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[SPOILERS] Apollo Justice: Development or no development?
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Over the years, before Dual Destinies' release, a lot of fans would complain that Apollo was brushed aside for Phoenix and Kristoph in the very same game he made his debut (which was also named after him) and had little to no character development. Six years after, I ask myself: are fans satisfied now with Apollo? Did he get the development he deserved? The exposure we've longed? Here are my thoughts:
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To summarize my thoughts:
Yeah, Apollo got development and exposure.
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I definitely like the development he got in AA:DD.
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Pierre wrote:
They development he got in DD was nice, but I'd have liked a little more looking into his family backgrounds and his connection with Trucy. That's still a big question mark as to what happened to him and who his father is, could be a good case there somewhere.
Well, Apollo WAS raised in the orphanage. So his father died in an accident too...?
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BonnyMono wrote:
Pierre wrote:
They development he got in DD was nice, but I'd have liked a little more looking into his family backgrounds and his connection with Trucy. That's still a big question mark as to what happened to him and who his father is, could be a good case there somewhere.
Well, Apollo WAS raised in the orphanage. So his father died in an accident too...?
Hmm I suppose thats fair enough but would still like to know more about who he was I suppose even if he had little influence in his life. I presume he's the reason he wasn't raised alongside Trucy after all, must have took him from Thalassa.
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Still, that wasn't enough. Compared to Athena, we know very little about Apollo, and I think he's the one they should focus the most on in the next game. The obvious next step in his development would be tying up the loose ends from Apollo Justice; it'd lead to not only some lovely drama and development, but it'd also involve Trucy, who I'd say is probably in most need of character development in the entire series at this point.
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Pierre wrote:
They development he got in DD was nice, but I'd have liked a little more looking into his family backgrounds and his connection with Trucy. That's still a big question mark as to what happened to him and who his father is, could be a good case there somewhere.
Yeah, I just view Dual Destinies as a game where they tried to establish a new cast of characters for this generation to star, as in, more main characters besides Phoenix, Trucy, Apollo, Klavier and Ema. We can assume that, in GS6, we'll see the aforementioned, Athena, Blackquill and Juniper, more characters to use.
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Well, Apollo WAS raised in the orphanage.
Huh?
This is news to me. Assuming this is real (which I don't know) it wouldn't be the first time the team utilizes orphanage raised characters, see: GK2 (and they were big characters, to keep spoilers brief).Pierre wrote:
Hmm I suppose thats fair enough but would still like to know more about who he was I suppose even if he had little influence in his life. I presume he's the reason he wasn't raised alongside Trucy after all, must have took him from Thalassa.
I think, assuming Apollo's father was a law enforcer, he was tailing the Gramaryes as a personal investigation. After falling in love with Thalassa, he decided to stop investigating them. But after Magnifi had his first ever grandson, he wanted him to live with them the life they had, but Apollo's dad didn't want his child to be exposed to whatever wrong the Gramaryes were doing. One day, out of nowhere, Apollo's father decides to leave him in an orphanage. Confronted by Magnifi, he asks where his grandson is and doesn't comply. Sadly, Magnifi plots a stage accident to kill Apollo's dad and the only ones that knew were every Gramarye except Thalassa.
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and I think he's the one they should focus the most on in the next game.
Oh, I think they'll definitely focus on him the next game, I don't think they'll leave that blatant plot point unaddressed.
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but it'd also involve Trucy, who I'd say is probably in most need of character development in the entire series at this point.
Yeah, Trucy's pretty bland and unmemorable, so yeah, she needs exposure, maybe even have her in more investigations even though we're with Athena or someone else.
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Scent wrote:
BonnyMono wrote:
Well, Apollo WAS raised in the orphanage.
Huh?
This is news to me. Assuming this is real (which I don't know) it wouldn't be the first time the team utilizes orphanage raised characters, see: GK2 (and they were big characters, to keep spoilers brief).Well, Apollo met Clay at an orphanage. (He explained so in Case 4).
Looks like speed-reading doesn't help, does it?
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BonnyMono wrote:
Scent wrote:
BonnyMono wrote:
Well, Apollo WAS raised in the orphanage.
Huh?
This is news to me. Assuming this is real (which I don't know) it wouldn't be the first time the team utilizes orphanage raised characters, see: GK2 (and they were big characters, to keep spoilers brief).Well, Apollo met Clay at an orphanage. (He explained so in Case 4).
Looks like speed-reading doesn't help, does it?
Ooooooooooooh, I thought they exclusively met at school. xD Thanks for clarifying.
