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Author: | KingRaptor [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:49 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
Franzika Von ehmpke5 wrote: Spoiler: Case 4 Just being Ace Attorney. Spoiler: 3-5 |
Author: | Lusankya [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:16 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
Percei wrote: Spoiler: Case 4 Actually the courtroom in GK1-4 looks more like a mixture of both court rooms. Compare these three screenshots: http://www.court-records.net/places/DS/judgestand.png http://www.court-records.net/places/GS4/judgeseat.png http://www.court-records.net/places/gk/gk4courtroom.gif So the witness stand is from AJ and judge's bench from AA1-3. |
Author: | Pierre [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
Lusankya wrote: Percei wrote: Spoiler: Case 4 Actually the courtroom in GK1-4 looks more like a mixture of both court rooms. Compare these three screenshots: http://www.court-records.net/places/DS/judgestand.png http://www.court-records.net/places/GS4/judgeseat.png http://www.court-records.net/places/gk/gk4courtroom.gif So the witness stand is from AJ and judge's bench from AA1-3. GK occurs between the standard GS1-3 trilogy and AJ The courtroom simply underwent renovations in the....10?(ish) years, starting with a few renovations at GK time to the complete remodelling of the witness stance by AJ's time. |
Author: | Lusankya [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:48 am ] |
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Pierre wrote: Lusankya wrote: Percei wrote: Spoiler: Case 4 Actually the courtroom in GK1-4 looks more like a mixture of both court rooms. Compare these three screenshots: http://www.court-records.net/places/DS/judgestand.png http://www.court-records.net/places/GS4/judgeseat.png http://www.court-records.net/places/gk/gk4courtroom.gif So the witness stand is from AJ and judge's bench from AA1-3. GK occurs between the standard GS1-3 trilogy and AJ The courtroom simply underwent renovations in the....10?(ish) years, starting with a few renovations at GK time to the complete remodelling of the witness stance by AJ's time. You forget that GK1-4 takes place in the past. ;) |
Author: | Pierre [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:59 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
Between GK1-4 and the Phoenix Saga they remodelled it, later on a new architect when further renovations were called for liked the old design from GK1-4 and so remodelled the chair/bench/whatever based on what it was then resulting in the fusion. |
Author: | Tifforo [ Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:34 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
Why did Portsman lie to Faith about his motive for burglary? "I have to make sure that the defendant is always found guilty!" His real motive was the ring, right? I'm not expecting him to go on a Bond villain monologue, but lying seems unnecessary when the person is about to be killed for knowing too much anyway. The killer's primary motives in case 4 included getting the knife back, right? So why did they use it to commit the murder? By using it as the murder weapon, they had to leave it at the crime scene so that they wouldn't get caught leaving with it. If Faraday finding that knife was the #1 reason to kill Faraday, using that knife in a way that would guarantee that it would be taken by the authorities as an even more important piece of evidence than it already was seems foolish. Croik wrote: 4. Ernest buying the Haunted House was suspicious, but they didn't have any evidence to prove that it was related to the murder. You can't get a search warrant based on "I really think he did it...!" They didn't have any evidence... aside from the piece of glass in the costume and the knowledge of there being more broken glass there than anyone else, the fact that it was in the theme park, the suspicious way in which it was bought, the fact that Edgeworth knows for sure that at least one kidnapper was there at one point, and the sound Edgeworth heard. Heck, they have 100% proof (assuming Edgeworth is trustworthy) that it is a crime scene in which a man was assaulted and kidnapped. |
Author: | Bad Player [ Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
Tifforo wrote: Why did Portsman lie to Faith about his motive for burglary? "I have to make sure that the defendant is always found guilty!" His real motive was the ring, right? I'm not expecting him to go on a Bond villain monologue, but lying seems unnecessary when the person is about to be killed for knowing too much anyway. My hunch is that they just wanted the intro movie to be cool :P Quote: The killer's primary motives in case 4 included getting the knife back, right? So why did they use it to commit the murder? By using it as the murder weapon, they had to leave it at the crime scene so that they wouldn't get caught leaving with it. If Faraday finding that knife was the #1 reason to kill Faraday, using that knife in a way that would guarantee that it would be taken by the authorities as an even more important piece of evidence than it already was seems foolish. Well, were there any other weapons available...? :awesome: (Yes, there was the gun, but if it was used to shoot both Faraday and Rell, it wouldn't look like they killed each other) |
