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Dimbo wrote:
Not cool... :edgeworth:

I left out some important details:
Spoiler: Revised testimony
Capcom announces the retirement of the Ace Attorney series. However, since all the characters died of food poisoning at the end of 5-5, they return as characters in Ghost Trick. Absolutely nothing changes except everybody's ghosts now. World War III ensues and everybody dies, but Ace Attorney fans are rescued by aliens at the last minute because we're the most advanced of the human species. So, be sure to tell your friends to start playing, or else they'll blow up.

Sorry for the confusion.
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Cleveland Rock wrote:
Dimbo wrote:
Not cool... :edgeworth:

I left out some important details:
Spoiler: Revised testimony
Capcom announces the retirement of the Ace Attorney series. However, since all the characters died of food poisoning at the end of 5-5, they return as characters in Ghost Trick. Absolutely nothing changes except everybody's ghosts now. World War III ensues and everybody dies, but Ace Attorney fans are rescued by aliens at the last minute because we're the most advanced of the human species. So, be sure to tell your friends to start playing, or else they'll blow up.

Sorry for the confusion.


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Spoiler: 5-1
Phoenix wright gets really desperate to rejoin court after failing his bar exam so he gets apollo to make a cardboard badge for him. The judge's brother falls for it and Phoenix loses his case because the prosecutor is klavier and hes and asshole. Phoenix invites klavier to the borscht bowl club and tries to kill him with the piano and suceeds. He then rearranges the entire seen so its like 4-1 and gets Apollo to defend him. Everyone says the exact same thing with Klavier instead of Shadi, Phoenix instead of kristoph and trucy instead of hobophoenix. phonex is found guilty and apollo gives up his badge. Trucy goes on drugs after seeing both her fathers torn away from her.

Spoiler: 5-2
Trucy is killed from poisoned drugs... and Machi's the murderer! He used the borginian cocoon that daryan gave him to make the poison (hey, that almost sounds canon!). however, there is no defense attorney so the local drug dealer gets a guilty verdict straight away. however, ema comes in at the last second and offers to masturbate in front of the courthouse in order to protect the drug dealer (those bottles aint scientific stuff...) the drug dealer gets not guilty and ema becomes a defence attorney

Spoiler: 5-3, deadicated to a friend at school
cloud kills sepheroth and Ema has to defend him. She tampers with the evidence by using clouds sword as a dildo. because they couldnt find any prints on the sword, the only other suspect is that zak dude and he gets the death penalty. During the case, Cloud shows Ema what it means to be an emo

Spoiler: 5-4
last case. cloud is ema's new assistant. one day they are slitting their wrists but cloud cuts in too deep and ema is the suspect. During the investigation, ema goes on crack and thinks that she killed cloud so she brings a bottle of mace to the court. during the trial, she sprays everyone inside and herself to death.
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Backstory:
Spoiler: An idea that's never going to happen, so it's hardly a spoiler
Phoenix becomes pretty well-known after being proven innocent in Apollo Justice Case 4, and he sells his life story for a good sum of money, as Samurai Pictures starts producing a made-for-TV movie about the fall and rise of Phoenix Wright ("How Phoenix Got His Groove Back") starring Laurice Deauxnim as Ace Attorney Phoenix Wright ("A thrilling and intimate performance, end quote!", http://sparkysmoviecorner.blogspot.com/a-star-rises/ ) and introducing heartthrob young Latino actor Justin St. Paolo as the earnest young attorney who uncovers the conspiracy that lost Phoenix his badge. Movie producers didn't think that Klavier Gavin was a menacing enough opponent, so they took some liberties with the story and cast a veteran actor with a thick German accent and a resume full of villains, Heinrich Clintwood, to play a character "loosely based on Klavier and Kristoph Gavin." Klavier was very upset about this. In prison, Kristoph was very busy playing violin, drinking expensive champagne, and having murder plots from the last seven years randomly follow through and kill someone every other week or so. So he didn't really notice or care.

The movie will only play a major role in the first case, but it will become a subtle running gag in the following cases.


