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Dahlia's real hair color? (Semi-spoilers)Topic%20Title
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Is it red or black? 'Cause you-know-who has black hair, so....
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In the bridge flashback-within a flashback Dahlia is shown with black hair, I assume that the only reason Dahlia has red hair in the game is to make her look more demonic and so you can tell the difference between her and Iris.
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In the bridge flashback-within a flashback Dahlia is shown with black hair, I assume that the only reason Dahlia has red hair in the game is to make her look more demonic and so you can tell the difference between her and Iris.


But it was also sepia, which could've made the red look like black...

I suspect that's it's actually black, too, but because Iris has black hair, and I think Dahlia dyes it red. After all, which is going to be the one with the dye: the one in the town/city with all the stores and connections, or the one in the secluded mountain temple who-knows-how-many miles away.

But I'm just checking ^_^
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I think I know which picture you're referring to, but that picture was also black-and-white/sepia, so it may have just been a very dark red. You beat me to the punch, Bad Player.
Though it'd make more sense for them to have the same hair color, I'd be inclined to think of Dahlia's as naturally red just because
Spoiler: 3-5
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^ This.
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So seeing as they are identical twins, does that mean that Iris dyes her hair black?
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Are they identical?
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Given that they look the same, I'd say yes! :welly:
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Fraternal twins can look the same, too.
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The color tone of Dahlia hair color is far too red to be natural. Plus it would make more sense for Dahlia to have black hair because Morgan does as well.

As for Pearl- brown hair is more dominant than black. Pearl's father most likely had brown hair for that reason. But I digress :pearl:
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I'd dispute the "too red to be natural" claim, but I don't feel like looking it up to double-check my information. This is a game with characters that have bright orange skin, though.
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
I'd dispute the "too red to be natural" claim, but I don't feel like looking it up to double-check my information. This is a game with characters that have bright orange skin, though.

Could be a sunburn. :larry2: *shot*

Anyway, animes can use all kinds of hair colors. Take Fire Emblem, for example; they have hair colors ranging from pink to blue to green and even more... Compared to that, red seems pretty natural. ^^
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The color tone of Dahlia hair color is far too red to be natural. Plus it would make more sense for Dahlia to have black hair because Morgan does as well.


April may has pink hair.
Edgeworth has gray hair. (and we know it's natural. Well, either it's natural or he was dyeing it when he was 9 years old)
Franny has blue hair.
Redd has purple hair.
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Luke has two-tone hair.
Lisa has blue hair.
Vera has blue-purple hair.
Wocky has THREE-tone hair. (doesn't hold a candle to Yugi, tho)

I'd think red would be normal...


And WallOfIllusion, that's a very good point with the spirit....
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I'd have to go with the theory that Dahlia dyed her hair red. It makes sense, not only considering both her twin sister and her mother have black hair, but there was the fact that:
Spoiler: Case 3-4
Dahlia was thought to be deceased after jumping off of Dusky Bridge. Perhaps she was trying to hide her identity?


However, I could see the argument that it was the other way around:
Spoiler: Most of T&t
For, what was it, six months(?), Iris pretended to be Dahlia while she was dating Young!Phoenix. Rather than dye her hair specifically for that purpose, it's possible that Iris had red hair already, and dyed it sometime before the events of case 3-5. After all, she does have a cell phone and a snowmobile; she could have easily driven to the local 7-11 if she could get all the way out to the University.


I hope that makes sense. I don't really have any definitive evidence.
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I think they're twins who have seperate hair colors. I mean, Dahlia's is obivously natural, and I don't see much of a reason for Iris to dye hers, so they're twins, with seperate hair colors.
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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
I don't see much of a reason for Iris to dye hers.


Well, she must have at some point because Phoenix couldn't tell her and Dahlia apart.
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The Turtle Guy wrote:
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I don't see much of a reason for Iris to dye hers.


Well, she must have at some point because Phoenix couldn't tell her and Dahlia apart.


