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The Stolen Turnabout - I'm still confused on what happened
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I had alot of trouble on The Stolen Turnabout, and after presenting random evidence for sometime (which was not a good idea...) for the first time, I had to look at the Phoenix Wright T&T Walkthrough on Court-Records. I mean, usually, i can find the contradiction... Especially on the 2nd case! Even after I completed that case, I was and still am confused... Can someone please explain what happened? Thanks.
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It's an entangled, confusing case, isn't it?
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JasmineJustice wrote:
Okay...I'll try...(I hated that case. Ugh.) Kane Bullard was blackmailing Atmey, who was blackmailing Ron DeLite-the true Mask-star-DeMasque. Atmey made a fake picture days before the theft so that he had an alibi for the murder of Bullard. Bullard's blackmail letter to Atmey was planted in DeLite's apartment to get DeLite to go to the CEO's office, where the real killer, Atmey, framed him. At first, the alibi of 'I was in the CEO's Office' lets you save DeLite from the theft charges, but this makes him a suspect of murder. Atmey framed himself as Mask-star-DeMasque to create an alibi for his murder of Bullard.
It's an entangled, confusing case, isn't it?
It's an entangled, confusing case, isn't it?
Well, I understood what happened the first day, but the events of second day really confused me. The whole sacred urn thing confused me. Maybe I'm being like the
, and I just forgot something. But it's the fake picture thing that confuses me. So Atmey just made a fake picture and stole in on the same day that they found out it was stolen? Ehh... Well, thank you, that helps. 
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JasmineJustice wrote:
Okay...I'll try...(I hated that case. Ugh.)
It's an entangled, confusing case, isn't it?
It's an entangled, confusing case, isn't it?
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???
That was a great case!
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Burninator wrote:
JasmineJustice wrote:
Okay...I'll try...(I hated that case. Ugh.)
It's an entangled, confusing case, isn't it?
It's an entangled, confusing case, isn't it?
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???
That was a great case!
+ = EPICNESSI mean, I liked the characters, but it left me very confused...
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Well, I understood what happened the first day, but the events of second day really confused me. The whole sacred urn thing confused me. Maybe I'm being like the , and I just forgot something. But it's the fake picture thing that confuses me. So Atmey just made a fake picture and stole in on the same day that they found out it was stolen? Ehh... Well, thank you, that helps.
Yes, I think so. I'm always happy to be of service. *bows extravagantly*
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JasmineJustice wrote:
Oh, don't get me wrong, I loved playing it, but why, oh WHY, is it so CONVOLUTED?!
Yes, I think so. I'm always happy to be of service. *bows extravagantly*
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Well, I understood what happened the first day, but the events of second day really confused me. The whole sacred urn thing confused me. Maybe I'm being like the , and I just forgot something. But it's the fake picture thing that confuses me. So Atmey just made a fake picture and stole in on the same day that they found out it was stolen? Ehh... Well, thank you, that helps.
Yes, I think so. I'm always happy to be of service. *bows extravagantly*
Once again, thank you very much.
I can be kinda lazy at times, which is my excuse for just asking rather than taking the time to find out.
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Alot of people like Edgey, don't they? Well, I like him too! (Hey, I'm a girl! I can like him, too!)I had to put up with my friends obsession with Ike (He's a Fire Emblem character). And because of my (according to her) "Make my friends like the games I like and want it badly if I talk about it long enough" powers. I was able to make her want the Ace Attorney series; when I brought the first game to her house, she started playing it and wouldn't give it back until I had to leave.
For some really random reason, I explained Turnabout Big Top to my friend... Every little detail. Then someone went, "Why are you talking about goofy clowns at random circus's?"
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Then I got farther in this case the next day and Phoenix explained Double Jeopardy in 1/10 of the time and with an easier to understand description.
Who needs gov't class when you got PW?
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Funny thing is, I first played this case like, last year. The next day in government class we talked about the 5th amendment and Double Jeopardy, and I was all like "say wut?"
Then I got farther in this case the next day and Phoenix explained Double Jeopardy in 1/10 of the time and with an easier to understand description.
Who needs gov't class when you got PW?
Then I got farther in this case the next day and Phoenix explained Double Jeopardy in 1/10 of the time and with an easier to understand description.
Who needs gov't class when you got PW?
Truth.
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Haileyvoir wrote:
Funny thing is, I first played this case like, last year. The next day in government class we talked about the 5th amendment and Double Jeopardy, and I was all like "say wut?"
Then I got farther in this case the next day and Phoenix explained Double Jeopardy in 1/10 of the time and with an easier to understand description.
Who needs gov't class when you got PW?
Then I got farther in this case the next day and Phoenix explained Double Jeopardy in 1/10 of the time and with an easier to understand description.
Who needs gov't class when you got PW?
XD
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The urn was broken long before the crime, and hastily reassembled by Adrian. In the process, it was splattered with paint. After the reassembly, but possibly even before he sent his note, Atmey nabbed the urn. This is how he knew it was "speckled." He used this opportunity to create the photo alibi, and then staged the scene later to make it look like it happened when the murder did.
