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We have a thread for GS6, so why not have one for GK3? And on the side, we can discuss what punishment Edgeworth's cravat will go through in this game.

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Have Kay die! Or disappear, go the Misty Fey route. Or even make her get into an accident that leaves her out of the game for majority of the duration of it.

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Although considering what I have seen of screenshots and sprites of Kay in GK2, that last one seems to be the case in that game.


I would like them to tone it down on the cameo characters. It's nice to see them, maybe see what they are up to after their respective cases are over, but I don't want to see a cameo in every GK game for the pure sake of having a cameo.

A pet peeve, but I don't want them to refer to Phoenix as "that guy" or "him" or any other "vague" term again. I doubt mentioning his name will pull the attention away from Edgeworth. So I would like a change in that.

An idea for GK3, in my opinion, would be to make the logic a bit more complicated. Don't have obvious connections be the obvious ones to do, make the correct connections be the ones that you have to think various corners around for to figure out.

Like in previous GK cases, I'm going through one logic connection after the other, until the game finally "lets" me get to the logic connection that I had already figured out a good time beforehand. I could've finished the case earlier, had the game realized that I could think around corners and realize that Missing Tape = Tape is in VCR of crime scene = Gunshot was faked much earlier. But no, instead, the game has me figure out the Perfume Bottle = Open Window = Chance of hearing the (fake) Gunshot and some other stuff on the side.

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I'd love for the Logic system to evolve into something like in Trick DS, with the freedom to connect several facts to form hypotheses (-> it's possible to form wrong hypotheses, but which do logically follow from the facts used). In Trick, you use those hypotheses in arguments, but because it wouldn't work that well in a GS-style confrontation, they could at least make the investigation modes more challenging by offering fake logic-conclusions. Penalties wouldn't be given for wrong conclusions in layer 1 logic-conclusions (or else you wouldn't be able to get false hypotheses), but only at deeper levels (1+2=3. 4+5=6 are penalty-less, but 3+6 would be given a penalty).

And regarding story, it's maybe because I've lately seen Aibou (and I like Odoru Daisousen), but I'd like to see more of the police organization in the GS world. Because police =/= prosecution. Gumshoe for example is a precinct (所轄) cop, so there'd be material for arguments regarding jurisdiction between the larger structures (NPA, MPD). GK as a setting would be ideal for this.
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Rewatching a commentated playthrough of Kindaichi Shounen no Jikenbo - Hoshimitou Kanashimi no Fukushuuki gave me a fun idea for a bonus scenario, though I doubt it would ever really be implemented in the series.

The game mentioned above is quite revolutionary, because it's a detective game where you play the murderer. Based on the popular Kindaichi Shounen no Jikenbo detective manga, your goal is to outwit the series protagonist (err... antagonist now) and commit the perfect crime. Choose the right method of murder, don't leave any clues and get scot-free! It's basically what you'd have if you'd make Columbo in a game.

While this wouldn't work for Edgeworth, why not make a Payne bonus scenario? So you play as a (sympathetic) murderer and you need to collect items and clues to come up with the perfect murder (=> logic system). Maybe give you the option of arriving at several different types of murder. And then the direct 'cleaning' up after the murder (do you move this, or don't you? Where do you leave that one piece of incriminating evidence). And then Payne arrives to investigate the murder, resulting in the confrontations we know from the GK series. Can you outwit Payne by showing (faked) evidence you didn't do it? Did you cover up all your tracks? Can you beat the Rookie Killer?!
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Wouldn't that be incredibly easy? Payne trusted a random passing stranger over a police officer, and look what happened in The Lost Turnabout.
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I like to think that Payne can be fearsomely sharp at times. In fact, Payne should appear as his usual self at the beginning of the scenario, only with the first questioning turning out to be a wake-up call boss-level questioning with an almost demon-like Payne. Red Arrimer-level evilness, I want for this bonus scenario.
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The HSQ taken to the next level... It sounds so inanely outstanding. I like it!