Maybe because they're twins? That would explain it. Besides,
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I think even college-era Phoenix would have noticed if his red-haired girlfriend had black hair the day after they first met, all the way up until Doug's death when she coincidentaly had red hair again.

Besides, Phoenix probably would have been a lot more suspicious of Iris when he met her again at Hazakura if "Dollie" had black hair most of the time they dated.
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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
I think they're twins who have seperate hair colors.


Unless they're fraternal, that's kinda impossible =\
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I'm going to answer this from a meta point of view.

The game was made in Japan. In Japan, the overwhelming majority of people have naturally black hair. However, in anime and games, the characters frequently have a wide variety of hair colors. I would assume it would be natural, given this, that the Japanese kind of ignore hair color as an indicator of familial connections.

It is a device for the player to tell them apart. Other, presumably identical twins in anime/manga/games have been given different hair colors. And I get the sense from the game that Dahlia and Iris were intended as identical twins; that is what I firmly believe, at any rate . Given the fact that hair color is not addressed at all despite several glaring questions it raises (Iris and Dahlia switching, channeling issues), it seems that it wasn't really considered an issue, and the hair colors were for the player's benefit, and also as an indicator of Dahlia's inner character.

Any number of explanations can be given and debated within the actual game canon.
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Bad Player wrote:
Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
I think they're twins who have seperate hair colors.


Unless they're fraternal, that's kinda impossible =\


They're obivously fraternal, then, despite how much they look alike.


...or maybe the post above me makes more sense?
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jemmikah wrote:
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For, what was it, six months(?), Iris pretended to be Dahlia while she was dating Young!Phoenix. Rather than dye her hair specifically for that purpose, it's possible that Iris had red hair already, and dyed it sometime before the events of case 3-5. After all, she does have a cell phone and a snowmobile; she could have easily driven to the local 7-11 if she could get all the way out to the University.


So much for nuns taking a vow of poverty :nick:

Anyway, I'm plumping for Iris dying her hair, continuosly for 6 months.
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I believe that Dahlias true hair color was really black.. Like Iris's, but she dyed it red after
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she washed up from Eagle Lake (3-4).. I mean she did say she wanted to change her identity.. Right?
Thats what I think. :ami:
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Given the fact that hair color is not addressed at all despite several glaring questions it raises (Iris and Dahlia switching, channeling issues), it seems that it wasn't really considered an issue, and the hair colors were for the player's benefit, and also as an indicator of Dahlia's inner character.


(Not putting this stuff in spoiler tags since we've already had enough not-tagged spoilers :P)
For the switch when they were dating Phoenix, one of them probably just dyed her hair.

And there isn't an issue at all with channeling. When a spirit medium channels a spirit, although her body type changes, her hair color remains the same (as seen when Pearl and Maya channel Mia, since she doesn't retain her brown hair). Since Maya was channeling Dahlia, at that point Dahlia had black hair and could switch with Iris.



Oh, and super-fantabulous new idea: They're both bald, and just wear wigs :sawit: (So like, when they switched places to date Phoenix, they just swapped wigs!)
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I actually think that they both have red hair but they never wash their hair. The black color is only dirt and when dahlia ffell into the river the dirt got washed away and she needed to change identity so she keep washing her hair.
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Hey, uh... What if...?
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Iris just told him she dyed her hair? I mean, Phoenix would've bought that.

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It's possible, but again, my fifth post.
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Well, yeah, but
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As far as Phoenix knew, Dahlia was still in prison. There was no way she could escape and not have it be all over the news.

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Hmm... I think I'd have to agree with Franzise here.

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Phoenix only agreed to go 'cause Iris looked like Dahlia. When he met her, he really wasn't sure if it was her or just coincidence. If Iris had black hair the six months she was with Phoenix, Phoenix would have come to see Dahlia as black-haired. So then he would've seen Iris as the Dahlia he knew, and I'm guessing would have been much more sure that it wasn't just a coincidence. Hair color (even though it can be easily altered) is a dramatic difference, and is why I believe Phoenix was so tentative with it instead of being more convinced and resolute about it.

