped into the fandom that it was like, "they said WHAT in the game?!" I'm not sure why ... maybe because it took me a long time to warm to Franzy too. And then she became my favourite character, so go figure. XD;

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I'll admit I'm less into Franziska/Adrian right now. I'm more into slashing Iris with every woman I can think of :B
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To be honest, Adrian is also the only person I can actually see Fran with too. I don't like her with Miles because I think of them as siblings, I don't like her with Gumshoe because it doesn't really make sense to me and Gumshoe is with Maggey anyway, and Fran/Phoenix or Fran/Maya doesn't make any sense to me either.
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Pink Princess wrote:
To be honest, Adrian is also the only person I can actually see Fran with too. I don't like her with Miles because I think of them as siblings, I don't like her with Gumshoe because it doesn't really make sense to me and Gumshoe is with Maggey anyway, and Fran/Phoenix or Fran/Maya doesn't make any sense to me either.


:edgy: Completely agree with you here.

Although, sometimes I think I can see where the Franziska/Phoenix ship vaguely comes from (in part because he says that piece about her being cute??) ... but where it's left off in the game? it'd take a pretty big shift for them to be able to be in a relatively normal romantic relationship (even a non-scary friendship).
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Why does everyone think Adrian is a lesbian just because she's friends with franziska?




And if she is a lesbian, i've wasted a lot of my time.

I'm just kidding about that last bit. :phoenix:
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gumshoe1994 wrote:
Why does everyone think Adrian is a lesbian just because she's friends with franziska?


Thaaaaaat's not really why. People have a whole bunch of reasons but I'm probably not the best one to explain it. -is exhausted- :eh?:
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Gonna have to go with LESBIAN.


It doesn't count when you make her a dude. :no-no:
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Been a long-time supporter of this pairing ever since I had my old account on here. XD
This pair makes a lot of sense to me. Adrian is a little co-dependent and needs someone strong to give her that boost.
And we all know Franziska is quite the strong lady.

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I know i'll get whipped for saying this,but despite being a fan of both charectars,i greatly disaprove of the franziska/adrian pairing
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Hooray! Ever since I registered to this forum I've been secretly hoping this thread would come back to life. *nerd*
But really, I was convinced Adrian was gay half-way into the case, if not earlier. The line that sealed the deal for me was the one about Matt being able to get any woman except for her.

As for the kink meme, I wrote a piece of Adrian/Franziska smex there...
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I just don't see it. :sawit:

The only pairing with :franny: that makes any sense and has backing of any kind is of :franny: x :phoenix: but, Franziska needs to grow up a bit so I don't expect much of their mutual crush till at least GS5 or 6. :hobohodo:

Ack, I don't like discussing ships it always ends in fire and brimstone. :karma:

If you dig Fradrian, that's your thing :edgy:
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Ack, I don't like discussing ships it always ends in fire and brimstone. :karma:

Unfortunately true.


The thing about Franziska is that because she's extremely domineering and a bit bitchy, she wouldn't do good in a relationship with anyone...except maybe Adrian, due to her slight/massive codependency. This is probably part of the reason why it's shipped, and of course the other reason? People like it. I myself don't, but that's another story.
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Adrain is Really, REALLY. Gay. Not sure about Franziska though.

Btw. I only think Adrian is a lezo because of her mentor thing... And not tottally digging Matt I mean he is HOT. :luke-side:
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Adrain is Really, REALLY. Gay. Not sure about Franziska though.

Btw. I only think Adrian is a lezo because of her mentor thing... And not tottally digging Matt I mean he is HOT. :luke-side:


...okay, I could see the mentor thing, possibly, but if you think Adrian being a lesbian is the reason why she doesn't dig Matt, then I think you need to play the case again because you seem to have missed a few key points of the story.
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Adrian in black wrote:
Detective Daryan wrote:
Adrain is Really, REALLY. Gay. Not sure about Franziska though.

Btw. I only think Adrian is a lezo because of her mentor thing... And not tottally digging Matt I mean he is HOT. :luke-side:


...okay, I could see the mentor thing, possibly, but if you think Adrian being a lesbian is the reason why she doesn't dig Matt, then I think you need to play the case again because you seem to have missed a few key points of the story.


Whoops, Sorry. I forgot he made her mentor kill herself. Sorry again.
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Detective Daryan wrote:
Adrian in black wrote:
Detective Daryan wrote:
Adrain is Really, REALLY. Gay. Not sure about Franziska though.

Btw. I only think Adrian is a lezo because of her mentor thing... And not tottally digging Matt I mean he is HOT. :luke-side:


...okay, I could see the mentor thing, possibly, but if you think Adrian being a lesbian is the reason why she doesn't dig Matt, then I think you need to play the case again because you seem to have missed a few key points of the story.


