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I don't suppose anyone can translate the song they sing in the pirate show cutscenes? Aside from the fat lady's version, they don't sound too different to me, so either version is fine.


Spoiler: Sing-along time~!
♪ 7つの海を~大冒険! nanatsu no umi o daibouken!
虹色サンゴにゴツゴツ洞窟 nijiiro sango ni gotsugotsu doukutsu
海の底へもひと潜り umi no soko he mo hito moguri
大航海の始まりさあ! ♫ daikoukai no hajimari saa!

A great adventure upon the seven seas!
Rainbow coral living in the rugged caves
To the bottom of the sea, divers will go
The Age of Exploration has begun!


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♪ もぎ・とれ!とれ・とれ! mogi tore! tore tore!
金銀~財宝 kingin zaihou
獲物を逃すな! emono o nigasuna!
俺たちゃ海賊~ ♫ oretacha kaizoku

Pick, plunder! Snatch, pillage!
Gold and silver treasure
Don't let any prey get away!
We are pirates


They're actually vastly different. If Romance Dawn taught me anything, it's that there exist two archetypes of pirates: Peace Main and Morganeer.
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What's the name of the other whale that appears with Ale at the ending? Is it the same orca that was in the video with Natsukaze?
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What's the name of the other whale that appears with Ale at the ending? Is it the same orca that was in the video with Natsukaze?

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Yes, that be El (or L, whichever suit your fancy). They're the whale sisters!

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Busy with work... Just got around to finishing the case.

In my opinion, this DLC case was much better than any of the cases during the main game. Story was good, loved all of the new characters, and there was lots of volume to it (more than I'd anticipated, anyways).

The カンガエルート for this case really was shocking, I thought. Couldn't help but smile when I got to the "truth".

Very happy with my purchase, though judging from the file size it was probably already included in the game from the start. How very "Capcom" of them.
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Just finished myself. What a great case, and with the length of it and how much went into it you can tell they really wanted to make it good value as a piece of DLC.

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I didn't really have a solid idea of who the killer was for a while, though Uratori was ruled out pretty quickly. I'm a little ashamed to admit I suspected Gaku for a bit but soon the evidence against him was just getting too suspicious.

I got a kick out of Ikuya's 'transformation', and man what a breakdown! I caught onto there being two whales and Ikuya trying to save Ryouji rather than killing him a bit before the game got there, but it was still a great ride.

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There's just something enchanting about the cases where animals are present as major turning points in the case. This one is no exception and absolutely follows the trend. I can't get that catchy pirate theme out of my head, especially now that I've searched out the lyrics.

Kyu~i kyukyu kikyu kyuu kyu~i... ♪
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I am in general not a particular fan of animal mysteries, but I have to admit that it worked really well in this case. I happen to have talked about the topic a bit earlier this week (before playing this case) in a review on Higashigawa Tokuya's Kanzen Hanzai ni Neko wa Nanbiki Hitsuyouka?) actually....

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I'm not quite done with it (at the last 'phase' of the case), but so far I really like this case. Gaku might beat out Ban/Fulbright for my favorite character of the game.


Earlier today, I remembered the "Miles Edgeworth: Dolphin Whisperer" art that floated around when GK1 was in early development... I wonder that was the basis of this case, or if any elements from it made it through. Obviously, we don't have any actual way of knowing, but... just a thought I had.
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I thought you already finished this case. It's still my favorite case of this game!

I suppose they decided that "Dolphin Whisperer" still better fits Nick. Ya know, with what happens on the 2nd day of trial.
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I thought you already finished this case. It's still my favorite case of this game!

No... The last case of the main game just sapped my motivation to play. But now that DD is out in English, I figured I needed to play this to stay ahead of everyone else.


Also, we haven't heard anything about any more DLC cases or anything, but in this case, Athena said something about Nick helping her when they met, and Athena becoming a lawyer because of it... Sounds like Nick got her acquitted from a murder accusation. (No idea why Nick would be practicing in America, but hey, he did it in PLvAA.) I'd like to see that as another DLC case. (And definitely not just to purposely lose and get Athena sentenced to death over and over again.)
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Wait a sec. If Athena went to Eurmerica to study abroad, and that was around the time she met with Nick, he didn't have his attorney's badge. What was he doing? Something to do with law stuff, I'd think, but how would he "help" her if she was just an international student at the time? What, was he an honored spokesperson at a school or something? I doubt he'd become a law professor just like that.
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Wait a sec. If Athena went to Eurmerica to study abroad, and that was around the time she met with Nick, he didn't have his attorney's badge. What was he doing? Something to do with law stuff, I'd think, but how would he "help" her if she was just an international student at the time? What, was he an honored spokesperson at a school or something? I doubt he'd become a law professor just like that.