So, would this take place shortly after GK2 or some time closer to GS4/5?
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Hmm, maybe around the middle of the seven year gap? Wait, 'contemporary' Payne didn't appear in GS3 (did he appear in the credits?), so he had a eight year blank. For all we know, he might have peaked as a prosecutor then, only to fall back slowly until he reached his normal level in GS4. It's just a bonus scenario, so it can be kept quite vague regarding year.
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Hmm, maybe around the middle of the seven year gap? Wait, 'contemporary' Payne didn't appear in GS3 (did he appear in the credits?), so he had a eight year blank. For all we know, he might have peaked as a prosecutor then, only to fall back slowly until he reached his normal level in GS4. It's just a bonus scenario, so it can be kept quite vague regarding year.


Well, we do know that Payne went on quite the winning streak at one point in time (at least, that's what he claims), and I'm sure they don't call him the 'Rookie Killer' for nothing, so it wouldn't be surprising if he went on another winning streak during the 8 year gap between GS2 and GS4. That's probably the reason why his hair ended up growing back, because he started regaining his confidence.
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Hm, He was in the GS3, winning with "Phoenix Wright" (Tigre) and in the interrupted trial of Luke Atmey.
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I would definitely want GK3 to take place after/around GS5, with maybe a flashback case to before. Any new developments of the GS4-era AA world are welcomed by me.
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I honestly wouldn't mind a game that takes place at select moments throughout the 8 years between Gyakuten Kenji 2 and Dual Destinies. There's a long gap during those 8 years in Ace Attorney continuity that has yet to be accounted for.
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Maybe a story that ends with Edgey becoming Chief Prosecutor. Who knows, maybe the previous Chief Prosecutor was a victim in a case and Edgeworth was the one who solved it.
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I presume you mean the one from GK2, hm?

I am somehow interested how will investigating GK-like locations on 3D platform will look like. It might make for an interesting gaming experience.
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I presume you mean the one from GK2, hm?

I am somehow interested how will investigating GK-like locations on 3D platform will look like. It might make for an interesting gaming experience.

Nooooo not that friendly old man! (Hey, since Payne was that guy's best buddy, would he somehow being involved... and then become a suspect?)

3d investigation from DD implemented into this game would be a treat. Also, random camera motions!
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That's actually the only thing so far that would make me truly excited. I wasn't a big fan of the graphics in either of the current GK games, but the thought of controlling Ace Attorney characters in fully modeled 3D spaces or at least 2D/3D spaces with 3D character models is just neat!
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Sligneris wrote:
I presume you mean the one from GK2, hm?

I am somehow interested how will investigating GK-like locations on 3D platform will look like. It might make for an interesting gaming experience.

Nooooo not that friendly old man! (Hey, since Payne was that guy's best buddy, would he somehow being involved... and then become a suspect?)

3d investigation from DD implemented into this game would be a treat. Also, random camera motions!


I can't even imagine all of the possibilities for a 3D GK. There's tons of stuff they could do with it. They could also screw it up, but I don't think that would happen.
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...and if the character models were GS5 quality, they might be limited by the 3DS tech. GK3 exclusively for Wii U, hey-ho!
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I'd love a flashback case where Young Edgeworth confronts Diego Armando. And maybe his rival in the present could be... Phoenix Wright! =O

Nah, I don't think so.
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I'd love a flashback case where Young Edgeworth confronts Diego Armando. And maybe his rival in the present could be... Phoenix Wright! =O

Nah, I don't think so.


I'm not against seeing Wright in the game in a non-rival role, though. I understand why they avoided mentioning him in the DS games but now that he's back and the two have starred in another game together, it would be nice to see Wright from Edgeworth's perspective.
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Hm, a case where Phoenix and Edgeworth confront each other outside the courtroom? I find that unlikely. It'd be a case better suitable for the main games. Instead, Phoenix could be a temporary assistant or randomly a witness. So what would Maya do? Be another witness, I guess. Gumshoe would probably try to shoo them away from the crime scene, but naturally fail.

...Yet, I don't feel so excited about this idea. Maybe because... it's already so present in the main games or public advertising.
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Hm, a case where Phoenix and Edgeworth confront each other outside the courtroom? I find that unlikely. It'd be a case better suitable for the main games. Instead, Phoenix could be a temporary assistant or randomly a witness. So what would Maya do? Be another witness, I guess. Gumshoe would probably try to shoo them away from the crime scene, but naturally fail.