Nah, I just forgot. xP
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GoingforMiles wrote:
I think the game did a good job showing his grief and how he handled it in his way.
I'm going to have to disagree with you there. As much as I liked the development he got, he never really showed any real grief over the fact that his best friend was murdered. He screamed once because Clay died before his dreams were realized, but that was about it. I would've liked it if they showed just a little bit more of his emotional side, but maybe that's just me.
Oh well, I guess we had to focus on how he suspected Athena, Ms. Center of the Universe.
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BonnyMono wrote:
Scent wrote:
BonnyMono wrote:
Well, Apollo WAS raised in the orphanage.
Huh?
This is news to me. Assuming this is real (which I don't know) it wouldn't be the first time the team utilizes orphanage raised characters, see: GK2 (and they were big characters, to keep spoilers brief).Well, Apollo met Clay at an orphanage. (He explained so in Case 4).
Looks like speed-reading doesn't help, does it?
I hope you aren't drawing that out from false memory. I've just gone through that bit, and there was no mention of an orphanage. The day Clay's mother passed, they were at school.
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GoingforMiles wrote:
I think the game did a good job showing his grief and how he handled it in his way.
I'm going to have to disagree with you there. As much as I liked the development he got, he never really showed any real grief over the fact that his best friend was murdered. He screamed once because Clay died before his dreams were realized, but that was about it. I would've liked it if they showed just a little bit more of his emotional side, but maybe that's just me.
I thought that part was just fine. He didn't need to show much emotion; he was purposely making himself emotionally detached from everything, but he still had his moments of release.
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Universe? Center? Director Cosmos? I'm sure Athena is the Goddess of the Moon. :P
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Thane wrote:
GoingforMiles wrote:
I think the game did a good job showing his grief and how he handled it in his way.
I'm going to have to disagree with you there. As much as I liked the development he got, he never really showed any real grief over the fact that his best friend was murdered. He screamed once because Clay died before his dreams were realized, but that was about it. I would've liked it if they showed just a little bit more of his emotional side, but maybe that's just me.
Oh well, I guess we had to focus on how he suspected Athena, Ms. Center of the Universe.
Well, he did seem pretty shut-off in the beginning of the case, but that had its explanation later (and of course, it could be a part of his mourning process). I myself think that scream was a big part of what made it so good, and then he left for a while so we don't really know what he did and in what emotional state he was in. And well, everyone mourns in their own way; this was his. However, that cutscene where he takes off his bandage and throws the jacket away... ugh. I have to keep reminding myself that it was probably done for a "cool" and dramatic effect, because when you just think of it, it seems so terribly disrespectful.
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GoingforMiles wrote:
Thane wrote:
GoingforMiles wrote:
I think the game did a good job showing his grief and how he handled it in his way.
I'm going to have to disagree with you there. As much as I liked the development he got, he never really showed any real grief over the fact that his best friend was murdered. He screamed once because Clay died before his dreams were realized, but that was about it. I would've liked it if they showed just a little bit more of his emotional side, but maybe that's just me.
Oh well, I guess we had to focus on how he suspected Athena, Ms. Center of the Universe.
Well, he did seem pretty shut-off in the beginning of the case, but that had its explanation later (and of course, it could be a part of his mourning process). I myself think that scream was a big part of what made it so good, and then he left for a while so we don't really know what he did and in what emotional state he was in. And well, everyone mourns in their own way; this was his. However, that cutscene where he takes off his bandage and throws the jacket away... ugh. I have to keep reminding myself that it was probably done for a "cool" and dramatic effect, because when you just think of it, it seems so terribly disrespectful.
The part where he throws his dead friend's jacket on the ground just like that? Yeah, but I always wondered why his arms looked normal, considering they'd been thoroughly wrapped in bandages.
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Hmm I suppose thats fair enough but would still like to know more about who he was I suppose even if he had little influence in his life. I presume he's the reason he wasn't raised alongside Trucy after all, must have took him from Thalassa.
I think, assuming Apollo's father was a law enforcer, he was tailing the Gramaryes as a personal investigation. After falling in love with Thalassa, he decided to stop investigating them. But after Magnifi had his first ever grandson, he wanted him to live with them the life they had, but Apollo's dad didn't want his child to be exposed to whatever wrong the Gramaryes were doing. One day, out of nowhere, Apollo's father decides to leave him in an orphanage. Confronted by Magnifi, he asks where his grandson is and doesn't comply. Sadly, Magnifi plots a stage accident to kill Apollo's dad and the only ones that knew were every Gramarye except Thalassa.
Jeez, it's like everyone forgot about this.
