Is this game too much easy compared to the older ones?
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-You can analyze only places with clues in it
-Most of the movements between a place and another during the investigations are made automatically after you finished to talk rather then choosing where to go from the Move button
-When you have to show evidence during the trial outside of cross-examinations, there are often flashbacks which blatantly say what you are supposed to choose
Is this game too easy compared to the other ones or the other ones are harder as they are supposed to be?
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During the courtroom parts, you're given way too many hints. At times I felt the game thought I was stupid.
And the investigation parts are so linear, it doesn't feel like I'm investigating; it just feels like I'm dumbly following a script.
I understand that the investigations in the previous games could be frustrating at times, because basically there were too many things you could do at a time, and too few indications about what you were supposed to do to progress. But Dual Destinies goes way too far in the other direction. There are too few things you can do at a time; you barely have to think.
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But the difficulty was most certainly not the game's biggest flaw.
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This game is very easy--you even have testimony support. None are necessarily bad features, although many miss the extra investigations that were just for fun. Some of the hints given are far too obvious, I'll admit.
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Tainic wrote:
Well, DD is a lot easier than the previous games, but let's not forget that Ace Attorney = Visual Novel, as such, it can hold the hand of the player so he/she can progress in the story. (As it would be a shame not to finish that game, right ?)
Yes, but this software is supposed to be a game. If there's no challenge, I might as well watch a YouTube playthrough instead of playing it. They shouldn't hold the hand of the player, unless the player wants it.
Yes, it sucks to be stuck, but the obvious solution is to make the hints optional, or at least wait until the player fails once before giving hints.
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You can't lose health during magatama sequences.
They basically tell you when it's time to do a magatama unlock instead of making you figure out who to unlock first and when you have enough evidence.
You can save-load if you want, but you can also get all your health back with very little progress lost.
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I can sort of understand why they did it, since they wanted to get new players in as well, but it is disappointing.
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There were some times, where the hints weren't that annoying but...
Spoiler: Case 5
This was really a "what, really?" moment as well for me.
Spoiler: Case 5
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Tainic wrote:
Well, DD is a lot easier than the previous games, but let's not forget that Ace Attorney = Visual Novel, as such, it can hold the hand of the player so he/she can progress in the story. (As it would be a shame not to finish that game, right ?)
I don't believe being a visual novel has anything to do with difficulty. Holding the player's hand throughout should be reserved to a game which isn't rated CERO B or higher. Granted, easier difficulty is meant to appeal to a wider audience than just the experienced fans. Yet, if they also plan to appeal to an older audience as well, they ought to have considered sharply increasing the difficulty by the final case, or even the DLC.
Nonetheless, I sometimes do imagine if the difficulty would naturally increase if the AA games were sound novels. In that case, though, I'd appreciate several different endings to make up for the lack of pictures.
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Sligneris wrote:
There were some times, where the hints weren't that annoying but...
Spoiler: Case 5
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I thought it was weird the game included the "Try Again" option after the health bar disappears completely. Since it's so easy to save, that's not really necessary.
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The life bar should have played more of a role. The fact that it wasn't included during psyche-lock parts was really odd and I actually missed that it was there. There was no pressure anymore so it didn't feel as intense.
and that comic is so true. It's so easy to figure it out yet it takes AGES for the game to get there.
I love DD, but it's way too easy. I don't want to be told everything, even if I've already figured it out ten minutes ago.
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...Nobody's mentioned this comic yet?
I thought it was weird the game included the "Try Again" option after the health bar disappears completely. Since it's so easy to save, that's not really necessary.
Spoiler: Large image (fake case, no spoilers)
I thought it was weird the game included the "Try Again" option after the health bar disappears completely. Since it's so easy to save, that's not really necessary.
Omg that comic is perfect haha. This comic reminded me of
Spoiler: case 2
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and that comic is so true. It's so easy to figure it out yet it takes AGES for the game to get there.
The trend of having a piece of evidence that looks important but having to wait until the right moment to present it is not new. I'm reminded of
Spoiler: AAI-3
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Real Anime Law wrote:
Cravat of Doom wrote:
and that comic is so true. It's so easy to figure it out yet it takes AGES for the game to get there.
