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Author: | JesusMonroe [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:05 pm ] |
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Bad Player wrote: Spoiler: Spoiler: Nurio wrote: A bit late to the party, but... Spoiler: Spoiler: |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Sat Sep 06, 2014 12:08 am ] |
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JesusMonroe wrote: Spoiler: Spoiler: Well, allow me to give my two cents. Quote: Spoiler: But it's Layton! They're always blatant with the puns! D: Quote: Spoiler: Spoiler: Quote: Spoiler: Spoiler: Quote: Nurio wrote: A bit late to the party, but... Spoiler: Spoiler: Spoiler: Ooh, you wanna hear my theory? |
Author: | Nurio [ Sat Sep 06, 2014 11:05 am ] |
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JesusMonroe wrote: Spoiler: Spoiler: |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:57 pm ] |
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[quote=JesusMonroe] Spoiler: Yes, yes, yes. You put words to what was troubling me about that. |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:37 pm ] |
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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote: Spoiler: Well, allow me to give my two cents. Spoiler: Quote: Spoiler: Spoiler: Quote: Spoiler: Eh. Lots of games/movies that I thought didn't need sequels have surprised me (999, BTTF2, Terminator 2). I wouldn't be surprised to find out if people were opposing GS2 saying that the first game was better as a standalone (though, I didn't care because I just wanted more mysteries). There are worst games to choose for a sequel and I won't mind having another adventure with this crew. |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:02 am ] |
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JesusMonroe wrote: Spoiler: Spoiler: Quote: Spoiler: When the DLC episodes come out, you'll see how much has changed within a year in that city. Spoiler: DLC Quote: There are worst games to choose for a sequel and I won't mind having another adventure with this crew. I don't think it'd be a vs title. Takumi wouldn't want his two different games to be at odds with one another. He loves them as one big family. |
Author: | Ucha Nekome [ Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:36 am ] |
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Author: | Jean Descole [ Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:07 am ] |
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Ucha Nekome wrote: Spoiler: Spoiler: |
Author: | Ucha Nekome [ Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:11 am ] |
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Sierra Mikain wrote: Ucha Nekome wrote: Spoiler: Spoiler: Spoiler: |
Author: | tiger_festival [ Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:01 pm ] |
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Spoiler: EDIT: JesusMonroe wrote: Spoiler: Can I just say I agree with every word in this post? |
Author: | zpattack12 [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:30 pm ] |
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Sooooo, I just got through the game, and while I'm sure my points have been said in various posts on the board, I still do want to put in my two cents. Spoiler: Entire Game |
Author: | Nurio [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:27 pm ] |
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sumguy28 wrote: Spoiler: Spoiler: |
Author: | Danchat [ Wed Sep 17, 2014 5:16 am ] |
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Author: | Jean Descole [ Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:16 am ] |
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Danchat wrote: Spoiler: Spoiler: |
Author: | linkenski [ Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:42 pm ] |
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I kind of scratch my head every time I see the complaint that characters are weaker in PLvPWAA because it uses mob-cross examinations and the majority of the cast are Layton like caricatured characters. I mean, c'mon, they have much more characterization and involvement than any other boring NPC in the other Layton games. I always skip the optional dialogue in Layton games because I've found after a couple of times you realize the side-characters are completely one-note and flat and they don't have anything interesting or funny to say for the most part. In PLvPWAA a lot of the derp characters actually had more substance to them. And don't you come and say that you think Phineas Filch is a better character than Emeer for example. Phineas can pretty much be summarized as *steals possession* "Oh, Cat's outta the bag, run for the hills!", he was a really flat character. Emeer actually does stuff that makes him more entertaining at least. I just think that at least if you compare Dual Destinies to this game, lots of characters even in the DLC episode of DD talk like broken records. They all have one or two lines that they just keep repeating and I always thought it made them seem less real. That's what I like about PLvPWAA. It takes the uninteresting Layton esque characters and gives them actual personalities and they feel more real to me than in an official Layton game. Not arguing that Lettie Mailer or alike are that deep. But try comparing them to controversial ones like Mike Meekins and Spark Brushel, and you'll see they're actually every bit as substantial, so in that sense Takumi really just took the PL characters and made them more like our usual witnesses. |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Wed Sep 17, 2014 3:22 pm ] |
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They had more substance than PL characters but less than AA characters (even including AJ, which was the absolute worst game for characters IMO) Takumi often rides the line between a character being annoying and funny with certain characters, but I did think Emeer was golden and WAAAAAAY better than Oldbag or Larry. I burst out laughing every time he appeared and was waiting for him to be the 11th member of the vigilantes The major characters are more my problem. The main quadrio was fine (special mention to Phoenix and Luke) but comparing this game to Dual Destinies, Barnham doesn't hold a candle to Blackquill, Darklaw is worse than Aura, the Storyteller is worse than Fulbright (might not be the best comparison), and I even thought Espella was worse than Athena Regarding eccentric witnesses, I thought Dual Destinies did a pretty good job. Characters had more of an identity, I thought. Norma Deplume doesn't just talk about writing books, for example. Scuttlebutt isn't just a reporter in a box. Rimes isn't just a rapper. Way better than someone like Lettie Mailer, who has no identity outside of her job |
