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Spoiler: In retrospect...
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Cormag, I don't think BP meant it to mock you - he just meant that compared to the GK games, GS5 has a low number of returning characters. Which is true - GS5 only has 6 returning characters (7 with the judge), 4 of which are basically cameos, as opposed to say, GK2's 14.
This.
Sorry, Cormag, you're right--I definitely could have phrased my post better and made it more substantive.
Also I agree with you that most of the returning characters in GS5 basically didn't have a role. However, I don't think GS5 had "many" returning characters, no matter what angle you look at it from.
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And yeah, the voice acting was horrible. It's not that the actors did any exceptionally bad jobs, but just bad casting. I suppose that at least Widget got a matching voice actor...
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I have to agree, the game forgot the "play, don't show" rule. They had obvious spots for mini games and they just didn't do it. There was almost no 3d evidence examination either. Kinda sad given that this is a game exclusively for the 3ds.
And yeah, the voice acting was horrible. It's not that the actors did any exceptionally bad jobs, but just bad casting. I suppose that at least Widget got a matching voice actor...
And yeah, the voice acting was horrible. It's not that the actors did any exceptionally bad jobs, but just bad casting. I suppose that at least Widget got a matching voice actor...
Partly agree. I'm okay with the acting, though not particularly impressed but I agree the game feels soooo railroaded.
I mean, what is the point of having the "notes" feature if the game constantly just takes you to the next place of interest and if every examination area is completely pseudo-linear (aka. check everything conveniently laid out in one spot to progress)... wait... I feel like I've said this before?
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linkenski wrote:
henke37 wrote:
I have to agree, the game forgot the "play, don't show" rule. They had obvious spots for mini games and they just didn't do it. There was almost no 3d evidence examination either. Kinda sad given that this is a game exclusively for the 3ds.
And yeah, the voice acting was horrible. It's not that the actors did any exceptionally bad jobs, but just bad casting. I suppose that at least Widget got a matching voice actor...
And yeah, the voice acting was horrible. It's not that the actors did any exceptionally bad jobs, but just bad casting. I suppose that at least Widget got a matching voice actor...
Partly agree. I'm okay with the acting, though not particularly impressed but I agree the game feels soooo railroaded.
I mean, what is the point of having the "notes" feature if the game constantly just takes you to the next place of interest and if every examination area is completely pseudo-linear (aka. check everything conveniently laid out in one spot to progress)... wait... I feel like I've said this before?
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Also in just about any Witness Testimony you end up hearing another piece of music before you get to the actual cross-examination because the dialogue back-and-forth just goes on and on forever... but oh wait, I'm in the wrong topic here.
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Spoiler: Aura
Spoiler: Case 5
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The "jump to any location" thing doesn't change squat. Events still happen in the correct order using a lot of flags, just like before. All it does is letting the player skip unimportant middle steps. I like that, because I hate tedious menus.
The new investigation notes feature only exposes how linear the game is. The thing is, I don't care. Visual novels are linear. Some let you mix a few threads at a time, but ultimately things need to happen in order. You don't play them to change the story, but to experience the story. It is more of a book than a game.
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Bad Player wrote:
linkenski wrote:
Spoiler: Aura
Spoiler: Case 5
BP, consider that having the dynamic of the three protagonists and having Apollo's leave of absence, the whole theme of The Dark Age of Law and all that does do things for DD to differentiate it even if it is awfully similar to 1-5 in its overarching plot. I've not understood every bit of detail in the JP livestream so after I've beaten case 5 fully (i'm at the investigation still -_-) I might agree with your claim, or not. But it certainly is an issue that the AA team needs to move away from in the future if it is as bad as you make it sound!
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What they did was to remove examination from areas where it isn't needed. That's all they really changed. The examinations are still like before, investigate all important spots to move on. The only thing removed is a little extra flavor text.
The "jump to any location" thing doesn't change squat. Events still happen in the correct order using a lot of flags, just like before. All it does is letting the player skip unimportant middle steps. I like that, because I hate tedious menus.
The new investigation notes feature only exposes how linear the game is. The thing is, I don't care. Visual novels are linear. Some let you mix a few threads at a time, but ultimately things need to happen in order. You don't play them to change the story, but to experience the story. It is more of a book than a game.
The "jump to any location" thing doesn't change squat. Events still happen in the correct order using a lot of flags, just like before. All it does is letting the player skip unimportant middle steps. I like that, because I hate tedious menus.
The new investigation notes feature only exposes how linear the game is. The thing is, I don't care. Visual novels are linear. Some let you mix a few threads at a time, but ultimately things need to happen in order. You don't play them to change the story, but to experience the story. It is more of a book than a game.
It sure made the game go by faster, but I did miss some of the extra investigation stuff. It just adds character, which is half the point. Don't get me wrong, fast travel is great and I'm glad that it let you know once you'd investigated everything necessary, but if the game is going to say, "I should show him THIS" at every chance, it might as well present the evidence for you. A little illusion of free will goes a long way.
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henke37 wrote:
What they did was to remove examination from areas where it isn't needed. That's all they really changed. The examinations are still like before, investigate all important spots to move on. The only thing removed is a little extra flavor text.
B-b-but Charleeeeey!
Yeah, in hindsight, it's just more time spent wandering everywhere, but it's that little freedom in a rather linear visual novel that makes it more of a game than just a book. If this series was a literary series from the start, that would have been fine. However, that's not the case. Visual novels in general aren't as popular among video game fans because there's a limit to actual interactive play. The anime scenes also add a little taste to things, as it helps better visualize the scenes, but that doesn't do much for the game specifically.