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Brushel: So... Thalassa married Zak and had Trucy, see.
It was her second marriage, actually.
Phoenix: You mean she was divorced? (I hadn't heard this one before...)
Brushel: Not quite. Her late husband was a performer, too.
He died in an accident on stage.
Tragic, really. They had only been married one year.
It was her second marriage, actually.
Phoenix: You mean she was divorced? (I hadn't heard this one before...)
Brushel: Not quite. Her late husband was a performer, too.
He died in an accident on stage.
Tragic, really. They had only been married one year.
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Yeah, but I always wondered why his arms looked normal, considering they'd been thoroughly wrapped in bandages.
And his hair became shorter in the process as well.
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Scent wrote:
Pierre wrote:
Hmm I suppose thats fair enough but would still like to know more about who he was I suppose even if he had little influence in his life. I presume he's the reason he wasn't raised alongside Trucy after all, must have took him from Thalassa.
I think, assuming Apollo's father was a law enforcer, he was tailing the Gramaryes as a personal investigation. After falling in love with Thalassa, he decided to stop investigating them. But after Magnifi had his first ever grandson, he wanted him to live with them the life they had, but Apollo's dad didn't want his child to be exposed to whatever wrong the Gramaryes were doing. One day, out of nowhere, Apollo's father decides to leave him in an orphanage. Confronted by Magnifi, he asks where his grandson is and doesn't comply. Sadly, Magnifi plots a stage accident to kill Apollo's dad and the only ones that knew were every Gramarye except Thalassa.
Jeez, it's like everyone forgot about this.
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Brushel: So... Thalassa married Zak and had Trucy, see.
It was her second marriage, actually.
Phoenix: You mean she was divorced? (I hadn't heard this one before...)
Brushel: Not quite. Her late husband was a performer, too.
He died in an accident on stage.
Tragic, really. They had only been married one year.
It was her second marriage, actually.
Phoenix: You mean she was divorced? (I hadn't heard this one before...)
Brushel: Not quite. Her late husband was a performer, too.
He died in an accident on stage.
Tragic, really. They had only been married one year.
Accident Onstage? Event happened years ago? THIS SOUNDS LIKE EXACTLY THE GOOD FOUNDATION FOR A MURDER MYSTERY! Just make it not-actually-an-accident, and involve Trucy and it could be a great finale case.
Still short of Zak punting BabyPollo into the horizon we still don't know what happened that led him to be abandoned I mean his family was pretty wealthy at the time and his mother was employed well.
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Scent wrote:
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Jeez, it's like everyone forgot about this.
Jeez, it's like you're assuming the writers will use the same background for him.
Must we really drop everything, though? It's a bit much to say that Apollo's dad was a secret agent under the guise of a stage performer.
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Accident Onstage? Event happened years ago? THIS SOUNDS LIKE EXACTLY THE GOOD FOUNDATION FOR A MURDER MYSTERY! Just make it not-actually-an-accident, and involve Trucy and it could be a great finale case.
Still short of Zak punting BabyPollo into the horizon we still don't know what happened that led him to be abandoned I mean his family was pretty wealthy at the time and his mother was employed well.
Still short of Zak punting BabyPollo into the horizon we still don't know what happened that led him to be abandoned I mean his family was pretty wealthy at the time and his mother was employed well.
I don't really care what happens, as long as I get to safely declare that Apollo's dad has died twice.
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
Scent wrote:
sumguy28 wrote:
Jeez, it's like everyone forgot about this.
Jeez, it's like you're assuming the writers will use the same background for him.
Must we really drop everything, though? It's a bit much to say that Apollo's dad was a secret agent under the guise of a stage performer.
Pierre wrote:
Accident Onstage? Event happened years ago? THIS SOUNDS LIKE EXACTLY THE GOOD FOUNDATION FOR A MURDER MYSTERY! Just make it not-actually-an-accident, and involve Trucy and it could be a great finale case.
Still short of Zak punting BabyPollo into the horizon we still don't know what happened that led him to be abandoned I mean his family was pretty wealthy at the time and his mother was employed well.
Still short of Zak punting BabyPollo into the horizon we still don't know what happened that led him to be abandoned I mean his family was pretty wealthy at the time and his mother was employed well.
I don't really care what happens, as long as I get to safely declare that Apollo's dad has died twice.
I'm not saying the writers should, is just that Clay's concept art speaks for itself.
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
And as I said in the GS6 Ideas thread, it says too little. If Magnifi was the AA-verse's version of Houdini, then who would Apollo's dad be?
I dunno, maybe his dad was one of those people that would get out of a tank full of water while chained down?
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