Author: | Danchat [ Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:00 pm ] |
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Quote: The major characters are more my problem. The main quadrio was fine (special mention to Phoenix and Luke) but comparing this game to Dual Destinies, Barnham doesn't hold a candle to Blackquill, Darklaw is worse than Aura, the Storyteller is worse than Fulbright (might not be the best comparison), and I even thought Espella was worse than Athena I definitely agree with this. One thing though, comparing the Storyteller to Fulbright probably isn't a good comparison because the Storyteller really isn't a villain, or at least he's like every single Prof. Layton antagonist-an anti-villain. I was expecting this from the start that he wasn't evil because it was a PL game. |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:03 pm ] |
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Danchat wrote: I definitely agree with this. One thing though, comparing the Storyteller to Fulbright probably isn't a good comparison because the Storyteller really isn't a villain, or at least he's like every single Prof. Layton antagonist-an anti-villain. I was expecting this from the start that he wasn't evil because it was a PL game. That's true. The Storyteller and Blackquill would probably be a better comparison, but Barnham and Blackquill is a better comparison than that so... The closest the Storyteller comes to a DD character is Damian Tenma, and he's not even a major character |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:48 pm ] |
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linkenski wrote: Not arguing that Lettie Mailer or alike are that deep. JesusMonroe wrote: Way better than someone like Lettie Mailer, who has no identity outside of her job Daw, don't go hatin' on poor Lettie. Sure, she can really screech and all (actually, it's more obvious in the Japanese version; her signature call in English was pretty cute), but she's a sweet soul. By endgame, she and Jean become pretty good friends. Besides, just because a character doesn't have much development doesn't make said character bad. It's only when a character is expected or meant to have development (aka the main characters) but doesn't that makes it bad writing. Any sort of development for minor characters is merely icing on the cake. And adding too many plot-central details to sugarcoat a main character can have just as bad of repercussions. Cakes need icing, but not too much, or they become less of cakes and more of frosting. Too much frosting can cause cavities and high blood pressure; not good for people. (And yes, I'm still talking in analogies to story writing. Cavities are plotholes, and the high blood pressure is forced suspension of disbelief.) But now I'm hungry for cake. Maybe I'll just stick with cookies... |
Author: | Emiga [ Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:25 am ] |
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Quite frankly, I was disappointed. That's not to say I didn't still have a lot of fun with it. Seeing the Layton characters interact with the AA characters was pretty cool. I very much enjoyed the segments that had Layton standing in court. At the same time, though, suspension of disbelief only got me so far with this game. Spoiler: The game definitely excelled in making me feel like I was playing both a Layton and an AA game, though it did tend toward Layton a bit. I never really felt like one side was taking too much precedence over the other. Though, I did feel like they innovated a lot with AA (multiple witnesses, limited evidence, the ability to compare testimony, the witness reaction feature), while the gameplay on the Layton front felt fairly weak. The puzzles were almost all incredibly easy. I don't have a lot of experience with Layton games, but from what I've played, the puzzles were fairly weak. The court segments had a nice bit of challenge, however. It certainly didn't feel as easy as Dual Destinies. Though, from an AA standpoint, I never felt any huge "A-HA" or "OH WHAT" moments. It all felt fairly predictable. In the end, I don't regret playing it, and I think if you're a fan of both series, go for it, but I don't know if I'll replay it. |
Author: | Leccoc [ Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:05 pm ] |
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I've visited this site for many years, but this time I felt like I needed to make an account just to express my opinions about this game. I'd like to state some things about the Ace Attorney style of gameplay. Spoiler: And how come there was no Jingle after every chapter and before saving?!!! That's why I feel this is a Professor Layton game with AA mechanics added. |
Author: | Klonoahedgehog [ Tue Sep 23, 2014 12:22 am ] |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtlvA6Df9AU&list=UU7xVh97yNiVhZksbdGu7nag I mostly agree with this video. Spoiler: |
Author: | Vgone [ Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:14 am ] |
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When I finished it I had conflicting thoughts, I felt like chapters Prologue-5 were great and had that magical feel that I wanted the game to have, but chapters 6-Epilogue sort of "betrayed" the expectations I had for the game because of the plot twist and overall direction the plot was going. I guess the first part just felt more Ace attorney while the second one was more Layton. However, the more I remember about the game the more I like it. In the past week it's gone up from "OK" to "Good" to "Great" in my head, up to the point where I'm actually thinking about replaying it (Something that I rarely do with games). I feel it could be the writing that's dragging me back into the game, or maybe the music. Gameplay-wise I loved the mob cross examinations, the overall chaos in the second witch trial and the first part of the final trial was hilarious. The idea of magic is also great but I feel like it was a bit under-used, overall the only thing I think this game needed was another witch trial at some point in the plot since I think the game had great ideas and characters that just weren't used very often.Layton is still Layton though and the puzzles were a good way to pass the time, albeit being easier than the previous games (Which I don't really mind). I beat the game in only 19 hours, much less than what I expected, but those are 19 hours I'd happily replay. |
