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sorry if this has been done before , i am wondering if anyone thinks dahlia is overratted as a PW villian , personally i think she is an interesting villian she is practical a serial killer , killed people to cover up her previous crimes. granted most of her crimes did seem spur of the moment - eg doug swallow
and i may be wrong on this but as far i as i can tell she has no remorse for any of her crimes, not to mention her theme distant traces of beeuty is cool , overall i think dahia is a good villian, does anyone think she is overratted if so why ?
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I think she is. She's a jerk who uses people for her own good. But I look at her this way. She is beautiful but very very sinister. :yuusaku:
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I'd say she's a bit overrated, granted she was a great villain, but I think several other characters in the series are more deserving to be considered the 'best villain'.
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Dahlia's saccharine charms work on people outside of the game. For such a hyped "Big Bad" villain, she was a complete bust, failing to achieve any of her objectives and getting banished to the after life in the end. Even Frank Sahwit managed to accomplish more than her. For all we know, he must have successfully looted numerous apartments prior to his conviction.
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Mr. Bear Jew wrote:
Dahlia's saccharine charms work on people outside of the game. For such a hyped "Big Bad" villain, she was a complete bust, failing to achieve any of her objectives and getting banished to the after life in the end. Even Frank Sahwit managed to accomplish more than her. For all we know, he must have successfully looted numerous apartments prior to his conviction.

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sparkleranger78 wrote:
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Dahlia's saccharine charms work on people outside of the game. For such a hyped "Big Bad" villain, she was a complete bust, failing to achieve any of her objectives and getting banished to the after life in the end. Even Frank Sahwit managed to accomplish more than her. For all we know, he must have successfully looted numerous apartments prior to his conviction.

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Seconded. I stressed that point in my fanfic too.
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Razor2010 wrote:
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Dahlia's saccharine charms work on people outside of the game. For such a hyped "Big Bad" villain, she was a complete bust, failing to achieve any of her objectives and getting banished to the after life in the end. Even Frank Sahwit managed to accomplish more than her. For all we know, he must have successfully looted numerous apartments prior to his conviction.

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Seconded. I stressed that point in my fanfic too.


Third'd,which is why I said there were several characters that were much better villains.
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Razor2010 wrote:
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Dahlia's saccharine charms work on people outside of the game. For such a hyped "Big Bad" villain, she was a complete bust, failing to achieve any of her objectives and getting banished to the after life in the end. Even Frank Sahwit managed to accomplish more than her. For all we know, he must have successfully looted numerous apartments prior to his conviction.

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Seconded. I stressed that point in my fanfic too.

Not to get off topic, but your fanfic was sooo enjoyable for me to read! :pearly: But I saw that in your fanfic too.
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No prob. Comment if you want.
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No prob. Comment if you want.

Will do! :D
I have to admit, when I played T&T and she had those scary eyes in the first case and turned into this :fire: I got soooo freaked out!
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Who wouldn't get freaked out from something as scary and demented as that?
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Who wouldn't get freaked out from something as scary and demented as that?

True...But OMG I was really scared! Even in her normal picture, she had that cruel smirk and dear god she's freaky! :larry:
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Noting the point that she is DEMENTED. She is extremely evil to the core no doubt.
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Noting the point that she is DEMENTED. She is extremely evil to the core no doubt.

Agreed. But I love Iris! She's so sweet!
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sparkleranger78 wrote:
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Noting the point that she is DEMENTED. She is extremely evil to the core no doubt.

Agreed. But I love Iris! She's so sweet!
Noting the point that she is extremely sweet to Phoenix. That's my slight pairing in my fic.
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That's why I love her. :maya:
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I don't see how a character's successes have any bearing on their worth as a villian. Other than Shelley, they were all caught in the end anyway.
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When she looks away its so creepy (her face looks like stone, and those eyes...) 0w0
But she is quite pretty but epic fail
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
I don't see how a character's successes have any bearing on their worth as a villian. Other than Shelley, they were all caught in the end anyway.