I keep repeating it, but Logic Chess in GK2 felt like wasted opportunity. If they do enhance - as in diversify - it in GK3, then that'd be so wonderful. Likewise, let GS6 have more optional things to do. I enjoy sidequests; that's why I always take forever when I'm playing an adventure RPG.
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henke37 wrote:
The only thing removed is a little extra flavor text.
Yes.
I suppose we simply differ in how much we valued said flavor text.
linkenski wrote:
BP, consider that having the dynamic of the three protagonists and having Apollo's leave of absence, the whole theme of The Dark Age of Law and all that does do things for DD to differentiate it even if it is awfully similar to 1-5 in its overarching plot. I've not understood every bit of detail in the JP livestream so after I've beaten case 5 fully (i'm at the investigation still -_-) I might agree with your claim, or not. But it certainly is an issue that the AA team needs to move away from in the future if it is as bad as you make it sound!
I didn't find the dynamic of the three protagonists too different (we usually only see 2 at once, in which case they tend to have similar dynamics to that we've already seen), and even if they spam "DARK AGE OF LAW!!" at us, forgery and corrupt prosecutors/policemen/attornies/judges isn't anything we haven't seen before.
In the following spoiler tag, I've written out the plot of one of AA's cases, but with certain details replaced with blanks. Now I wonder if you can identify which case I'm talking about...
Spoiler: Case 5
(Also, the problem isn't just that the plot was basically copied from 1-5. It's also that the foreshadowing they did was TERRIBLE. I had the entire contents of the spoiler tag figured out by the end of the first investigation of case 2.)
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And like you say the "End justifies the means" and "DARK AGE AF LAEW" gets so annoying when the term is so vague. It makes it sound like everything's gone to shits but it's basically the exact same problem GS1 portrayed and I felt like it did it in a much more IRL-reflecting way.
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I found a little Easter egg of sort during the third case.
Spoiler:
Ah, I love that video. Such a perfect crossover.
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Spoiler:
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About the last case...
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Spoiler: In case 3
How did they not get that right?
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Alright that's some spot-on analysis you've got there and I can already recognize it with the case 5 stuff I know so far.
And like you say the "End justifies the means" and "DARK AGE AF LAEW" gets so annoying when the term is so vague. It makes it sound like everything's gone to shits but it's basically the exact same problem GS1 portrayed and I felt like it did it in a much more IRL-reflecting way.
And like you say the "End justifies the means" and "DARK AGE AF LAEW" gets so annoying when the term is so vague. It makes it sound like everything's gone to shits but it's basically the exact same problem GS1 portrayed and I felt like it did it in a much more IRL-reflecting way.
Exactly... this supposed "dark age" has really been going on for a while. Manfred von Karma and Damon Gant were both guilty of murder and forging evidence, Edgeworth had been rumored to be forging evidence (and was on trial twice in the same day for two different murders), and Calisto Yew was also guilty of murder among other crimes and deceit. I could buy that the dark age hit a peak with Phoenix's disbarment and Simon's conviction happening within a year of each other. But come on. Really.
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linkenski wrote:
Something just came to my mind.
How did they not get that right?
Spoiler: In case 3
How did they not get that right?
And then
Spoiler:
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
linkenski wrote:
Something just came to my mind.
How did they not get that right?
Spoiler: In case 3
How did they not get that right?
And then
Spoiler:
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) so i'll just copy and paste here. Sahnie wrote:
Well, after a long, long time I post again. I played DD through yesterday and I have to say, I think it's 'okay', but not more IMO.
I'm gonna elaborate on the reasons for that, because i just love to list things :D
That's my opinion on the game, i guess. I know the negatives are more than the positives, but i still did enjoy the game, i just think it Comes after the Original Series in my Personal Ranking.. But still in front of Apollo Justice.
I'm gonna elaborate on the reasons for that, because i just love to list things :D
Spoiler: the negatives. Spoiler for the whole game
Spoiler: the positives. Spoilers for all cases
That's my opinion on the game, i guess. I know the negatives are more than the positives, but i still did enjoy the game, i just think it Comes after the Original Series in my Personal Ranking.. But still in front of Apollo Justice.
Spoiler: random thoughts
And I didn't See the 1-5 /5-5 similiarities until just now... But written like that, i guess they are very similar.
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Spoiler: Apollo's arc
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Wait... When does the DLC case take place? It seems like Nick just got his badge, but they already know Ban, but I thought Nick had his badge back by case two?
It takes place between case 2 and case 3. Nick gets his badge back shortly after case 2.
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Spoiler:
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Spoiler: case 5/case 1
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Spoiler: case 5/case 1
Spoiler:
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Spoiler: Apollo's arc
Spoiler:
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But to answer your question,
Spoiler: Case 3
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Did anyone else just know Aristotle Means was gonna be the culprit for the case the second they saw him??
I saw him on the japanese live-stream and didn't understand a whole lot, but I knew his english name was Means at the time, so I kept writing "The end justifies the Means" and silly stuff like that, so it was a surprise to me that they went with that in the translation. It was obvious he was the killer from the second he smiled, and because the writer was dumb enough to make Athena point it out. Not suspicious at all.
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...Now I have a really silly theory that Professor Means isn't 48 (or however old he's labeled as); he's muuuuch older. I dunno who's older; him or the judge...
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
"The end justifies the means" has been present long since someone in this game popularized the phrase. I suppose that extends to "Preserving the crime scene by all means!"
...Now I have a really silly theory that Professor Means isn't 48 (or however old he's labeled as); he's muuuuch older. I dunno who's older; him or the judge...
...Now I have a really silly theory that Professor Means isn't 48 (or however old he's labeled as); he's muuuuch older. I dunno who's older; him or the judge...
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