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Author: | SD-Rim_6 [ Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:20 am ] |
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I think Dahlia because not only is her body count higher. She also was a criminal mastermind at the age of 14 and she was able to easily manipulate the people close to her. The only person Morgan could get to was Pearl but that was because she was to young to understand. Dahlia was able to get to Doug, Phoenix, Terry, and Iris for her own personal gain. Because was a bigger master at using people I think that is what makes her more evil |
Author: | G0dot [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:52 am ] |
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Obviously I would say Dahlia is the more diabolical one. And the reasons are justified, she plotted to rob her parents, she killed her step sister, attempted to kill Maya and Godot, not to mention poisoning Diego. I mean Morgan didn't have the guts to kill someone herself I mean she needed a fucking partner. |
Author: | godot_blend_#107 [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:02 pm ] |
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morgan she wanted to do everything for pearls, even murder pearls idol |
Author: | Akiak [ Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:01 pm ] |
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Dahlia, by a lot. I mean, I just counted all her crimes, and they are seven. That obviously includes also the trying to kill Maya at the end, even though she didn't succeed. Morgan on the other hand, was merely an accomplice to two crimes. She stands no chance! |
Author: | brailey [ Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:13 pm ] |
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Even though I would love to pin all of the fault on Morgan and her obvious selfishness (and wanting to live life and regain her pride through Pearl), I must go with Dahlia. She was just plain evil. Even after everything she never learned her lesson. Even in DEATH, for heavens sake. I've never so fully hated a character like I did her. |
Author: | UberWill [ Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:31 pm ] |
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Dahlia. Without a doubt. Think about it. When Mia's spirit told Dahlia how she kept failing and all that, what on earth was that coming out of Dahlia when she left Maya's body? Not just her spirit. I personally believe that Dahlia was maybe closely related to the Devil. Not as in sibling or cousin but...well, you know. |
Author: | Franzise Deauxnim [ Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:44 pm ] |
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Akiak wrote: Morgan on the other hand, was merely an accomplice to two crimes. She stands no chance! Uh, Morgan wasn't an accomplice. She masterminded 2-2 and 3-5. Mimi and Dahlia were the accomplices. G0dot wrote: I mean Morgan didn't have the guts to kill someone herself I mean she needed a fucking partner. Please explain why getting someone else to kill someone for you is somehow not as bad as killing that person yourself. |
Author: | Greener223 [ Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:39 pm ] |
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dahlia, cause she actually did all the work |
Author: | Little Magician [ Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:26 am ] |
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JasmineJustice wrote: Oh, definitely Dahlia. She gave poor Fawles a poisoned bottle and framed him for her killing of Valerie-her own stepsister. She hid evidence with Phoenix and framed him for Swallow's murder. She tried to frame Iris-AND MAYA-for Misty's murder. Exactly. And Morgan only wanted to kill one person, so Morgan would be 'honoured.' Where as Dahlia killed...Terry, Doug, nearly Phoenix, nearly Maya, and would've killed Mia. Dahlia killed to save herself, or to get revenge. Motive for Terry: So Dahlia would not be found out. Doug: So no one would find out Dahlia stole poison. Nick: To get incriminating evidence back. Maya: To get revenge on a dead person. Mia: To satisfy Dahlia, because Mia put Dahlia in jail. AND Dahlia actually planned to kill from the grave. And she was the reason Misty died. |
Author: | s0rrow [ Tue Apr 06, 2010 8:23 pm ] |
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Morgan simply wanted her family to take over as the main family. She doesn't care who dies because that's the way it's always been. Dahlia wanted revenge on Mia, who was ALREADY dead. Dahlia is EVIL. |
Author: | Aurontsubaki [ Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:21 pm ] |
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Definitely Dahlia Hawthorne is most evil of all Phoenix Wright villians. She is also kind of like the devil in disguise, a true manipulator |
Author: | Little Magician [ Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:49 am ] |
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And, originally, Morgan didn't want to kill Maya, although she did agree to let an innocent person be killed... |
Author: | narutosupernova [ Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:18 am ] |
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dahila because she just like a mastermind of criminals |
Author: | All mighty Eye [ Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:52 am ] |
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Morgan was greedy, Dahlia was just...inasane |
Author: | sandalwood [ Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:22 pm ] |
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I'd say Dahlia. Morgan is evil, true, but all her misdeeds are geared towards a reason, getting the power at the Fey family. So, if Morgan were the master of Kurain, I think she wouldn't act that way. As somebody pointed out before, she's greedy, and she'd do anything to satisfy that greediness, but once she'd fulfill her goal, she'd stop. On the other hand, concerning Dahlia I have the opposite feeling, it's like she's being evil for the sake of it. Yes, I know that, for instance, if her father hadn't left Morgan, perhaps she wouldn't have any reason for faking a hostage, but it seems to me that then she'd doing any other evil thing anyway. |
Author: | Little Magician [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 6:24 am ] |
