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I love the 'Badger Bible'. 'UNIQUE PINK BOW!' I love how they also worked 'Proto- Badger' into it.
I thought "The Bad Badger: He Has a Gun!" was an excellent pastiche.
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The breakdown was incredibly disappointing and I saw many of the twists coming like the relationship between the victim and Lauren, and Lance's roll. Honestly, Capcom, I'm disappointed in you.
But I love you at the same time. The Phoenix cameo was so hard to notice that when I felt like taking a stroll and saw it, I was so happy. All the references and cameos, the lines (especially from Gummy, Kay and Edgey) were brilliant and Lang is just cool. Cooler than I thought he'd be, and that's saying something.
Hopefully, case 4 will be better.
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Spoiler: Huge spoilers from the games GS1-4 and the fact that this can be considered as a spoiler for GK, blah blah blah...
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Anyways, I loved Kay and I like the Little Thief system, but I didn't like the case that much. The confrontations with Lang was cool too and if Capcom wanted me to despise him then mission achieved, but I think the problem is that I didn't care about any of the bad guys in this one. I preferred Turnabout Airlines.
Um...Did anybody else notice that we never figured out where the Badbadgermobile went?
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And you can see the Phoenix cameo when you're supposed to talk to Lauren and Ernest (when they're next to each other). You go to the bridge at the enterance of the park and in the background should be Phoenix, Pearl and Maya in a boat.
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The best part was seeing Ema again <3
The worse thing about that is her time was limited. I thought she'd play a much larger role.
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Anyone else get spooked out by the Badger going for Edgeworth in the opening cinematic?
Yes, actually. The atmosphere was perfect there.
Also, in the haunted house, in the room that Edgeworth drops the money, is that a picture of Manny Coachen? If so, don't spoil anything about Manny himself. I only just started AAI-4 so I know very little about him and I'd like it to stay that way for now.
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What the hell is up with Ernest Amano's ears? They kind gross me out.
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Anyway, the "Not so Fast!" just sounds (and looks) awesome to me.
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I loved the convoluted plot and the costume switches and the great ending, but yeah, the conspirators were a bit dull.
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Because you need to attack the problem from a different angle. Instead of thinking about what they knew, think about what's missing from Lang's view of the case, and find a statement to present that knowledge.
This is one of those cases where the designers hid the contradiction in order to fully test the player's understanding of the case, but unfortunately made the statements too misleading. You've probably already figured the key fact out, but didn't realize you were supposed to present here; same thing happened to me.
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moonfall wrote:
I still don't get it. I've presented both pendants and the Colin Deverae dossier on every statement (I think).
It's the costumes.
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moonfall wrote:
Actually, I was trying that and it didn't work. I must have been using the wrong one (was presenting the victim's costumes).
Ok, present the costumes in the boxes on the fourth statement. If that doesn't work, then that's abnormal.
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I saw the Phoenix/Maya/Pearls cameo. I just can't believe I missed the Maximillion Galactica vs. Troupe Gramarye and the Gavinners cameo. Though, when I first saw the the stage and the G symbol, I thought it was what I thought it was.
I did suspect Lauren Paups when I first saw her. I didn't know it was a staged kidnapping. I was shocked when I figured that out, and was even shocked to know that Lauren may have killed her father. So why did Amano got taken away even though he had permission to do whatever he wants?
Shi-Long Lang is a nice addition. Definitely awesome how he treats all his men as family. Though, I didn't like how he was mean to Edgeworth, but he has his reasons.
Oh, I am so glad I wasn't the only one who was stuck on the part when we needed to prove how Lauren and Deacon/Devorae didn't know they were related. Who would have thought you needed to present the boxes of badger suits to show Lang that there were 3 kidnappers? Glad I got it right in the end.
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1st: Case 2
2nd: Case 3
3rd: Case 1
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Anyway although I find Kay Faraday to be the best female sidekick so far (I say female because you gotta love Dick), I didn't really like this case after I found out Lance was the mastermind behind the kidnapping. Things got boring and tedious pretty quick (Little Thief was a pretty cool idea though)
Ernest Armano's "There, there, there!" and "No, no, no!" or whatever didn't help.
Hopefully Case 4 will be better but apparently it's 7 years into the past why do we have to keep going back in time? |:
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I found what really happened with the kidnapping a little too easy to figure out. The possibility occurred to me early on, and when I saw the Tender Lender note, I was certain. I think it might be because it's so similar to a certain case from T&T.
As for Lang, he's obnoxious, but anyone who can pwn Edgeworth like that is pretty awesome.