In other words:
1. Urn arrives and is broken.
2. Atmey steals urn and makes photo alibi.
3. Atmey commits murder and knocks out Ron at the crime scene.
4. Atmey rearranges theft scene before the morning comes, taking care not to set off the camera. This makes it look like the theft happened at the same time as the murder, giving him an alibi.
A sneaky plan - though perhaps a better one would have been to never be tied to the murder at all. But the ID cards leave permanent records, so I suppose that would have been difficult.
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How in the heck did the sword get bent in the first place? If it was straight the day before then when you come back, it's bent, but no one was really there in the first place because they were a KB Security, who bent it? Or how?
Maybe I just missed something or whatever, but if someone could explain it to me that'd be nice.
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Mr_Mutated_Mushroom wrote:
I thought that this case was pretty straightforward, but there was one detail that just bugs me.
How in the heck did the sword get bent in the first place? If it was straight the day before then when you come back, it's bent, but no one was really there in the first place because they were a KB Security, who bent it? Or how?
Maybe I just missed something or whatever, but if someone could explain it to me that'd be nice.
How in the heck did the sword get bent in the first place? If it was straight the day before then when you come back, it's bent, but no one was really there in the first place because they were a KB Security, who bent it? Or how?
Maybe I just missed something or whatever, but if someone could explain it to me that'd be nice.
We're just supposed to assume Luke went back some time during the night to fix the crime scene for the sake of fabricating his story. It isn't clear how he bent the sword, but he probably did it when he went to move the statue.
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Mr_Mutated_Mushroom wrote:
I thought that this case was pretty straightforward, but there was one detail that just bugs me.
I didn't... XD
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Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
The only thing in that case that irked me was this: when Luke's psyche-locks appear, you break his lie and it is revealed that he was thwarted by Masque*DeMasque, but this wasn't true. SO WHAT WAS THAT PSYCHE-LOCK ABOUT THEN?!
Now that I think about it... Yeah! WHAT WAS THAT PSYCHE-LOCK ABOUT?!
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Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
The only thing in that case that irked me was this: when Luke's psyche-locks appear, you break his lie and it is revealed that he was thwarted by Masque*DeMasque, but this wasn't true. SO WHAT WAS THAT PSYCHE-LOCK ABOUT THEN?!
Psycholocks don't appear when someone's lying, they appear when someone has a secret they aren't willing to just give up. Luke was holding out on admitting he was "attacked" because if he spilled the beans right away, it wouldn't be as believable.
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
The only thing in that case that irked me was this: when Luke's psyche-locks appear, you break his lie and it is revealed that he was thwarted by Masque*DeMasque, but this wasn't true. SO WHAT WAS THAT PSYCHE-LOCK ABOUT THEN?!
Psycholocks don't appear when someone's lying, they appear when someone has a secret they aren't willing to just give up. Luke was holding out on admitting he was "attacked" because if he spilled the beans right away, it wouldn't be as believable.
Yeah, but in actuality, Luke never got attacked so it's not a true secrets. And I believe Psyche-locks only appear if you have a real secret.
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
The only thing in that case that irked me was this: when Luke's psyche-locks appear, you break his lie and it is revealed that he was thwarted by Masque*DeMasque, but this wasn't true. SO WHAT WAS THAT PSYCHE-LOCK ABOUT THEN?!
Psycholocks don't appear when someone's lying, they appear when someone has a secret they aren't willing to just give up. Luke was holding out on admitting he was "attacked" because if he spilled the beans right away, it wouldn't be as believable.
Well, the Psyche-Lock appearing makes sense, but the Psyche-Lock dissapearing when we didn't break the secret does not.
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
The only thing in that case that irked me was this: when Luke's psyche-locks appear, you break his lie and it is revealed that he was thwarted by Masque*DeMasque, but this wasn't true. SO WHAT WAS THAT PSYCHE-LOCK ABOUT THEN?!
Psycholocks don't appear when someone's lying, they appear when someone has a secret they aren't willing to just give up. Luke was holding out on admitting he was "attacked" because if he spilled the beans right away, it wouldn't be as believable.
...Psycholocks...?
Oh, I remember...
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
When is it ever stated that secrets have to be "real" or "true"? I can think of very few examples where you learn the whole truth about something just by breaking someone's locks.
It's never explicitly stated, but Pearl says that you can "see the secrets locked deep inside someone's heart" or something to that extent. That really sounds like true secrets.
You usually don't learn the whole truth because the secret they're hiding is usually not the murder itself but something indirectly related to it. A few examples:
Spoiler: JFA and T&T
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Spoiler: JfA, T&T
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Spoiler: JfA, T&T
Here's the thing: Ini presumably said something to the effect of "my sister died in that crash". TRUE.
The others I have no explanation for. Bwuh?
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Ergo, the premise that psycholocks only appear to cover lies and "true" secrets is flawed.
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Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
That's true, but the Psyche-locks only break when the truth is spilled. It doesn't necessarrilly have to be the whole truth, but it soes have to be the truth.
Oh, I know that. I even already agreed with you on that.
Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Spoiler: JfA, T&T
Hmm, I admit, this does come as something surprising to me. For now you win, but I will come back to this! JUST YOU WAIT!
(Of course, I am kidding with the last part)
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Spoiler: JfA, T&T
Spoiler:
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