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And Morgan was 'only' reclaiming what was hers - the position of Master. Remember she was the eldest, and Misty stole it. |
Author: | LinkMasterJ [ Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:08 am ] |
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After I played AAI, I can be safe to say that: Spoiler: Even though Pedo Gant and Dahlia "The Devil Incarnate" Hawthorne were tough as hell too. |
Author: | Shiho-chan [ Sun May 09, 2010 3:03 pm ] |
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For me, (hi there! im pretty new here ) I think it would be Morgan. Considering the fact that she gave birth to Dahlia, it would still be too vague. I hypothesize that Dahlia was neglected. My explanation is from her past. His father was a selfish jeweler, her mother was a greedy position stealer, and her step-mom and step-sister weren't sure of their feelings for her. If she stayed at the place where the Fey clan are, or if she stayed with Iris in the temple, then she wouldn't have been such an evil [uhmm... what's the word?] person because she may be able to socialize herself and not bottle up things with only one person to rely on, her sister, Iris. Even though both Dahlia and Iris hated their parents very much, you can see the difference. Iris did not hold any vengeance but Dahlia did. Their father must be really uncaring as to make Dahlia THAT influenced. And of course we know Morgan, right? Another influence would be Valerie Hawthorne's mother [whoever she is...]. Anyway, if you re-assess Valerie's character overview, you can see that she isn't much of a kind person since she cared less of Dahlia jumping from Dusky Bridge to Eagle River. [although i still don't know if Valerie knows another accomplice, Iris again...there is still less evidence if she knows Iris or not.] Morgan, on Dahlia's POV, was very greedy. Well, yes really. And if it weren't for her high pride, she would have focused on trying to prepare for her "supposed-to-be" clan position. But instead, she was just put into the branch family. So, I therefore pick Morgan |
Author: | Atmey [ Tue May 11, 2010 7:03 pm ] |
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Dahlia was a demoness in disguise, only murdering for her own benefits, which was money i think? At least Morgan wanted Pearly to be the master, not get rich. So, i'll go with Dahlia. |
Author: | Shiho-chan [ Mon May 17, 2010 11:25 am ] |
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I don't think Dahlia went all the way to steal a diamond worth a million or two dollars just to get rich. Maybe, since she was already in the right age to do so as she thought, Dahlia would go on her own way. So she needed the money. She must have been twisted because, after that case, she committed crime after crime. A hypothesis would be that she needed the money. She wanted to be free and get revenge on her father for a certain reason. Unfortunately, much people were too noisy [Valerie much ]. She needed to quiet them down for her to not be stopped. And that's where she states that Iris was a backstabber. We can discuss the Iris thingy on a more elaborate and different topic. |
Author: | Menno [ Wed May 19, 2010 4:33 pm ] |
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Morgan, Because she came up with the plan, but Dahlia is very evil too. |
Author: | SophRigh [ Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:29 pm ] |
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Morgan. She worked on a more mental level than a physical level. The way she suckered Pearl into doing something under the impression that she was helping Maya is pretty harsh. I mean, Dahlia killed people and was pretty vindictive, but Morgan was severely messed up. They're both as bad as each other, just working on different levels. Plus, Morgan creeps me out loads D: |
Author: | 16BitsQuaRed [ Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:22 am ] |
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Really, I'm going to have to go with Dahlia. Now, the thing is, Morgan was a horrible person, but what she does barely even registers on the scale used to measure Dahlia's evil. While Morgan repeatedly tries to kill/frame/get rid of Maya over a somewhat pathetic spat, Dahlia commits murder; over and over. Let's list each, shall we? Morgan: 1) Tries to frame niece for murder over some stupid honor thing 2) Tries to kill niece over aforementioned stupid honor thing Dahlia: 1) Kills man as he is about to reveal her secrets (this wouldn't be so bad, except she planned it FIVE YEARS IN FREAKING ADVANCE) 2) Poisons Diego Armando because she thinks he knows too much 3) Tries to kill Feenie, but kills Doug Swallow instead, then tries to pin it on Feenie 4) See Morgan #2 ...actually, after making this I'm torn. Dahlia actually had a halfway decent motive for all her murders, except #4. On the other hand, she did more evil... ...wow, I'm stuck. |
Author: | ProsecutorPressley [ Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:48 am ] |
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Dahlia, she's just really evil... She planned her first kidnapping/murder when she was 14... At least Morgan was kind of doing it for Pearls... |
Author: | Coffee Prosecutor [ Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:59 pm ] |
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ProsecutorPressley wrote: Dahlia, she's just really evil... She planned her first kidnapping/murder when she was 14... At least Morgan was kind of doing it for Pearls... she was not doing it for Pearls she was doing it becuase of pride and crushing the main branch she hated so much Morgan wasn'T thinking about Pearls one second even worse is the fact she used her OWN 8 yeared daughter to do it for her |
Author: | Tinkotin [ Thu Jul 08, 2010 10:56 am ] |
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Morgan, She was just EVIL! Not saying that Daliah wasn't but come on! It's her fault in the first place that she even go born so.... pretty much Morgan. |
Author: | Tinkotin [ Thu Jul 08, 2010 10:59 am ] |
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ProsecutorPressley wrote: Dahlia, she's just really evil... She planned her first kidnapping/murder when she was 14... At least Morgan was kind of doing it for Pearls... Actually she wasn't. She wanted her to do that so that she can become powerful and after that she would prbably kill poor Pearly |