Case 1:
Spoiler: TYLER DURDEN IS LUKE'S FATHER
After Heinrich Clintwood is found dead at the set of the movie, Justin St. Paolo is arrested on suspicion of murder. He specifically requests Apollo's presence on defense because he wants to prepare for the role. Justin St. Paolo is the "legal assistant" in this case, so Apollo can explain pressing and stuff to Justin instead of getting hit on the head and forgetting how to be a lawyer. Justin looks and dresses like Apollo, but has droopy hair-stalks because the hair & make-up artist didn't put gel in his hair on the day of the murder and Justin got arrested shortly afterwards. (THIS FACT ENDS UP BEING IMPORTANT, DON'T TELL ANYBODY) He is also a Chords of Steel enthusiast, and looks up to Apollo's ferocious Objection.

The first witness is Laurice Deauxnim, who claims to have seen Justin standing over Heinrich's dead body. Pressing reveals that he was in a dimly lit room and only saw the silhouette of the murderer, but recognized Justin because of his hair-spikes. After revealing that Justin had no gel in his hair, Apollo examines a picture of the crime scene and sees that a door has a large V painted on the window. If a light was on behind that door and Laurice witnessed the scene from the right place, the V could become part of the murderer's silhouette. However, while this proves that Laurice could have seen anybody, it does not disprove that Laurice could still have seen Justin, so Winston Payne calls out his second witness.

The second witness is a stuck-up actress who describes herself as twenty-something and is actually 38. Her name is Vanna de Miir and she claims to have seen Justin commit the murder. Turns out she murdered Heinrich, and forgot all about it! After she apologizes for her spotty memory, everybody laughs it off and goes down to the malt shop to order sodas! And they all lived happily ever after.

Except Trucy is upset that she didn't get to meet Justin St. Paolo.

Defense: Apollo Justice
Assistant: Justin St. Paolo
Prosecution: Winston Payne in an unconvincing wig.
Judge: Judge Reinhold
Victim: Heinrich Clintwood
Suspect: Justin St. Paolo
First witness: Laurice Deauxnim
Second witness: Vanna de Miir
Real Killer: Vanna de Miir
Motive: Heinrich was famous for being difficult to work with and a total jerk. He said something insulting to Vanna and she went crazy and slapped him so hard that he hit his head on a table and died.

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So, I'm from the future/A friend of mine works at capcom and I've played GS5 so I totally know what happens.
Spoiler: Case 1
So the English name is "Justin Lawenforcment: Ace Attorney" And case 1 introduces us to a new character, Justin Lawenforcment. A new defense attorney just off the press. His mentor Reredrum Asyugsiht is assisting him in his first case! He's defending ex-defense attorney Apollo Justice who has since become a Hobo that plays the Violin at a Latvian bar on the weekends. Apparently he's being accused of murdering some random guy by smacking him over the head with a wine bottle. Apollo is very ominous and he acts like he knows exactly what will happen next, as if he had been in the exact same situation as Justin in the past. After lots of shouting at Winston Payne(Using Justin's Chords of Iron) It is revealed that the wine bottle was filled with nail polish, which pins the murder on Justin's own mentor! Reredrum Asyugsiht! Justin is shocked at this but keeps going with the case. However since he was employed by Reredrum's office he is now out of a job.

Spoiler: Case 2
The case opens and we are introduced to a new defense attorney right off the press! His name is Immortal Correct, Constantly ridiculed for his ridiculous name, He is determined to prove himself in his first case! Defending unemployed defense attorney Justin Lawenforcment from a charge of loitering. After lots of back and forthing with Winston Payne, The court takes a recess to investigate more. Elizabeth Land the detective uses magic powers to help you investigate the crime scene and check for foot prints. When you discover that Justin couldn't have been loitering at the spot specified because there was a MURDER at the scene of the crime! But before you can get back to court, Justin Lawenforcment appears! Wielding a GUN! He holds you hostage and his demands are simple, He wants your job at Smexy & co law offices. Now, Notso Smexy, Immortal's boss. Hates Immortal Correct. Mostly because of his name, You are promptly fired and replaced by Justice Lawenforcment. The case is dropped.


Spoiler: Case 3
In this Flashback case you are introduced to a fresh new Defense Attorney! Notso Smexy in her first case! In this case you are defending her brother, Quite Smexy, in a case of Larceny. He's been accused of stealing a golden pocket watch from Steves Inlauvewithquite, a "Good friend" of Quite. The case seems easy enough when you reveal that Quite and Steves got married in Massachusetts last spring and that the state the court is in just doesn't recognize their marriage which is why it seemed as if the watch was stolen when really they share all of their possessions. However during recess while Quite is in the bathroom, Steves is murdered! And because Quite was alone in the bathroom on the other side of the building from the crime scene, he's accused of being the murderer! However Notso Smexy has Alzheimer's and can't remember anything else about this case. So it just abruptly ends here.