The trend of having a piece of evidence that looks important but having to wait until the right moment to present it is not new. I'm reminded of
Spoiler: AAI-3
No, it's not new, but it's way more common and obvious in DD.
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KōhīKazeToGengakki wrote:
Obviously, the game was created for newcomers. As such, there was a large quantity of hand holding, most of which was completely unnecessary, and that they took out the health bar from the magatama sequences for no apparent reason, and also didn't put one in for the mood matrix when it could have worked rather easily. The game literally worked by giving you more than enough help, and too little room for punishment if you somehow don't use it. Overall, yes, this was by far the easiest game in the series, but it wasn't bad enough to make me not enjoy the game, but I'd have enjoyed it better if it retained the difficulty from the older games.
I agree with that ^
The game was too easy compared to the previous ones (I missed the other mini-games in the investigations, and the pixel-hunting in the crime scenes), but it looks like I really missed AA to not care about that -- it's like the return of the prodigal son. But hey, there are plans for another AA so let's keep our fingers crossed! :D
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Pierre wrote:
Huh I hadn't considered they'd taken out all the punishment for Magatama...kinda concerning since the Magatama threatens to BREAK YOUR SOUL for failures.
...Upgraded spirit powers?
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Thane wrote:
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Huh I hadn't considered they'd taken out all the punishment for Magatama...kinda concerning since the Magatama threatens to BREAK YOUR SOUL for failures.
...Upgraded spirit powers?
...Perhaps it's a little rusty from lack of use and thus not nearly as potent? (Excuse).
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zpattack12 wrote:
Well, its not like the health bar in magatama segments actually make much of a difference. When you run out of health, it just kicks you out, and you can go back in. By removing it, it makes it easier, while not really effecting gameplay.
It's not so much that it affects gameplay, as it affects my perception of the gameplay. Without a penalty system, I'm much more inclined to randomly present evidence rather than think carefully about the answer.
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sumguy28 wrote:
zpattack12 wrote:
Well, its not like the health bar in magatama segments actually make much of a difference. When you run out of health, it just kicks you out, and you can go back in. By removing it, it makes it easier, while not really effecting gameplay.
It's not so much that it affects gameplay, as it affects my perception of the gameplay. Without a penalty system, I'm much more inclined to randomly present evidence rather than think carefully about the answer.Indeed. Besides, once your health bar of the Magatama ran out, you could only afford one wrong answer before getting kicked out again. It was still better than this shoot-all-you-want Magatama that arose this time around.
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sumguy28 wrote:
zpattack12 wrote:
Well, its not like the health bar in magatama segments actually make much of a difference. When you run out of health, it just kicks you out, and you can go back in. By removing it, it makes it easier, while not really effecting gameplay.
It's not so much that it affects gameplay, as it affects my perception of the gameplay. Without a penalty system, I'm much more inclined to randomly present evidence rather than think carefully about the answer.Indeed. Besides, once your health bar of the Magatama ran out, you could only afford one wrong answer before getting kicked out again. It was still better than this shoot-all-you-want Magatama that arose this time around.
I agree too, I found it way to easy without the penalty. Then again even with the penalty it didn't really matter since im sure people would either just restart from their save state.
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Pierre wrote:
The Mood Matrix really needed penalties. The validity of it was called into question several times and it took up the Court's time but you never got penalised for wrong answers so you could brute force it.
Was it really called into question 'several' times, though? I'm not saying it doesn't need a penalty system, because it really does, but it almost bothered me more that everyone just blindly accepted feelings as proof/the witness spilled the beans immediately whenever you were correct.
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Thane wrote:
Pierre wrote:
The Mood Matrix really needed penalties. The validity of it was called into question several times and it took up the Court's time but you never got penalised for wrong answers so you could brute force it.
Was it really called into question 'several' times, though? I'm not saying it doesn't need a penalty system, because it really does, but it almost bothered me more that everyone just blindly accepted feelings as proof/the witness spilled the beans immediately whenever you were correct.
Hmm the validity of emotions as evidence was brought up several times in the last case I think.