This is based off of theory
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Perhaps he was running errands for Edgeworth or...visiting Thalassa???(Oh how I want that crucial plot point resolved.) :wellington-crazy:

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Wait a sec. If Athena went to Eurmerica to study abroad, and that was around the time she met with Nick, he didn't have his attorney's badge. What was he doing? Something to do with law stuff, I'd think, but how would he "help" her if she was just an international student at the time? What, was he an honored spokesperson at a school or something? I doubt he'd become a law professor just like that.


This is based off of theory
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Perhaps he was running errands for Edgeworth or...visiting Thalassa???(Oh how I want that crucial plot point resolved.) :wellington-crazy:

If it's the latter point, then the localization has screwed itself over.
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Thalassa was meant to have traveled to America shortly after GS4, but the localizing team changed it to Japan instead. Of course, it's all possible that she later traveled to Europe for a different tour, but nowhere in AJ does it suggest that. There's no connection to GS4 in that sense.
Besides, the former point sounds a lot more plausible.
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Curious how long this case is, in comparison to other cases in the game? Also, is it completely comical? Is there any seriousness in this case, or is it one big joke? Lastly, how does it compare to other cases in the game?
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Curious how long this case is, in comparison to other cases in the game? Also, is it completely comical? Is there any seriousness in this case, or is it one big joke? Lastly, how does it compare to other cases in the game?

It's... about a long as case 2 or 3, I guess? I'd say it's goofy, but not comical. (YOU'RE DEFENDING A WHALE but if you lose it dies, and its trainer cares about it a lot.) I haven't quite finished yet, but as long as the ending doesn't completely fall flat, it's definitely up there.
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Just so everyone knows, here's the chronological order of the game.

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The Monstrous Turnabout, Turnabout Reclaimed, Turnabout Academy, the first half of The Cosmic Turnabout (the part where you play as Apollo instead of Phoenix), Turnabout Countdown, the second half of The Cosmic Turnabout, and finally Turnabout for Tomorrow

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What does Ikuya rap when he transforms?
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What does Ikuya rap when he transforms?

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You mean for his final two testimonies? One is about trashing Phoenix's name and claiming he couldn't manipulate the whale. The other is about claiming why he couldn't make a witness of out of Reika. Or, if you mean what he raps at the instant he transforms, then it's just trashing Phoenix, as far as I can remember.

Unrelated, but the Examination ~ Allegro theme fits rather nicely with his rapping animation.

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What does Ikuya rap when he transforms?

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You mean for his final two testimonies? One is about trashing Phoenix's name and claiming he couldn't manipulate the whale. The other is about claiming why he couldn't make a witness of out of Reika. Or, if you mean what he raps at the instant he transforms, then it's just trashing Phoenix, as far as I can remember.

Unrelated, but the Examination ~ Allegro theme fits rather nicely with his rapping animation.

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I'm asking about what he raps when he transforms. If you could can you write down EXACTLY what he raps? Can you also write down the Japanese character and romaji (the spelling of japanese with the latin alphabet.)
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I'm asking about what he raps when he transforms. If you could can you write down EXACTLY what he raps? Can you also write down the Japanese character and romaji (the spelling of japanese with the latin alphabet.)

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Japanese:

AHOY!
YO-HO-HO!
肉食上等!菜食少々!
ヒョロッちいヤツにゃ、
食らわすゼ証言!
YO-YO! YO-HO!
YO-YO! YO-HO-HO!

Romaji:

AHOY!
YO-HO-HO!
nikushoku joutou! saishoku shoushou!
hyorocchii yatsu nya,
kurawasu ze shougen!
YO-YO! YO-HO!
YO-YO! YO-HO-HO!

Rough translation:

AHOY!
YO-HO-HO!
Meat diet up! Veggie diet down!
The lean & lanky guy'll
deal a blow with testimony!
YO-YO! YO-HO!
YO-YO! YO-HO-HO!

Note: 'kurawasu' literally means "to make someone eat", but in this context, he's talking about dealing a blow.