...Yet, I don't feel so excited about this idea. Maybe because... it's already so present in the main games or public advertising.


That's assuming it would take place before GS5. If it was after GS5, there'd be more room for interesting concepts. So I'd say maybe Apollo and Athena could be witnesses or something and Phoenix would make a little appearance sort of like Mia in the original games, for like 10 minutes.
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...So, he's just a cameo in the end, huh?
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...So, he's just a cameo in the end, huh?

Something like that, or just like a 5 minute cameo in the actual game. Just a way of getting him in there.
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I agree with D.A McCoy. I particulary think it would be way better if GK3 took place years after GK1, preferably in the AJ or GS5 era. I'd like to see greater development in Edgeworth's and maybe Franziska's personality, the process of Edgeworth achieving the status of Chief Prosecutor and maybe his reaction to Phoenix's disbarment. We already know too much about Edgeworth's personality, views and lifestyle in the particular time that GK/GK2 took place, it's time to move on and innovate a bit.
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I think my dislike for GK lies in two very inherent problems. A game about Edgeworth is gonna be harder to make compelling due to him not having much more developing left to do and him being a prosecutor. So when the game is gonna be the hardest one to make good so far, it shouldn't also be the first one to be made without the creator of the series. I'm sure a lot of people are sick of us moaning about his absence, and I know that if he was permanently tied down with this series then amazing classics like Ghost Trick wouldn't get made, but the series has really gone downhill without him. The other writers aren't dreadful, but their writing just really lacks something. This has only been confirmed for me after playing Dual Destinies, which once again isn't bad at all, but lacks the charm and wit of the first four AA games.

Also I think it's about time Phoenix appeared. It's not really fair that Edgeworth gets to appear in all of Phoenix's games and yet Phoenix doesn't even get mentioned by name in Edgeworth's games. Have you noticed Phoenix has appeared in 5 AA games and Edgeworth has appeared in 6? WTF is that? Phoenix is meant to be the main character!
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Also I think it's about time Phoenix appeared. It's not really fair that Edgeworth gets to appear in all of Phoenix's games and yet Phoenix doesn't even get mentioned by name in Edgeworth's games. Have you noticed Phoenix has appeared in 5 AA games and Edgeworth has appeared in 6? WTF is that? Phoenix is meant to be the main character!


Well, Phoenix is the main character in Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, not in Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth.
But again, I'd like to see Phoenix from Edgeworth's point of view at least in one case.
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^ OK maybe I didn't express my point very well but I think it still stands. Phoenix is the star of the series, the original hero, and it seems really messed up to me that Edgeworth has appeared in more Ace Attorney games than he has. Gumshoe has as well actually...
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^ OK maybe I didn't express my point very well but I think it still stands. Phoenix is the star of the series, the original hero, and it seems really messed up to me that Edgeworth has appeared in more Ace Attorney games than he has. Gumshoe has as well actually...


So you basically think the franchise shouldn't have new protagonists and that Phoenix has to be the main character in every new title?
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^ Erm...I think I'm gonna have to say yes actually. On paper the idea of new protagonists isn't an awful one, but judging by the inferiority of GK and the worst part of DD being the middle cases where Phoenix barely appears, it does seem like the worst parts of the series are the parts where he's not around. OK he doesn't have to be the sole main character, and the spotlight doesn't have to be on him the whole time, but preferably he shouldn't be completely absent from the entire game, and if he is then it shouldn't be to give limelight to one of his former co-stars who's already had a lot of screen time in all previous games with him in them.
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I love Phoenix to death, but I think he's played his part now. His history feels complete, we've even watched him rise, fall and rise again, and there isn't much left to develop. I say let Apollo be the star for a while now. :apollo:

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I'd like a case where you play as Franziska. They could replace the "Press" button with a "Whip" button.
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I agree with D.A McCoy. I particulary think it would be way better if GK3 took place years after GK1, preferably in the AJ or GS5 era. I'd like to see greater development in Edgeworth's and maybe Franziska's personality, the process of Edgeworth achieving the status of Chief Prosecutor and maybe his reaction to Phoenix's disbarment. We already know too much about Edgeworth's personality, views and lifestyle in the particular time that GK/GK2 took place, it's time to move on and innovate a bit.