Spoiler: Case 4
In the first case not to introduce a hot new defense attorney fresh off the bar exam. You once again play as the main character, Justin Lawenforcment. Defending Ema Skye who was accused of murdering Elizabeth Land in the study with the candlestick! The Prosecutor is the mysterious Seacrest Lee, a very Fabulous man who vows to strip away the lies and reveal the body of truth! However he also claims to have already done so many times before the case entered the court, and is thus very sure that the client is guilty. The witness is a Sarah Spicious, a woman with G cup sized breasts who distracts almost everybody but Seacrest by constantly bouncing her breasts. She claims to have seen it all from the airvent above the room but Justin disproves this because Sarah's breasts would have been so heavy that the theres no way that air vent could hold her up! Further inspection of the body finds that the victim wasn't even killed with a Candlestick! Justin reveals after lots of drama that the real cause of death was SUFFOCATION VIA BOOBS! And that the only person in the area with breasts large enough to suffocate Elizabeth Land was SARAH SPICIOUS! The Judge is so overwhelmed by the image of the murder happening that he immediately declares Ema Skye not guilty before Seacrest can point out the obvious flaw that every woman in the game has breasts large enough to suffocate someone.

Spoiler: Case 5
The actually starts out by telling you that Seacrest Lee is actually Quite Smexy in disguise, who is undercover trying to find out who the real murder of his Husband was. This case is actually extremely easy because theres no puzzle solving until the end when you name the killer. It's just you running around and overhearing conversations that explain all the open questions from Apollo Justice. In the end the killed of Steves was Kristoph, Who was in drag and suffocated Steves with his fake boobs. Also it turns out Sarah Spicious was Kristoph's Drag Persona.

Spoiler: Case 6
In this Bonus case, Phoenix, Apollo, Trucy, Maya, Pearls, Kay, Edgeworth, Franziska, Ema, and Klavier all pass the Bar exam and become Defense attorneys. You get to do 1 cross-examination in court with each character before the case ends. There is no plot.


I was told the game wasn't finished yet and that they're going to keep working on it. If the game comes out and anything differs from my summary then they probably just changed it from the original plot.
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I took it upon myself to create the most epic theory for what will happen in games 5,6,7.

Game 5:

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It starts off with Franziska, Klavier, Ema, Edgeworth, Godot AND Maya being murdered with Franziska's whip. Phoenix and Apollo decide to investigate the case. They find that the murders were most likely commited by a crime syndacate which Apollo and Phoenix spend most of the game trying to take down by convicting the leaders of the syndacate. The final case involves Phoenix and Apollo infiltrating the syndacate, where the find out that the syndacate is actually a cover-up for a powerful demon-worshipping cult. They manage to make their way to the powerful demon, who they find out is.... Pearl. DemonPearl managed to hypnotise everybody into thinking she was Morgan's daughter. They then find out none of the villians in the past games are actually evil, simply controlled, maniplulated or possesed by DemonPearl. They also find out both Dahlia (who's death was faked by DemonPearl by hypnotising everybody in the prison) and Kristoph are alive and out of prison. The final battle with DemonPearl takes place like a FF-style RPG where your party is as follows: Phoenix, Apollo, Trucy, Dahlia, Kristoph and Charley the Plant. After defeating DemonPearl, you find she cannot be killed using conventional means. As DemonPearl is about to kill your party, Morgan comes in and shoots her with a sprit-laser-thingy, which causes DemonPearl to explode. GAME END


Game 6:
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After killing DemonPearl, her essence sends everybody back into various points in the PW/AJ timeline. The groups manages to stop important parts of the timeline that happened due to DemonPearl, such as: Dahlia conviction, Mia death, DL-6, SL-9, Kristoph's evidence forging, Phoenix's disbarment, Zak's Death, Valent's tampering AND the murders that took place at the start of game 5. Then they find out that because of their actions, DemonPearl didn't die. So they face DemonPearl along with the younger DemonPearl. They get killed by everyone using the amazing power of the pointing finger to send Suisikito (i think that's how it's spelt) into both DemonPearls. GAME END.