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Hopefully Case 4 will be better but apparently it's 7 years into the past why do we have to keep going back in time? |:
WHAT NO FLASHBACK CASES ARE AMAZING
OT, Ema's cameo was sooo short. She really did nothing - there's even a bit later in the case where a piece of evidence needs Luminol testing and she's nowhere to be seen! I suppose they wanted to keep forensics out of AAI, but still...
Lauren just got on my nerves. If they'd made more of how she talked to herself I might've liked her a little better. Also her hair-cutting pose really didn't make much sense to me. Oh, well. Also, is it just me or did it seem like Lauren and Lance weren't acting as lovey-dovey as they were meant to be? They hardly even interacted.
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I found what really happened with the kidnapping a little too easy to figure out. The possibility occurred to me early on, and when I saw the Tender Lender note, I was certain. I think it might be because it's so similar to a certain case from T&T.
Oh yes:
A staged kidnapping between three people. One of the three people was helping out with it because they were in love with the person who planned it. The person who planned it did it to get money from their father but eventually had to end up murdering the last person involved with the kidnapping. Oh, and just for some variety there was a fake murder as well to create a witness. By the time the left-hand-right-hand and mirror contradictions came up it crossed the line of deja vu.
It was an okay case, I suppose, but it felt like they were trying to put too much into it. If the haunted house trick had been something we'd had in our possession since the beginning of the game it would've felt less random. Which badger was where got confusing - it would've been really helpful if they'd done a summary at some point in the case, but no. Kay was a fun partner, although I much prefer Franziska (obviously). Lang was awesome awesome awesome awesome awesome, and I personally loved Shih-na although I'm convinced she's a robot. (I particularly loved the line "It was all I could do to hold my laughter in", said with an entirely straight face.) Little Thief is really, really awesome too.
Did anyone notice the Cluedo reference? "Lance Amano, I accuse you of killing Oliver Deacon in the haunted house with the revolver!" Perfect~
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Did anyone notice the Cluedo reference? "Lance Amano, I accuse you of killing Oliver Deacon in the haunted house with the revolver!" Perfect~
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The whole Oliver being Lauren's dad is sad D=
I wish Lance didn't call Lauren "Lolli" though. I have a friend who calls me Lolly D= And I'm not some crazy.
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Midnight Jasper wrote:
I personally loved Shih-na although I'm convinced she's a robot. (I particularly loved the line "It was all I could do to hold my laughter in", said with an entirely straight face.)
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BSX wrote:
I both liked and hated this case. I loved all the references, I loved most of the lines and I loved all the main characters introduced in this case. But I HATED Lance. He was everything I hated.
The breakdown was incredibly disappointing and I saw many of the twists coming like the relationship between the victim and Lauren, and Lance's roll. Honestly, Capcom, I'm disappointed in you.
But I love you at the same time. The Phoenix cameo was so hard to notice that when I felt like taking a stroll and saw it, I was so happy. All the references and cameos, the lines (especially from Gummy, Kay and Edgey) were brilliant and Lang is just cool. Cooler than I thought he'd be, and that's saying something.
Hopefully, case 4 will be better.
The breakdown was incredibly disappointing and I saw many of the twists coming like the relationship between the victim and Lauren, and Lance's roll. Honestly, Capcom, I'm disappointed in you.
But I love you at the same time. The Phoenix cameo was so hard to notice that when I felt like taking a stroll and saw it, I was so happy. All the references and cameos, the lines (especially from Gummy, Kay and Edgey) were brilliant and Lang is just cool. Cooler than I thought he'd be, and that's saying something.
Hopefully, case 4 will be better.
Yes, I agree. I saw them, too, completely by accident. That was one occasion where being air-headed came into good use.
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Anyone else get spooked out by the Badger going for Edgeworth in the opening cinematic?
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The best part was seeing Ema again <3
The worse thing about that is her time was limited. I thought she'd play a much larger role.Yeah, the opening was quite gripping. Though, I least expected the mirror trick. I found that pretty cool.
As for Ema, I wish she was just the witness. I really missed her, and she was still cheery there. Man, I'm quite disappointed at how she turned out in AJ...
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Also, I'm not so much of a fan of Little Thief. I would have preferred a surreal Edgey-recreating-the-scene-in-his-own-mind thing, snapping out of it regularly to explain his deductions to everyone else.
But the worst part is at the end, when Little Thief recreated the haunted house. I kept losing truth with the left hand/right hand things because I thought the Bad Badger had both hands free, due to the gun being ripped out of his hand. And everyone made a big deal about Edgey's blood being on a certain side of the sword, completely ignoring the possibility of flipping the sword or a backhand swing. And I thought the disappearing badger trick wasn't well designed, because people are going to notice a moving mirror wall. They would have to be absent while the wall moved, which would mean a trap door is quicker.