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Pierre wrote:
Thane wrote:
Pierre wrote:
The Mood Matrix really needed penalties. The validity of it was called into question several times and it took up the Court's time but you never got penalised for wrong answers so you could brute force it.
Was it really called into question 'several' times, though? I'm not saying it doesn't need a penalty system, because it really does, but it almost bothered me more that everyone just blindly accepted feelings as proof/the witness spilled the beans immediately whenever you were correct.
Hmm the validity of emotions as evidence was brought up several times in the last case I think.
Really? I can only remember it happening on one occasion, and it was quickly brushed aside by the Judge saying something along the lines of "oh I can vouch for it, I mean it worked before!".
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Spoiler: DD in general, I suppose
Oh and please stop "clearing out" my evidence... I like reviewing all the data at various points in the case. Do they do this for tech limitations? For some reason I doubt it, but I suppose its possible...
I didn't even know about the consult option til I looked at these forums...
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Ugh, this part was one of the worst in terms of feeling like the game was insulting my intelligence.
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Ugh, this part was one of the worst in terms of feeling like the game was insulting my intelligence.
Yeah and it's pretty near the end as well when you'd expect they'd turn up the difficulty. I laughed nervously wondering "Is this a real question?" when that came up.
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Pierre wrote:
Jozerick wrote:
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Spoiler: Turnabout Reclaimed
Ugh, this part was one of the worst in terms of feeling like the game was insulting my intelligence.
Yeah and it's pretty near the end as well when you'd expect they'd turn up the difficulty. I laughed nervously wondering "Is this a real question?" when that came up.
I don't know about you guys but, has anyone ever noticed how the difficulty decreases greatly when the game gets a sequel on the 3ds? It's like they want newcomers to start with Dual Destinies instead of the very first game. (Which they succeeded.)
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I don't know about you guys but, has anyone ever noticed how the difficulty decreases greatly when the game gets a sequel on the 3ds? It's like they want newcomers to start with Dual Destinies instead of the very first game. (Which they succeeded.)
Getting newcomers to the game isn't necessary a bad thing, especially since the series needs more followers so that we can have a better chance of getting more games localized. I do agree though that it would be nice if they did make the game atleast abit harder
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Oh and please stop "clearing out" my evidence... I like reviewing all the data at various points in the case. Do they do this for tech limitations? For some reason I doubt it, but I suppose its possible...
To be fair, the clearing out of evidence happens in previous games too... but they're more subtle about it. Or at least the process doesn't involve so many panties.
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It's not so much that it affects gameplay, as it affects my perception of the gameplay. Without a penalty system, I'm much more inclined to randomly present evidence rather than think carefully about the answer.
Indeed. Besides, once your health bar of the Magatama ran out, you could only afford one wrong answer before getting kicked out again. It was still better than this shoot-all-you-want Magatama that arose this time around.
I agree too, I found it way to easy without the penalty. Then again even with the penalty it didn't really matter since im sure people would either just restart from their save state.
When you truly think about it, it really is all about perception. Mechanically, it's exactly the same. Sure even if they kick you out, you're less than 30 seconds away from getting back to that spot. It's like dying in Super Meat Boy. If you die in Super Meat Boy, its just its way of telling you you messed up. Phoenix Wright doesn't need to kick you out to tell you it messed up, so really the only reason it would do that is for perception issues. I don't know about you, but I always noticed this kinda stuff, and I really do think most people are smart enough to see through it. So really, to the people who were had expectations of it, those people were usually Ace Attorney fans and knew what that penalties didn't matter. For the newcomer, all it does is prevent frustration of going through the same part a few times. It isn't easier, its less punishing, and personally, games that are punishing are bad. I agree wholeheartedly with the removal of penalties in magatama sequences, and wholeheartedly with the "Game Over" mechanics. In a game like Phoenix Wright, once you get past a part, you can get past it again with ease, so by making you play through it all again just creates frustration, and wasted time.
All in all, the new mechanics seem to be very well thought out, and make perfect sense. This is a decision I will stand by.
Tl;DR: New penalty mechanics don't make the game easier, it makes it less punishing, which is what you want in a game like Phoenix Wright.
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