Well, you've got villains like Dahlia, who much did her crimes primarily 'spur of the moment,' and then there's villains like Von Karma, who planned out their crimes. It's not so much their worth as a villain, but really how much thought was put into their actions.
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I agree, Dahlia was pretty lame, for reasons already stated by Mr. Bear. I don't even consider her the main villain of the PW arc, that role is occupied by Morgan.

Compared to Matt, she just... lacked something. Matt is a cool villain because he did so much without dirtying his own hands.
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I agree, Dahlia was pretty lame, for reasons already stated by Mr. Bear. I don't even consider her the main villain of the PW arc, that role is occupied by Morgan.

Compared to Matt, she just... lacked something. Matt is a cool villain because he did so much without dirtying his own hands.

Matt was a good villain! He gave me a hard time in 2-4. I started to prove him guilty then OH NO! MAYA!
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Compared to Matt, she just... lacked something. Matt is a cool villain because he did so much without dirtying his own hands.

Matt was a good villain! He gave me a hard time in 2-4. I started to prove him guilty then OH NO! MAYA![/quote]But there is a thing called "Reversal of Fate" or in Phoenix's terms. "TURNABOUT" that will deliver justice there.
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Compared to Matt, she just... lacked something. Matt is a cool villain because he did so much without dirtying his own hands.

Matt was a good villain! He gave me a hard time in 2-4. I started to prove him guilty then OH NO! MAYA!
But there is a thing called "Reversal of Fate" or in Phoenix's terms. "TURNABOUT" that will deliver justice there.[/quote]
Touche! But that case was very difficult. Still good!
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I don't see how a character's successes have any bearing on their worth as a villian. Other than Shelley, they were all caught in the end anyway.

Aren't we forgettin' someone? Like Masque*DeMasque?
OT: I don't think that she's overrated. She even commits murder yet she's death and to bear so much hatred for so long is quite . . .well astonishing
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Touche! But that case was very difficult. Still good!
Besides the fact that it was difficult. It is my fave case of all time for the reason of epic plot twisting.
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Aren't we forgettin' someone? Like Masque*DeMasque?
Well, he is a great thief who steals precious jewelry but his identity is unknown.*coughAtmeycough* He is not really underrated that much though
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Touche! But that case was very difficult. Still good!
Besides the fact that it was difficult. It is my fave case of all time for the reason of epic plot twisting.

Exactly! I loved it when Matt scratched his face off! LOL
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sparkleranger78 wrote:
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Touche! But that case was very difficult. Still good!
Besides the fact that it was difficult. It is my fave case of all time for the reason of epic plot twisting.

Exactly! I loved it when Matt scratched his face off! LOL
Yes, it's that moment when JUSTICE WAS SERVED! :gant:
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"GUILTY!GUILTY!GUILTY!GUILTY!GUILTY!GUILTY!GUILTY!GUILTY!GUILTY!GUILTY!GUILTY!GUILTY!GUILTY!" :scratch:
And Mask*Demasque was caught as
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But the Double Jeopardy rule applied
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sparkleranger78 wrote:
"GUILTY!GUILTY!GUILTY!GUILTY!GUILTY!GUILTY!GUILTY!GUILTY!GUILTY!GUILTY!GUILTY!GUILTY!GUILTY!" :scratch:
And Mask*Demasque was caught as
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Ron DeLite
But the Double Jeopardy rule applied
Yes, Matt will be remembering the pain his scars caused for a very long time.
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MAKE HIM WATCH THE VIDEO!
And With that, Ron was never Mask*Demasque and he never murdered Kane.
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Oh! But didn't Ron come to KB Security with his costume on? And he has the Balloon in his house with the secret thingy.
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As a character, I love her.