EDIT: Also, saying Lance struck Edgeworth with his bad hand to frame Oliver? Not only is that grasping at straws, but I can come up with a better explanation.
The sword was to his right so he grabbed it with his right hand. It would have been awkward otherwise with that costume on.
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As for the characters, I was annoyed that Ema was relegated to a small 30 second cameo. Other than that, the majority of the new characters were great: Lang was a worthy adversary, albeit an obnoxious one (his "Not so fast" is awesome though), and I felt sorry for Lauren about not knowing that "Oliver" was her father. Kay, however wasn't as good as I'd hoped she be (although the Little Thief gizmo that she has is pretty neat). as for everybody else,
On the music side, both Lang's and Kay's theme are great, but the rest of the music in this level isn't that memorable to me.
Oh and one last thing: I NEVER WANT TO SEE ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE BADGER FAMILY EVER AGAIN!
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And yet, I did not see Lance being the kidnapper coming, maybe I need to watch less animated movies and more academy award winning drama action movies, but it seemed like an amazing twist. Even more so when it turned out he was the killer.
Although looking back, Lance's plot and scheme reminds me suspiciously of a certain jeweler's daughter in a previous game. Hmm...
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What I didn't expect was the very end. I thought Colin/Oliver was probably tied to KG-8 because it happened 10 years ago, but I didn't expect Amano to be the real culprit in that case (although I did see some mild spoilers on this topic about him being tied to smuggling). I guess this answers the question I had at the beginning of the case, "What kind of person would be friends with Manfred von Karma?"
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Sure, some twists were predictable. I saw most of them coming (Lance kidnapping himself, Lauren being Deacon's daughter, Shi Long Lang actually being here to investigate Ernest, etc.), but the plot was so complicated that what I was really interested in was how they were all connected.
One thing I was disappointed in is that we didn't get to really confront the killer's testimony. We could have seen more of Lance... he seemed like an interesting character with an intriguing personality, and could have been developed a bit more, especially for someone who came up with such a convoluted plan to hide his guilt.
Strangely, I found this case incredibly difficult. It's the first time I got stuck that much in a case that's not the fourth or fifth one in a game. Shi Long Lang's testimony where he makes the argument that Lauren and her father knew they were related was REALLY hard for me. They didn't tell you like they usually do which statement is the contradictory one, and there were so many things I could point out that made what he said unlikely that I didn't know what to present.
I haven't finished the game, but so far I love how every single case is connected to one big plot.
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Anyone else think Lance's self-defense plea was a complete load? He was planning on killing Oliver and framing Lauren all along. Think about it. The mirror shatters pretty much immediately after Lance hangs up on Edgeworth, so where's the time for a struggle? By the time Edgey steps out the door right behind him, Lance has already moved Oliver's body to the end of the hallway to replace the missing Badger doll and hidden himself in the room around the corner, then knocks Edgeworth out...why? He was already leaving, so obviously it was to drag him back to the hideout and dress him as the Bad Badger to trick Lauren, and you know the rest.
For all the mistakes he made in the staged kidnapping (leaving the extra chair and cup, not tracking down the actual key to the hideout in advance so he wouldn't have to jam a sword through the handle, etc.), there's no way he came up with such a thorough staged murder plot on the spur of the moment.
Also, Ernest banning you from investigating the haunted house and requiring a simulation seemed like sort of a weak ending to me. I didn't think you could tell the police "I don't care if it's likely the scene of a murder, it's my house so you can't come in." Even if you could, why didn't Lang just get a search warrant?
I did like the case in general, but there's a few sticking points that made me blah.
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Same here. I got stuck at Lang's argument at some point. I got it eventually, but not without a handful of penalties. I also agree that towards the end the case seemed to drag, particularly when the game starts brain-raping you testimony after testimony.
But enough about the negatives. My favorite part about this case would be the Little Thief. It was a creative and fun way to go about the investigation and it really shows how eager the developers were to infuse logical thinking into the players. GJ CAPCOM. OUO)-b That mirror trick was also quite clever. I never would've imagined how the trick worked had Miles not explained it in the game, sadly.
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A thing that surprised me a bit was the "relation" between Manfred von Karma and Ernest Amano. Well I don't know why I've always thought that Miles has met Ernest between Ace Attorney 1 and JFA, but when you present your badge to Ernest he says something like "Manfred was really a great prosecutor, he was the best" and he names Miles the "true successor of Manfred" (I think he would've died for whip lashes if Fran had heard that). So I guess Manfred and Ernest knew each other quite well after all... I found this interesting.
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