Whoops, Sorry. I forgot he made her mentor kill herself. Sorry again.


as for the mentor thing,i supose apollo is gay becouse his mentor is kristof *sarcasm*
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Oh my, this thread is alive!
I always wanted to post here :larry:
I really love Franziska/Adrian...
I think that Celeste was bisexual, and had a "thing" for Adrian, sooo, Celeste was the one who made adrian gay :P
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Whoops, Sorry. I forgot he made her mentor kill herself. Sorry again.[/quote]

as for the mentor thing,i supose apollo is gay becouse his mentor is kristof *sarcasm*[/quote]

But would Justice Kill himself for Kristoph?
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Whoops, Sorry. I forgot he made her mentor kill herself. Sorry again.


as for the mentor thing,i supose apollo is gay becouse his mentor is kristof *sarcasm*[/quote]

But would Justice Kill himself for Kristoph?[/quote]

ofcourse not,however,adrian and celeste's relationship was more motherish/doughterish,if not it could be greatly sisterish.

after all,adrian is highly dependant,and didn't want poeple to know of that.
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Phoenix_Justice wrote:
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Whoops, Sorry. I forgot he made her mentor kill herself. Sorry again.


as for the mentor thing,i supose apollo is gay becouse his mentor is kristof *sarcasm*


But would Justice Kill himself for Kristoph?[/quote]

ofcourse not,however,adrian and celeste's relationship was more motherish/doughterish,if not it could be greatly sisterish.

after all,adrian is highly dependant,and didn't want poeple to know of that.[/quote]

Good point, I guess Adrian ain't that gay. Maybe just a feminist.
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Good point, I guess Adrian ain't that gay. Maybe just a feminist.

:objection:

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Good point, I guess Adrian ain't that gay. Maybe just a feminist.

:objection:

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Adrian in black wrote:
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Detective Daryan wrote:

Good point, I guess Adrian ain't that gay. Maybe just a feminist.

:objection:

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Auraion wrote:
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Good point, I guess Adrian ain't that gay. Maybe just a feminist.

:objection:

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Ha..Ha..HA!!!

Anyway. Adrain MAY be lesbian. She always get's the unhealthy dependece thing on women,
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Auraion wrote:
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Good point, I guess Adrian ain't that gay. Maybe just a feminist.

:objection:

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Ha..Ha..HA!!!

Anyway. Adrain MAY be lesbian. She always get's the unhealthy dependece thing on women,


I think it's a possibility, but I don't think her dependency has anything to do with it. We might be inclined to think that way since we've only had women as examples of the people Adrian looks up to and/or is dependent upon. If Celeste had actually been a man, teaching Adrian everything about show business, and then departed suddenly or committed suicide, I think Adrian still would have fallen apart without her 'pillar of strength.' The same goes for the prosecutor in Matt's trial. If Payne, Edgeworth, or Godot (if he was awake then) had gotten to Adrian before Franziska did, she would probably display some fierce 'devotion' to them as well. Adrian's dependency isn't said to be limited to a specific gender, she just looks to some person that she can think of as her rock. That's why she's imitating Celeste long after her death; it makes it seem like she's still there.

Damn, now I've gone and depressed myself. Hehehhehe.

On the other hand, I could see Adrian's revenge on Matt stemming from a possible romantic interest in Celeste. If she thought, "Neither he nor Juan treated her right, and I could have treated her better," that would definitely put a different spin on her motive in the game.

But if you ask me, I think just Celeste was something of a matronly figure in Adrian's life.
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adrian andrews might have been emotionally attached,but there's nothing that show's any type of romantic feelings towerd's either celeste or franziska,nothing official has been announced to show lesbianity in any of the three,in fact,celeste was to marry joan,how could she have any romantic inerest with adrian or vice versa?
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in fact,celeste was to marry joan,how could she have any romantic inerest with adrian


You've obviously never heard of bisexuality. And if I knew a woman was going to marry someone named "Joan," I'd probably think she was a lesbian. :moe-laugh:

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Icarus wrote:
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in fact,celeste was to marry joan,how could she have any romantic inerest with adrian


You've obviously never heard of bisexuality. And if I knew a woman was going to marry someone named "Joan," I'd probably think she was a lesbian. :moe-laugh:

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or vice versa?


You've obviously never heard of one-sided crushes.


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either way,there's absolutly no way celeste was romantically involved with both joan and adrian,for i am sure she was but a simple mentor to adrian while had been engaged to joan,there's much more showing her having romantic relationship with joan while nothing show's any romantic relationship between her and adrian,she and joan were once lovers,that is 100%,but her being lesbian for adrian is too much unlikly to be taken seriesly into account.

as for the one sided crush,adrian was simply emotionally attached as she always is with whoever she is dependant on,are you telling me that she's romantically attached to all who she was dependant on?
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Phoenix_Justice wrote:
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in fact,celeste was to marry joan,how could she have any romantic inerest with adrian


You've obviously never heard of bisexuality. And if I knew a woman was going to marry someone named "Joan," I'd probably think she was a lesbian. :moe-laugh:

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or vice versa?


You've obviously never heard of one-sided crushes.


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either way,there's absolutly no way celeste was romantically involved with both joan and adrian,for i am sure she was but a simple mentor to adrian while had been engaged to joan,there's much more showing her having romantic relationship with joan while nothing show's any romantic relationship between her and adrian,she and joan were once lovers,that is 100%,but her being lesbian for adrian is too much unlikly to be taken seriesly into account.

as for the one sided crush,adrian was simply emotionally attached as she always is with whoever she is dependant on,are you telling me that she's romantically attached to all who she was dependant on?




Wow, serious business.

It's just a crack pairing, no chance of canon with a lot of fanwank.

That said....

The picture submitted as evidence seems legit to me. :hotti:
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