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I think this should be renamed to Turnabout Reclaimed already.

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Wait, in one of the pre-release screenshots, when Blackquill mentions "荒船 エル" in his opening statement or whatever, was that intentional since the official website lists Ale as "エール" or is "エル" just another way of saying Ale? Because after seeing the English version of said screenshot, the screenshot is referring Orla as "Ora", I'm starting to think it's a very tiny bit of foreshadowing to the existence of the second whale.
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IIRC, エル is her official name, and エール is her nickname, or something... (Maybe it's the other way around?)

In other news, I have decided that Gaku has topped Fulbright as my favorite character of the game.


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You got it right. (And Gaku is indeed an awesome character.)
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But I do think how her name was introduced was intentional. It's too coincidental otherwise.
The Japanese script absolutely hates typos. Apparently, so does Nick.
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Hmm... So what would be the characters for Elle's (the other whale) name? I checked the AA Wiki but of course, the info is not guaranteed to be 100% correct.


Also, I'm curious, any reason why Gaku is considered an awesome character?
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Also, I'm curious, any reason why Gaku is considered an awesome character?

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AnsweringNOW wrote:
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Hmm... So what would be the characters for Elle's (the other whale) name? I checked the AA Wiki but of course, the info is not guaranteed to be 100% correct.

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It's just as what you put in tags above: 荒船 エル and エール.

Interesting that they went with the "Ora" spelling, though "Ola" probably sounded too awkward.


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Also, I'm curious, any reason why Gaku is considered an awesome character?

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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
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Hmm... So what would be the characters for Elle's (the other whale) name? I checked the AA Wiki but of course, the info is not guaranteed to be 100% correct.

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It's just as what you put in tags above: 荒船 エル and エール.

Interesting that they went with the "Ora" spelling, though "Ola" probably sounded too awkward.


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Also, I'm curious, any reason why Gaku is considered an awesome character?

オレサマはすごいってことは言うまでもねえゼ、ニイちゃん。

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Can you tell us why he's awesome in english?
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Oh fine.

Gaku is the vet at the aquarium. He at first comes off as a jerk who hates nosy people and is pretty grumpy most of the time. Actually, he loves his job and taking care of animals. And, he's a pretty cool guy, even if he's not the most polite. Besides, there are few people who can take Phoenix's abusive cross-examination and throw it back in his face.

Also, he has a tiny penguin friend who lives in his hair. Penguins are awesome, and this case proves it.
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Oh fine.

Gaku is the vet at the aquarium. He at first comes off as a jerk who hates nosy people and is pretty grumpy most of the time. Actually, he loves his job and taking care of animals. And, he's a pretty cool guy, even if he's not the most polite. Besides, there are few people who can take Phoenix's abusive cross-examination and throw it back in his face.

Also, he has a tiny penguin friend who lives in his hair. Penguins are awesome, and this case proves it.

His speech style is also absolutely amazing <3

anyway....
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Why did they hide the two whales? I didn't get the explanation at all... What did the show and stuff have to do with it? And why were they hiding it before the accident a year ago?

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Oh fine.

Gaku is the vet at the aquarium. He at first comes off as a jerk who hates nosy people and is pretty grumpy most of the time. Actually, he loves his job and taking care of animals. And, he's a pretty cool guy, even if he's not the most polite. Besides, there are few people who can take Phoenix's abusive cross-examination and throw it back in his face.

Also, he has a tiny penguin friend who lives in his hair. Penguins are awesome, and this case proves it.

His speech style is also absolutely amazing <3

anyway....
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Why did they hide the two whales? I didn't get the explanation at all... What did the show and stuff have to do with it? And why were they hiding it before the accident a year ago?

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Huh? I was under the impression that Elle was put out of commission because of the incident from a year ago; as a request from the Dangerous Animal Watch Center, or whatever it's called. Ryouji and Gaku obliged on the condition that Ale would be pardoned from the punishment. Afterward, the captain told the few members who knew to keep it secret that Elle had "left".

I'm not sure why they HAD to keep the two whales secret, though. Apparently when Ryouji first found the two whale sisters stranded on a beach, Ale was sickly. It was why she was never on the show before; she had to take some time to recover. Still, they could have at least announced that Elle had backup at ready when Ale fully recovered.

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It's so hard keeping track of which one is which.

