Now before you yell at me and burn down my house over the fact that Trials and Tribulations was CLEARLY better than Justice For All(which I agree on), hear me out...

Oh and for your information, T&T=Trials and Tribulations, and JFA=Justice For All

Upon playing Justice For all again, I realized the similarites it had with T&T, it felt like when they made the sequel for the first Phoenix Wright game and some fans responded negatively, they made a 3rd game to satisfy the things they wanted to add while keeping the fans happy...

Trials and Tribulations did not really have anything new gameplay wise (playing as someone else does not count), Justice For All introduced Psyche-Locks, a health bar, and profile presenting, what did T&T have?

The story in T&T was definitely better and I can't deny that, the plot was just too good...

If you listen to some of the music in court, you can tell that certain kinds of music are similar for the two games.

Example: The Court Begins theme in JFA was made to sound a little menacing and terrifying, but they could not embrace that until T&T...

Objection Theme: In JFA, they went for a catchier objection theme than the first(although the first is catchy too, just less so...) T&T's objection theme was also catchy, but it sacrificed some of that for some epicness...

Cornered theme: JFA's cornered theme was going for some suspenseful feeling to it, this can sort of be reflected in ceratin parts of T&T's cornered theme...

Announce the Truth always sounds the same in any Ace Attorney game, so no comment. Cross Examination theme is obviously different....

Now onto the cases...these are just some small smilarities....







And that's all for now, if you still think I'm wrong, or don't understand any part of this, or think you have any arguments for or against this theory, then say so here...

I wrote this half tired at 1 in the morning...

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Last edited by Yaragorm on Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:31 am, edited 1 time in total.

Too late.


I honestly didn't expect anything new.


No objections here! Even though almost all of it revolved around Mia and Dahlia. (But JFA was pretty much Edgeworth, Edgeworth, Edgeworth.)


Well, in their defense, it's hard to write a song. I think.


The aim for the songs is to fit the mood. It makes sense that they would sound somewhat similar.


Um, I don't think the weather had any significance in 2-3.


I think 3-5 was far more confusing than 2-2!


That explains a lot.

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I did...



Yes, but to me they seemed way too similar...



Which means they had the same mood to fit into?




I think 2-2 was confusing because of all the fact that Maya shouldn't be arrested in the first place....

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Sounds to me like this is going to be a clash of opinions. I suppose I'm not going to change your mind.



... Yes.


His Honor said in 3-5 that no court would accept spirit channeling (or something along those lines).

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Last edited by GigaHand on Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:10 am, edited 1 time in total.

T&T was like the third book of a trilogy. It didn't need any new gimmicks ; it only had to be a satisfying conclusion to the Phoenix Wright arc.
And apart from the gameplay / graphics, you certainly can't fault the T&T for lack of creativity: the plot, pacing, characters, dialogue, and overall level of emotional intensity were all vastly superior to its predecessor's, however good it was.

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Yeah I guess I can't....but as I keep saying, I did sorta feel cheated off when there was nothing new which I got over pretty quickly....

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Uh, no. Same features, yeah. Similar music, yeah. But revamped version? NO.
To say 'Revamped' implies that it was the SAME GAME, with newer, better graphics, maybe an extra case like 1-5, and new features. But T&T, as you stated, has no new features. It has the same graphical quality as JFA. It is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GAME, set after JFA in the timeline, with new cases and character development, and it is essentially a conclusion to the Phoenix Wright trilogy.
I also thought that the T&T music was most similar to GS1 music Anyway, music doesn't prove your point. If all the games had the same music you wouldn't consider them 'revamped' versions of each other. Plus each game had a different composer.

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They did?

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Yeah.
Masakazu Sugimori for the first, Akemi Kimura for the second, Noriyuki Iwadare for the third.

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You know what? I was practically drunk when writing this so I think it's not even worthwhile.... someone please delete this topic.....

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Added point - The game WAS originally for the GBA way back in 2004...so the addition of new features was definately way more limited for the developers.
Personally, playing as other Attorneys during the game more than made up for a lack of anything 'new' - just because a game is a sequal, doesn't mean it always needs something extra.

Just my thoughts on an otherwise dead topic! 8D

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