Game 7 (the following contains spoilers for Dragon Age):
Spoiler:
After killing DemonPearl a second time she transforms into the Archdemon from Dragon Age and flies off to somewhere safe. Gant then reveals himself to be Duncan from Dragon Age, who managed to switch universes right before he died. Morgan then reveals to be Morrigan and transformes into her younger self, which in turn makes Dahlia the Old God child that the main character has with Morrigan. Duncan reveals that since he is the only Grey Warden, he must sacrifice himself. Morrigan refuses to go through the ritual again because of Duncan's age. Duncan then asks Phoenix to come with him. Later, Morrigan revealed that the ritual was already completed and the group attacks the Archdemon's fortress, but without Phoenix. The group then manages to subdue the Archdemon when Morrigan reveals that the Grey Warden will come to kill the Archdemon. Suddenly, much to everyones' surprise, Phoenix comes down and kills the Archdemon, causing an explosion and revealing that he completed the ritual with Morrigan. Phoenix and Morrigan then decide to marry, leaving the following pairings: DahliaxKristoph, FranziskaxEdgeworth, MiaxLarry (Godot died in the fight), MayaxWillPowers (STEEL SAMURAI!), TrucyxApollo (Who don't care if it's incest), while Duncan keeps Charley because Phoenix can't water him. And in the end, all the pairings work out. GAME END.
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GS5-5: CARD GAMES IN THE COURTHOUSE!

Phoenix - Dragon deck
Kokone - Psychic deck
Apollo - Light deck
Shinobu - Earth deck

Kokone and Shinobu are the guilty party, but due to a lack of evidence, Nick and Apollo can't prove anything. So, the verdict is going to be decided...over a tag-team duel. :keiko:
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CRACK THEORY TIEM!!!

Spoiler: Major Spoilers!
Penny Nichols is behind EVERYTHING!

The courthouse bombing? Nichols!
Apollo's Scars? Nichols!
The dark age of the law? NICHOLS!

I'm telling you, she is pure evil! She may look like an innocent Steel Samurai fan on the outside, but on the inside, she's as evil as Dahlia! :chinami:

...also Frank Sahwit is the new detective. Who would'a thunk it?

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Gnobo wrote:
CRACK THEORY TIEM!!!

Spoiler: Major Spoilers!
Penny Nichols is behind EVERYTHING!

The courthouse bombing? Nichols!
Apollo's Scars? Nichols!
The dark age of the law? NICHOLS!

I'm telling you, she is pure evil! She may look like an innocent Steel Samurai fan on the outside, but on the inside, she's as evil as Dahlia! :chinami:

...also Frank Sahwit is the new detective. Who would'a thunk it?

NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE!
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Phoenix will inhale whatever the hell I'm smoking and will have a hallucination that seems like it was made solely for the fanservice. When he wakes up, he teams up with Apollo (who is now a cyborg ninja) and Franziska (who has realized the true power of her whip, the Vampire Killer), to destroy the Phoenix Wright Kink Meme.
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Spyro wrote:
Gnobo wrote:
CRACK THEORY TIEM!!!

Spoiler: Major Spoilers!
Penny Nichols is behind EVERYTHING!

The courthouse bombing? Nichols!
Apollo's Scars? Nichols!
The dark age of the law? NICHOLS!

I'm telling you, she is pure evil! She may look like an innocent Steel Samurai fan on the outside, but on the inside, she's as evil as Dahlia! :chinami:

...also Frank Sahwit is the new detective. Who would'a thunk it?

NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE!
Spoiler: spoiler
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Woah! You drew that?

That's pretty good!

Spoiler: MOAR spoilers!
Maybe Penny also gave Apollo that jacket in his picture! Now I wonder what Frank Sahwit would look like in a detective's jacket?

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Spoiler: MAJOR SPOILAHS
ATMEY DID IT! HE WAS BEHIND EVERYTHING! Why? Because he didn't get a spin-off and Edgeworth did!
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Spyro wrote:
NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE!
Spoiler: spoiler
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Holy sh*t. I am blown away. It almost seems too perfect.
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Phoenix is dead. He's just being channeled by Maya so that he can finish what he started and fix the messes in both the judicial system and Apollo's family.

He will move in after the last case as he tells both Kokone and Apollo that they don't need him anymore and then he commits suicide while in Maya's body so they'll be together forever! FOREVER!!!!!! *laughs madly as I get dragged away* :gant:

EDIT: Remember those concept arts with the different courts?
Those courts are the places where Phoenix will defend people in the afterlife with Maya as his assistant!