I thought the Dangerous Animal Watch Center ordered them to kill Elle a year ago. And then, instead of doing that, they moved Elle to the Marlin Aquarium, and had Ale secretly take Elle's place in the show. But... why didn't the DAWC do anything, because as far as they know/can tell, there's still a killer whale out there doing a show, isn't there?

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It's so hard keeping track of which one is which.

I thought the Dangerous Animal Watch Center ordered them to kill Elle a year ago. And then, instead of doing that, they moved Elle to the Marlin Aquarium, and had Ale secretly take Elle's place in the show. But... why didn't the DAWC do anything, because as far as they know/can tell, there's still a killer whale out there doing a show, isn't there?

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I think they were aware that there are two whales, and since Ale hadn't done anything wrong, it was fine for her to star. For some reason, the captain decided to keep Elle's removal a secret. Maybe he figured since Elle was so popular, he didn't want fans to know that she had disappeared. And to comply with the DAWC, he had to move Elle somewhere.

Now that I think about it, perhaps Cap'n did explain Suzumi's medical condition, which is why the DAWC allowed them to keep Elle alive. However, for sake of publicity, they had to put Elle away, if only to tell the public that the "danger" was dealt with. After this year's case, since Phoenix revealed the secret, the DAWC allowed Gaku to bring Elle back, since there wouldn't be a point to hiding Elle's disappearing act anymore.

...I'm just wondering why they absolutely had to keep Suzumi's condition a secret in the first place, even from her boyfriend. Without knowing that, last year's mystery could have been properly answered, and this year's incident could have been prevented. Maybe I'm thinking too much into it?

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But the two whales wasn't publicly revealed. Putting Elle away to convince the public the "danger" was gone would make sense, but they kept the whale switching a secret.

Also, I can't help but think that DAWC wanted Elle put to sleep. I mean, if they just didn't want Elle near the public, couldn't they have just kept her at the aquarium without putting her in the show? Why did they need to hide her away at Marlin Aquarium?

Hmm... Maybe DAWC ordered them to kill Elle, so they hid her away at Marlin Aquarium, and started putting Ale in the shows without telling the public, but they told DAWC about the whale switch, but said that Elle was killed. It doesn't explain why the two whales was ever kept a secret, but...


Also, I don't think anyone knew about Suzumi's condition? They probably never did an official autopsy because it was ruled an accident caused by a whale, so they never confirmed it was from the heart condition rather than the whale.

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I know that Itsuka is a Villain but he didn't kill the victim so what did he do and who killed the victim?
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I know that Itsuka is a Villain but he didn't kill the victim so what did he do and who killed the victim?

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Ikuya tried to kill the whale by emptying the pool. The victim caught him in the act, but slipped and fell into the pool. Ikuya tried to save him, but failed. Ikuya then messed with the crime scene to make it seem like the whale did it.

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Hmm... Maybe DAWC ordered them to kill Elle, so they hid her away at Marlin Aquarium, and started putting Ale in the shows without telling the public, but they told DAWC about the whale switch, but said that Elle was killed. It doesn't explain why the two whales was ever kept a secret, but...

This is where I'm stuck too.
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It was the captain's decision alone that they keep the existence of two whales secret. Gaku had been tending to Ale all that time, but didn't spill it to anyone... except maybe Shouko? I dunno how she learned about them.


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Also, I don't think anyone knew about Suzumi's condition? They probably never did an official autopsy because it was ruled an accident caused by a whale, so they never confirmed it was from the heart condition rather than the whale.

You have a point there.
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So when did they find out that she had the heart condition? Did Gaku really not know until Phoenix suggested it?

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Also, I don't think anyone knew about Suzumi's condition? They probably never did an official autopsy because it was ruled an accident caused by a whale, so they never confirmed it was from the heart condition rather than the whale.

You have a point there.
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So when did they find out that she had the heart condition? Did Gaku really not know until Phoenix suggested it?

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Well, they found out from the clinic itself, not the aquarium, right?

You'd think if the aquarium knew, they'd let it be known. After all, it's in their interest to tell people that the cause of the accident was Suzumi's heart condition, rather than the whale...

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Are there references to rubber chickens with pulleys in the middle (or more generally speaking, Monkey Island references) in the English script?
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So, am I getting this right?

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Pearl Fey is 17 years old and doesn't know what a killer whale is. She literally refers to Orla as "that big creature".

...Really, now?

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Does anyone have the English name of Suzumi Natsukaze?
Or, well.. the English names in general yet?
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