Author: | Tifforo [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:01 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
What was Ernest Amano arrested for? They claim that he tampered with evidence. What evidence did they identify that they determined him to have tampered with? I also don't think that they had enough on him for an "obstruction of justice" charge; refusing to give verbal consent to a police search of your property is never a crime. I can see that they might be able to detain him on suspicion of tampering, but there wasn't any proof that was found that the player was told about. Lang apparently thinks they can use this as a basis for searching him and finding other stuff too, but the player isn't shown any conclusive evidence that Ernest did anything in particular. |
Author: | zachariah Von-Karma [ Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:37 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
I think Ernest was only detained by Lang on suspicion of smuggling and then later convicted after Portsman confessed to the murders and possibly as a result of him being a sniveling pawn he told the prosecutors office about the rings members to maybe break a deal. |
Author: | Tifforo [ Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:18 pm ] |
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In response to some of the arguments on page 7: They imply in the end sequence that Lauren was eventually arrested and charged. It's still odd that she wasn't arrested on the spot, but someone pointed out that extortion relating to a fake domestic kidnapping may not be a major concern for Interpol. I think some people knew this already, but diplomatic immunity is different from extraterritoriality. In order for Alba to be prosecuted in Edgeworth's country, it had to be shown that a crime was committed on the home country's territory (the Theatrum Neutralis) and for Alba's immunity to be revoked. Both happened. He can still be prosecuted in Allebahst/Cohdopia for everything that happened while he was in the embassy, too. |
Author: | Lola-landa [ Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:58 am ] |
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Spoiler: Case 5 |
Author: | Jean Descole [ Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:06 am ] |
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Lola-landa wrote: Spoiler: Case 5 Spoiler: Um, what? |
Author: | morg11 [ Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:18 pm ] |
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phoenix and Apollo aren't attornies, and miles isn't a prosecuting attorney. well, maybe phoenix is, but based on his help from ema, i guess he could be that, same with Apollo.... anyway, Miles is DEFINTELY a forensic attorney. there is no doubt in my mind, based on what he is able to deduce from crime scenes, his basic knowledge of forensic science and his amazing logical deductions. for these reasons, i am positive that miles is a forensic attorney. and if anybody tries to contradict me by saying he is a prosecutor, not a attorney, it is quoted many times throughout the course of the 1st game that he is indeed a prosecuting attorney. my theory would also explain why the detectives are so happy to co-operate with him in his investigations, as forensic attorneys do tend to work with the detectives. and that, ladies and gentlemen, is my contradiction, not with just one case, but all 6 Games!!!!!!!!!! |
Author: | dannierose [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:38 am ] |
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This isn't a contradiction, just a comment, but I feel that the trials in GK weren't nearly as wrapped up as they were in GS. In GS, I always understood everything that happened at the end of a trial but at the end of almost every trial in GK I always had tons of questions and didn't entirely know what happened x: |
Author: | CatMuto [ Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:47 pm ] |
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Spoiler: The Primidux Statue in Case 5 That part never made sense to me, as it seems so absolutely pointless to do. It had no real impact on the current case, or anything. C-A |
Author: | Bad Player [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
noticed this today... Spoiler: GK2-2 |
Author: | Pierre [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
CatMuto wrote: Spoiler: The Primidux Statue in Case 5 That part never made sense to me, as it seems so absolutely pointless to do. It had no real impact on the current case, or anything. C-A Spoiler: |
Author: | meleemaster500 [ Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
Biggest contradiction= the dimensions of Flight I-390. I've taken the liberty of stitching the plane together from the backgrounds. (no spoiler, just using the tags to keep the pic size down) Spoiler: |
Author: | BonnyMono [ Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:54 pm ] |