On a serious note though, I wonder if we actually will get to see those courts in-game.
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Phoenix is dead. He's just being channeled by Maya so that he can finish what he started and fix the messes in both the judicial system and Apollo's family.

He will move in after the last case as he tells both Kokone and Apollo that they don't need him anymore and then he commits suicide while in Maya's body so they'll be together forever! FOREVER!!!!!!


Dammit, Dahlia, why did you never do that!? :chinami:

My theory is that Phoenix told Apollo about his mom and Apollo went all annoyed-teenager on him, "You never told me! I hate you! D=" and that's why he looks so annoyed in the GS5 artwork.

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CatMuto wrote:
Reglare wrote:
Phoenix is dead. He's just being channeled by Maya so that he can finish what he started and fix the messes in both the judicial system and Apollo's family.

He will move in after the last case as he tells both Kokone and Apollo that they don't need him anymore and then he commits suicide while in Maya's body so they'll be together forever! FOREVER!!!!!!


Dammit, Dahlia, why did you never do that!? :chinami:

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CatMuto wrote:
My theory is that Phoenix told Apollo about his mom and Apollo went all annoyed-teenager on him, "You never told me! I hate you! D=" and that's why he looks so annoyed in the GS5 artwork.

C-A

There is a Japanese saying about 'teen drama sickness' (中二病) that we can call 'angst'.

Well obviously, the best way to show how much he's grown is to turn him into an angsty teenager, right? Everyone will be so proud of him that they'll each take a turn of slapping some sense (or otherwise) into him. As his boss, Wright gets the privileged package, and as his best friend, Trucy gets the unlimited.

Don't worry, Apollo, Capcom has saved some special things to come for you. :garyuu:
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Trucy will appear in the game but it won't be until the end of the final case

It is because:
She has promised to focus on school in order for her to graduate. The Dark Times of Law is actually just that lawyers are paid a lot less these days so it needs the combined force of Phoenix, Apollo, and Kokone to pay for Trucy's school expenses. That's why Trucy's not around because she's making sure she won't let them down.
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Reglare wrote:
Trucy will appear in the game but it won't be until the end of the final case

It is because:
She has promised to focus on school in order for her to graduate. The Dark Times of Law is actually just that lawyers are paid a lot less these days so it needs the combined force of Phoenix, Apollo, and Kokone to pay for Trucy's school expenses. That's why Trucy's not around because she's making sure she won't let them down.

As far as crack theories go, that one is pretty reasonable.
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Spoiler: GS5, Case 3
There will be a musical and it will be called Little Office of Horrors, starring Charley II, the possessed and bloodthirsty houseplant. What begins as a misunderstanding regarding the original Charley's sudden passing leads into a horrifying serial murder case. And at its center lies the innocent-looking houseplant that no one suspects until it's too late.

By the way, at one point, Trucy goes missing and Phoenix becomes charged with the strange series of murders and is imprisoned, leaving Apollo and Kokone to investigate the truth behind these incidents and restore the agency's reputation to its former standing.

Actually, I'd love to see this be turned into writing. If anyone is interested, by all means, go ahead. I await creativity.

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Spoiler: Major Plot Twist
Dark Payne is really Winston Payne. He threw away his real identity and live the life of a non-existent brother to have a fresh start, but of course, Phoenix gets his badge back and ruins everything for Payne.

In revenge, he is behind every crime in the game but he makes the perfect scenarios where he can't be found as the murderer. Wright Anything Agency's lives are now tied to Payne's strings and they will now live lives of illusions and suffering.

Sometimes I feel like facepalming
I'm just not sure on whose face to push my hand on.
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Reglare wrote:
Spoiler: Major Plot Twist
Dark Payne is really Winston Payne. He threw away his real identity and live the life of a non-existent brother to have a fresh start, but of course, Phoenix gets his badge back and ruins everything for Payne.

In revenge, he is behind every crime in the game but he makes the perfect scenarios where he can't be found as the murderer. Wright Anything Agency's lives are now tied to Payne's strings and they will now live lives of illusions and suffering.


That first part was something I've wondered since the reveal of Payne to begin with.
But I thought, nah... the Dahlia-Iris thing was already annoying in 3-5 and putting it into GS5 would just mean they have no more ideas.

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There will be a love triangle between Shinobu, Apollo, and Kokone.
Phoenix will just sit back, relax, and enjoy as Apollo goes through the confusing phase.
Sometimes I feel like facepalming
I'm just not sure on whose face to push my hand on.
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