As a vaillain, while she did fail practically every time, her hatred for the Feys and Phoenix, enough to come back from the dead in the way she did, leaves me with the impression that she is the greatest villain in the series. Sure, she might not have been as successful as osme of the others, but the fact she affected the lives of practically every main character in a negative way shows that in some way, she did have success, just not through murder.
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Oh! But didn't Ron come to KB Security with his costume on? And he has the Balloon in his house with the secret thingy.
Spoiler: reason for costuming
He thought he was being blackmailed by Bullard about the thefts so he wore it.
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He's an avid fan of DeMasque. He is like the idol for Ron
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As a character, I love her.

As a vaillain, while she did fail practically every time, her hatred for the Feys and Phoenix, enough to come back from the dead in the way she did, leaves me with the impression that she is the greatest villain in the series. Sure, she might not have been as successful as osme of the others, but the fact she affected the lives of practically every main character in a negative way shows that in some way, she did have success, just not through murder.
You do have a point in the negativeness that Dahlia induced. He successfully poisoned Armando. He Killed Swallow too although the real plot didn't work.
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Oh! But didn't Ron come to KB Security with his costume on? And he has the Balloon in his house with the secret thingy.
Spoiler: reason for costuming
He thought he was being blackmailed by Bullard about the thefts so he wore it.
Spoiler: Balloon
He's an avid fan of DeMasque. He is like the idol for Ron
It's been a while since I played that case
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As a character, I love her.

As a vaillain, while she did fail practically every time, her hatred for the Feys and Phoenix, enough to come back from the dead in the way she did, leaves me with the impression that she is the greatest villain in the series. Sure, she might not have been as successful as osme of the others, but the fact she affected the lives of practically every main character in a negative way shows that in some way, she did have success, just not through murder.
You do have a point in the negativeness that Dahlia induced. He successfully poisoned Armando. He Killed Swallow too although the real plot didn't work.
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Internet connection fail you had there, hahaha. :P

I think her greatest success was either the poisoning of Armando or nearly killing Phoenix, as she left him scarred. (While the real plot failed, admittedly.)
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I was misunderstood and this thread grows fast :meekins:
I mean:that Ron Delite never was caught. He was Masque Demasque after all, he did all the thefts , yet he did not planned them. Luke Atmey planned them for him and he had the balloon due to the fact that he needed it for his job.
Atmey was simply a blackmailer and Ron came into KB security as Masque Demasque what caused the huge contradiction in Atmey's testimony.

I wonder if it is with Dahlia and Iris as it was with Snake and Liquid. Afterall, Dahlia is a total evil bitch and Iris is the friendliness in person. Just wondering though. . .
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I was misunderstood and this thread grows fast :meekins:
I mean:that Ron Delite never was caught. He was Masque Demasque after all, he did all the thefts , yet he did not planned them. Luke Atmey planned them for him and he had the balloon due to the fact that he needed it for his job.
Atmey was simply a blackmailer and Ron came into KB security as Masque Demasque what caused the huge contradiction in Atmey's testimony.

I wonder if it is with Dahlia and Iris as it was with Snake and Liquid. Afterall, Dahlia is a total evil bitch and Iris is the friendliness in person. Just wondering though. . .

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sparkleranger78 wrote:
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I was misunderstood and this thread grows fast :meekins:
I mean:that Ron Delite never was caught. He was Masque Demasque after all, he did all the thefts , yet he did not planned them. Luke Atmey planned them for him and he had the balloon due to the fact that he needed it for his job.
Atmey was simply a blackmailer and Ron came into KB security as Masque Demasque what caused the huge contradiction in Atmey's testimony.

I wonder if it is with Dahlia and Iris as it was with Snake and Liquid. Afterall, Dahlia is a total evil bitch and Iris is the friendliness in person. Just wondering though. . .

agreed.
Seconded. But somehow the balloon was in the hideout of Ron. Nice references to Metal Gear.
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Dahlia is cool. Iris on the other hand... what a twat.
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