Author: | Nihon Deli [ Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:00 am ] |
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I'd go for simply saying that they're both evil little buggers. Don't start a mother/daughter war, guys! |
Author: | Auste [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:43 am ] |
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I'd say they're pretty tied. Spoiler: The spoilers for JFA and T&T - basically the entirety of their past, begin here. Thus, I wouldn't say one is more evil than the other. They manifest their being evil in different ways and plans and were thrust into various situations, and so cannot be directly compared. Spoiler: One more. |
Author: | ThePRPD [ Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:27 am ] |
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Dahlia is without a doubt more evil. Morgan's motive was to get rid of Maya so Pearls could be the new master. Dahlia is willing to kill anyone and not feel a shred a guilt about it as well as not feeling guilty about the lives she ruined. She is also more manipulative than more Morgan. |
Author: | Coffee Prosecutor [ Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:50 am ] |
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ThePRPD wrote: Dahlia is without a doubt more evil. Morgan's motive was to get rid of Maya so Pearls could be the new master. Dahlia is willing to kill anyone and not feel a shred a guilt about it as well as not feeling guilty about the lives she ruined. She is also more manipulative than more Morgan. dude Morgan did not care a second about Pearls, she simply wanted to have the master's blood in her family, and she wanted the honor, but she didn't gave a shit about Pearls, also she wanted to make Pearls a murdere, dude, that is pretty whack imo |
Author: | Phoenix Minamimoto [ Sun Jul 18, 2010 5:53 am ] |
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I would have to say that Dahlia is more evil. I'm pretty sure this image speaks for itself: |
Author: | End Quote [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:51 pm ] |
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Dahlia killed Diego. No matter what you do, this makes you more evil than anything |
Author: | Coffee Prosecutor [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:52 pm ] |
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End Quote wrote: Dahlia killed Diego. No matter what you do, this makes you more evil than anything Did you finished the whole game yet? Diego killed himself (I know Dahlia poisened Diego, I played the game a couple of times) |
Author: | End Quote [ Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:02 am ] |
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Coffee Prosecutor wrote: End Quote wrote: Dahlia killed Diego. No matter what you do, this makes you more evil than anything Did you finished the whole game yet? Diego killed himself (I know Dahlia poisened Diego, I played the game a couple of times) She tried to kill him by poison, he got in a coma for 5 years and his life was pretty much ruined so that counts as killing to me. But Diego killing himself, is that actual plot? (I finished it for the 1st time this month) |
Author: | Coffee Prosecutor [ Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:24 am ] |
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End Quote wrote: Coffee Prosecutor wrote: End Quote wrote: Dahlia killed Diego. No matter what you do, this makes you more evil than anything Did you finished the whole game yet? Diego killed himself (I know Dahlia poisened Diego, I played the game a couple of times) She tried to kill him by poison, he got in a coma for 5 years and his life was pretty much ruined so that counts as killing to me. But Diego killing himself, is that actual plot? (I finished it for the 1st time this month) he said it, but not that direct. Godot said how much he changed because of that and with the mask Diego died, or something in that direction |
Author: | MiaFeyFan [ Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:50 am ] |
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Spoiler: Rant for Most Evil So yes,Dahlia is by far more evil. She killed 4 people,Absolutely destroid Diego's life,Deeply hurt Mia Fey and almost made her quit law),almost ruined Maya and Pearly's life, Hurt her own sister Iris emotionally,and almost killed Phoenix Wright. Yep she is more evil than Morgan. |
Author: | End Quote [ Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:37 pm ] |
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Forget about that, he was a prick anyway |
Author: | Franzise Deauxnim [ Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:45 pm ] |
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Dahlia did not just 'come back after five years to kill Valerie' Valerie dragged Dahlia out of hiding by telling her 'Hey Imma rat you out now' Mia herself admits that Valerie left Dahlia no other choice but to act There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Dahlia ever had any plans to go after Valerie or Terry or anyone else had Valerie not decided to confess on Dahlia's behalf I really can't understand why so many people either miss this very important point or ignore it completely when the game makes it so clear Not that I'm saying that justifies Dahlia murdering someone but she didn't just show up on a whim to stab Val in the back Self-preservation is a very strong motive I think |
Author: | End Quote [ Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:43 pm ] |
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote: Dahlia did not just 'come back after five years to kill Valerie'
Valerie dragged Dahlia out of hiding by telling her 'Hey Imma rat you out now' Mia herself admits that Valerie left Dahlia no other choice but to act There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Dahlia ever had any plans to go after Valerie or Terry or anyone else had Valerie not decided to confess on Dahlia's behalf I really can't understand why so many people either miss this very important point or ignore it completely when the game makes it so clear Not that I'm saying that justifies Dahlia murdering someone but she didn't just show up on a whim to stab Val in the back Self-preservation is a very strong motive I think |
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