Author: | B-Man99 [ Sat Sep 27, 2014 10:58 pm ] |
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Just finished it. Layton vs. Wright is now my favorite game. No complaints. Tons of things I could go on and on about absolutely loving... Spoiler: Potentially Spoils Everything Okay yeah I had a lot to say Could have said a lot more though |
Author: | Lida_Rose [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:35 pm ] |
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Oh, gosh, this thread exists! I actually played through PL vs AA a while back, and now I can put down my thoughts. MUAHAHAHAHA!!! Spoiler: Spoiling the whole game |
Author: | B-Man99 [ Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:29 pm ] |
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Yeah. Although I praised the game to death, I will say I completely agree with you as far as the way the ending handled Barnham and Darklaw Spoiler: The Ending |
Author: | Nurio [ Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:23 am ] |
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B-Man99 wrote: Yeah. Although I praised the game to death, I will say I completely agree with you as far as the way the ending handled Barnham and Darklaw Spoiler: The Ending Hmm... Spoiler: |
Author: | B-Man99 [ Fri Oct 03, 2014 8:04 pm ] |
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From personal experience with both I can completely back that up. |
Author: | Feriku [ Sun Oct 05, 2014 2:48 pm ] |
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Lida_Rose wrote: Spoiler: Spoiling the whole game Agreed 100%! While I'll rant for hours about plot holes in the ending, I really think I could have forgiven them all if not for this. |
Author: | angels_gal [ Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:29 am ] |
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I would tell you if i could but i have had this game for over a month now, and I have not played it yet. It's still sitting with it's original shrink wrap on my nightstand. lol. i'll get around to it i think. |
Author: | Klonoahedgehog [ Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:25 pm ] |
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Am i the only one who noticed the Marvel vs capcom reference in the last special episode? |
Author: | Lida_Rose [ Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:42 pm ] |
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B-Man99 wrote: Yeah. Although I praised the game to death, I will say I completely agree with you as far as the way the ending handled Barnham and Darklaw Spoiler: The Ending Well, I think I phrased that part of my post poorly. What I meant was... Spoiler: The Ending But that's still a nitpick compared to... Spoiler: More about the ending That's all I meant. I'm sorry I didn't phrase it properly. |
Author: | Ropfa [ Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:10 pm ] |
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90% of the game was probably up there among my favorites from both series. Though the ending reminded me of a certain Shyamalan movie. Spoiler: |
Author: | Smithee [ Fri Nov 14, 2014 4:21 pm ] |
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Author: | EdgeworthxOldbag [ Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:24 pm ] |
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Just beat in the game Spoiler: |
Author: | Miles Morales [ Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:06 am ] |
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It was okay but I don't think its a game I would play multiple times probably just once and that's all as for the for new characters I didn't like any of them as for the plot it wasn't that good |
Author: | MBr [ Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:15 pm ] |
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While the ending confused me, the rest of the game was very enjoyable. Of all of the Ace Attorney games I've played (if you consider this one) this one had me laughing out loud the most, thanks to the main four and the judge. The last trial needed a refill of your shields. |
Author: | shippersdreamer [ Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:25 pm ] |
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MBr wrote: While the ending confused me, the rest of the game was very enjoyable. Of all of the Ace Attorney games I've played (if you consider this one) this one had me laughing out loud the most, thanks to the main four and the judge. The last trial needed a refill of your shields. I was a bit confused at why they added AA 1's old penalty system, since the game would've benefited far better with the new one, but oh well. This game was down right hilarious though, and I agree with you that this made me laughing the most, the humor was just right. Although I feel as if it was a Layton game with Phoenix Wright elements instead of an equal balance, Phoenix, Maya, and the court segments seemed like they were tacked on. |
Author: | TheBlackquillz [ Thu Apr 02, 2015 2:29 am ] |
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shippersdreamer wrote: I was a bit confused at why they added AA 1's old penalty system, since the game would've benefited far better with the new one, but oh well. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that all of the music for the courtroom sections were the first game's music but all orchestral? |
Author: | MBr [ Thu Apr 02, 2015 12:29 pm ] |
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Seems to me that it was more of an homage to the first game of the series. Honestly, they should have gone with the penalty style of the Investigations games, because those games had cases that could go on for a while, and you needed a more forgiving penalty system. |
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