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Bad Player wrote: noticed this today... Spoiler: GK2-2 Spoiler: GK2-2 |
Author: | Bad Player [ Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:31 pm ] |
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BonnyMono wrote: Bad Player wrote: noticed this today... Spoiler: GK2-2 Spoiler: GK2-2 Spoiler: GK2-2 |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:08 pm ] |
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Bad Player wrote: BonnyMono wrote: Bad Player wrote: noticed this today... Spoiler: GK2-2 Spoiler: GK2-2 Spoiler: GK2-2 Spoiler: |
Author: | Jozerick [ Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:31 pm ] |
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote: Spoiler: Spoiler: GK2-2 |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:44 pm ] |
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Author: | davech1987 [ Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:12 pm ] |
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I don't know if it really counts but in AAI , edgeworth deduces that the victim went into his office because of a noise which is when he saw his killer , yet earlier on edgeworth says that all rooms in the prosacutors office are sounds proof if so how did the victim hear the noise in edgeworths office that caused him to investigate in the first place |
Author: | Kyon1011 [ Mon May 19, 2014 8:27 pm ] |
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I don't recall him saying that. I only remember the walls in the courthouse rooms being soundproof which was established in the 4th case, but the courthouse and the prosecutor offices are two separate buildings. |
Author: | Doom Paul [ Thu May 22, 2014 2:39 am ] |
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This isn't really a "contradiction", but it's been bugging me for a while anyway. Spoiler: Minor Case 4 spoilers I guess? |
Author: | YoshiyaKiryu [ Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:34 pm ] |
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Doom Paul wrote: This isn't really a "contradiction", but it's been bugging me for a while anyway. Spoiler: Minor Case 4 spoilers I guess? Spoiler: Minor Case 4 Spoilers |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Fri Aug 01, 2014 3:17 am ] |
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Spoiler: Case 5 |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:05 am ] |
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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote: Spoiler: GK2-3 Spoiler: GK2-3 |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:48 am ] |
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Thanks, and it's correct. Maybe it's about time I revisited the game. |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:43 pm ] |
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Spoiler: GK2-3 |
Author: | TheCasualRookie [ Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:50 pm ] |
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Spoiler: Croik wrote: Okay, finally our first contradiction! Spoiler: Case 3 I think that's it's rather simple logic: Spoiler: Case3 I hope that it clears up your contradiction! |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Mon Jun 05, 2017 7:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: GK Contradictions (spoilers) |
Necropost, but I do have a few questions. In case three, how did Lance get into debt? He's freaking rich! And why did he even come up with the kidnapping plan? His father would have clearly given him the money if he had asked. And how did Gatewater Hotel get to make a theme park out of the Police Station's mascot? Also in case 5, with the whole fan pulley thing, would the fans/wires really be able to support the statues' weight? I mean, one is a hollow fake, but the other is made of freaking gold! Wouldn't it collapse with that imbalance? Or would the rotary motion keep them there? |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Mon Jun 05, 2017 7:24 pm ] |
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Loan sharks, so he could've had a gambling addiction or something. And he was probably too ashamed to ask his father? That's not too hard to believe. And the Chief of Detectives can be seen at the park so I assume he gave them the rights As for the statue, it's possible if the fans are spinning fast enough. They might not be, I don't know enough about physics |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Mon Jun 05, 2017 7:27 pm ] |
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JesusMonroe wrote: Loan sharks, so he could've had a gambling addiction or something. And he was probably too ashamed to ask his father? That's not too hard to believe. And the Chief of Detectives can be seen at the park so I assume he gave them the rights As for the statue, it's possible if the fans are spinning fast enough. They might not be, I don't know enough about physics The guy's 20, I think. That would have been plenty of time to really know his father. But fair enough. I still think it's weird that the Chief gave the rights to this random hotel group but there's an explanation at least. |
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