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Dollie's hair is most likely naturally red because of
Spoiler: 3-5
the exorcism showing her hair as red which someone already mentioned here.


Also
Spoiler: 3-1, 3-5
Iris probably died her hair red while dating Feenie.


Methinks Iris and Dollie are fraternal anyway, it is possible for fraternal twins to still look alike. (I mean, siblings/cousins can look a lot alike.)

Also I don't know if the writers did this intentionally or not, but in 3-5, Edgey states that he couldn't find Iris's fingerprints anywhere on his case files. This proves that Iris and Dollie are fraternal, because identical twins would have the same fingerprints. (Although maybe they just did that to reinforce that Iris =/= Dahlia.)
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This proves that Iris and Dollie are fraternal, because identical twins would have the same fingerprints. (Although maybe they just did that to reinforce that Iris =/= Dahlia.)

That's actually not true. Even identical twins have different fingerprints.
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Well there's the whole thing that Ini's hair is redder, so it is possible for her hair to be red.

Iris and Dahlia are probably fraternal twins, or maybe the hair color is the only physical difference between them? Who knows? Point is, there's no acutal reason for her to dye her hair...
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I guess it's possible that after Dahlia's conviction, Iris decided to dye her hair black because having to look at herself with red hair was too painful after losing her sister...

That's a bit of a stretch, though, and I don't particularly like that explanation.
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
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This proves that Iris and Dollie are fraternal, because identical twins would have the same fingerprints. (Although maybe they just did that to reinforce that Iris =/= Dahlia.)

That's actually not true. Even identical twins have different fingerprints.


Yep. Fingerprints aren't genetic. They are caused by pressure on the baby in the womb (or something like that--it has to do with the physical conditions of the womb) and since when you have identical twins, they are in different parts of the womb (close to each other, but still different parts) they get different fingerprints.


Perhaps they are both originally dark-haired, but Dahlia dyed her hair red after the whole fake kidnapping (prior to 3-4. I don't need to put that in spoiler tags, right? I mean, we're talking about 3-5, and you have to have played 3-4 to get to 3-5... w/e.) I mean, that would change her appearance a bit....

Oh, and I finally got a counter to that spirit debate :) When we Dahlia's spirit, her hair is tied up in that hairdo of hers. Now, the spirit would be her 'natural' self, and I don't think she came out of Morgan with her hair like that. (DO NOT POST PICS PROVING ME WRONG. I BEG YOU.) So I think we can assume that that means that her spirit-form became what she looked like when she died. And if her spirit-form can have hair-style of when she died, why can't it have the color/hair dye of when she died?
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Wasnt it Dahlia who said that they were identical twins? Or am I mistaken and pulling that out of thin air.
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Wasnt it Dahlia who said that they were identical twins? Or am I mistaken and pulling that out of thin air.


She might have not known better.

Anyway, I still think they're either fraternal with seperate hair colors, or identical with the same problem, since even identical twins have some feature so you can tell them apart.

Also for the fingerprinting, since they came from the same womb, they would have SOME resemblance between each other, but they wouldn't be totally the same.
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Oops, scratch my fingerprint idea then. But still, like P_A said, you'd think they'd be slightly similar... Oh well, I was going out on a limb there, anyway.

I still think they're just fraternal twins who look kind of alike.
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Maro-chan wrote:
I still think they're just fraternal twins who look kind of alike.


If they only looked 'kind of alike', Phoenix would've noticed when they switched places. :yuusaku:
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Wasnt it Dahlia who said that they were identical twins? Or am I mistaken and pulling that out of thin air.

:that-b-word: She and I look absolutely identical. No one can tell us apart.

That's as close as anyone gets to saying they're identical twins.
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