This is kind of why I would like for GK3 to take place over a certain number of years. The cases can still be tied to each other, but they take place over the course of time between AAI2 and the AJ/DD era. That way, we could also see how Edgeworth's personality develops over the years. Perhaps some of the events from the GS series can tie in, such as Phoenix's disbarment, Blackquill's conviction, the jurist trial, Edgeworth becoming Cheif Prosecutor, etc. It would be kind of neat to see these events develop from Edgeworth's perspective.

It would also be interesting, at least in my opinion, to know if Edgeworth ever looked into Phoenix's disbarment and even himself deduced that Kristoph Gavin was behind it, but could never find the evidence to accuse him of it (which is why he revives the Jurist system and put Phoenix in charge of it). It's possible that Phoenix and Edgeworth both knew that Gavin would eventually strike against the Mishams and had that trial set up just in case.

Anyways, these are just thoughts on my end.
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Have you noticed Phoenix has appeared in 5 AA games and Edgeworth has appeared in 6? WTF is that? Phoenix is meant to be the main character!


If you count cameo appearances, Phoenix has been in all of them.

Phoenix's cameo in AAI...

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...And in AAI2.

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If there was to be a third Investigations game, I'd want it to cover the period between GS4 and GS5.

1. Let's see Edgey's progression from a exceptional prosecutor to the Chief Prosecutor

2. I'd have Edgeworth take on Tateyuki Shigaraki in court, or even come across him in an least an investigation.

3. I'd like there to be a flashback to when Phoenix lost his badge as well, as GK2 ends very close to that incident. Don't just mention 'that man in blue' or have an image of him, actually let him talk to him

4. An international incident forcing him to assist Franziska would be welcome, with Gumshoe playing the detective role of course.

5. Having a case after GS5 would work well to, having a bridge between GS5 and GS6.

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Have you noticed Phoenix has appeared in 5 AA games and Edgeworth has appeared in 6? WTF is that? Phoenix is meant to be the main character!


If you count cameo appearances, Phoenix has been in all of them.

Phoenix's cameo in AAI...

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...And in AAI2.

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Oh, that AAI2-cameo was so sweet, I've never noticed it :D Even though, at first when looking at it I thought he had a cup of coffee in his face :coffee:


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If they were to make a new GK, I think it should be the last and kind of wrap this up. I'm afraid otherwise it would turn into some lame spin-off that got worse for every new game. That said, I do want them to make a third game, because just two feels kind of unfinished, and, of course, it's Ace attorney after all. I think a nice idea would be for them to release it outside of Japan. And... as Edgeworth's story feels finished, I don't think they should stretch his character anymore. Therefore, they could have us play as other characters. Like, case with scientific solutions, where you play as Ema, and then there's Franziska who works for Interpol, which could make for an interesting gameplay. Have Edgeworth for one case, maybe some cool case that helped him earning the spot as Chief Prosecutor. Or one or two cases where you play with him as younger, pre-Phoenix. Maybe some old cases that we heard of, like SL-9, from Edgeworths or one of the detective's pont of view. Or Neil Marshall's. And I would like some more Shigaraki, preferably with some character development on his part. Or, even better, a case where the 18-year-old Shigaraki shows up. Just some cool and random stuff, basically.
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I thought about posting these ideas in the GS6 thread until I realized how they sounded more fitting for an Investigations game. Anyways, some possible murder locations...

-Supermarket ("Of course! The murderer used the mop and cat tower to hide the body in plain sight among hundreds of customers!"
-A closed-off villa of some sort (A manner of security cameras keep tabs on people. A bit cliche, I know, but it would be interesting to see what could come about using this setup.)
-A game company. (Let's just go meta and have Edgeworth play a game featuring Prototype-Phoenix facing a wretched, cheating prosecutor who is Prototype-Edgeworth. Of course, the game would somehow provide a clue to the real murder. Afterwards, Edgeworth will comment "This game isn't a good reflection of our courts at all!")
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If Franziska gets her own game or case, I'd like to see a murder or investigation at Lordly Tailor. (Well, maybe not LIKE it :sillytrucy: ) Don't necessarily have to have partner!Adrian, but just as long as it isn't murdervictim!Adrian, it'd be cool.
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