Hmm... I don't know. I didn't really catch anything I thought was a major offense on my first playthrough with Nick (other than about every 3rd line of monologue of his during the trial in 5-5, not to mention "NOOOOO") but I still stand by that the investigation segments characterize him with traits of AJ:AA Nick while the trials have him be like T&T Nick. You know... maybe he'd just decided that he should keep his courtroom image, and he's just more mature and laid back when he's not in court? He knows what he did during GS1-3 brought him success so why not just put on that mask whenever he's in court?

Here's my two cents on Phoenix...

The thing is, when you're playing the game as Apollo or Athena, Phoenix seems really experienced and helpful. But when you're actually playing as Phoenix, he seems less experienced - more like a newbie than a lawyer who got his badge BACK. At some times, he seemed like a complete idiot, but at other times, he seems like the very best that no lawyer ever was. But anyway, I didn't even bother reading through the other posts before posting this, so if someone else already mentioned this... Hats off to you.

By the way why wasn't the office made to look it did in the original trilogy after he got his badge back?

They should have evolved his character like they did with Edgeworth. They did Edgeworth right. I think though that because the game had three protagonist's that it took away from Phoenix's character.

By the way why wasn't the office made to look it did in the original trilogy after he got his badge back?

Nah, it looks cool now. You know, the beanie is on the trophy and there are papers on the table.

It's a full-fledged law office now. Magical law office.

At least they keep Charley spotless. Mia's ghost would haunt them for eternity and thereafter if they didn't

I assumed Fey and Co and WAA was the same location that just went through several renovations

They moved him from his usual spot though, since the Fey & Co.

He's just saying Charley was moved from his place back when the place was still called "Fey & Co." Well, they had to bring in a piano, so some things had to be rearranged.

Charley was moved closer to the door. He has been promoted to the welcoming committee.

It's actually a pretty terrible place for a plant if you think about it. People burst through the door everyday. Someone is going to shatter Charley eventually

The only ones who "burst through the door everyday" are the three kids who work here. If any of them knocked Charley over, they're going to get their pay cut... if he actually pays them.

And believe me, sir, plants do not "shatter". Their cells are surrounded by cellulose, one of the most structurally firm organic compounds on the face of the earth. And since Charley, as a healthy Australian palm lily, has aged a good 10+ years and is in no condition to snap. (Apparently, life expectancy for Cordyline stricta ranges 40 - 150 years and grow pretty darn fast.)

I'm going to throw out a guess and say Charley is about 7 years older than Nick. 7 is a pretty recurring number 'round these parts.

That would make him exactly as old as Diego and 4 years older than Mia herself. Talk about accompanying young kittens.

That article actually made me appreciate Dual Destinies a lot more

And don't kill me, but while I still don't think it was handled as well as it could've been, I have warmed up to the DaotL more than before

Eh...if they call it "Phoenix Wright" on the box he should be the focus, not the (as the article states) "most understated of the whole game".

I'm not saying there was nothing for Nick and Apollo but what was there should've been more prominent. If Phoenix is the main character, we shouldn't need an article coming out MONTHS after the game's release telling us "hey actually Nick was important, didn't you get it?" to let us see that.

It wasn't really the article making me realize that Nick actually was important. Moreso, I appreciated the writing of the game with the way Phoenix acted as a mentor and Apollo and Athena's different interactions with him. Athena still feels shoehorned, but it is interesting how she's there to be the eyepiece for Apollo's character

Also, keep in mind that the game is called "Turnabout Trial 5." That's it. When it's localized, the title has to change and the series always gives the title to the playable character (or main playable, as T&T isn't called "Mia and Phoenix: Ace Attorneys"). Even without the DLC, Phoenix has the lionshare of the cases with 50% going to him, 30% to Apollo, and 20% to Athena (it gets even more skewed with DLC, becoming 58%-25%-17%. The math also isn't perfect because Apollo moreso had 1.25 cases than 1.5)

Call it misleading advertising if you want, but the US games have always had a character in the title and Phoenix makes the most sense to get it since he's playable the most. Yes, the game focuses on Athena more than Phoenix, but we don't call GS4 "Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney" or GS3 "Fey Clan: Ace Attorney"

That article actually made me appreciate Dual Destinies a lot more

And don't kill me, but while I still don't think it was handled as well as it could've been, I have warmed up to the DaotL more than before

Also, keep in mind that the game is called "Turnabout Trial 5." That's it. When it's localized, the title has to change and the series always gives the title to the playable character (or main playable, as T&T isn't called "Mia and Phoenix: Ace Attorneys"). Even without the DLC, Phoenix has the lionshare of the cases with 50% going to him, 30% to Apollo, and 20% to Athena (it gets even more skewed with DLC, becoming 58%-25%-17%. The math also isn't perfect because Apollo moreso had 1.25 cases than 1.5)

Call it misleading advertising if you want, but the US games have always had a character in the title and Phoenix makes the most sense to get it since he's playable the most. Yes, the game focuses on Athena more than Phoenix, but we don't call GS4 "Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney" or GS3 "Fey Clan: Ace Attorney"

But, but the colors in the titles! Blue is for Nick and red is for Apollo and purple is for Edgey! Are you saying all this time I was wrong!? DX So, what do the number colors mean...?

Anyway, while GS5 was split among the views of multiple characters, the focus was always on Nick and his legacy. Even through Apollo and Athena's eyes, we can picture Nick temporarily being placed in their shoes instead. He's the one who controls their minds and all. And then Apollo went rogue and Athena got herself arrested and who else but him would come to save the day?

And so was it Monday.

I'm not saying there was nothing for Nick and Apollo but what was there should've been more prominent. If Phoenix is the main character, we shouldn't need an article coming out MONTHS after the game's release telling us "hey actually Nick was important, didn't you get it?" to let us see that.

Technically, that article was posted less than 1 month after the game's Western release.
(Not sure why I feel like pointing that out as it doesn't really address the issue, I know)

But, yes. You're right. Also, people always say Dual Destinies refers to Simon/Phoenix or Athena/Simon but it can also mean Apollo/Athena, considering they're the ones who are going to continue Phoenix's legacy on two different paths. (So, in a way, the title to the game does mention all three characters)

And Pierre, I didn't really pay much mind to the advertising for Dual Destinies but I do believe it was made clear that there would be multiple playable characters, so I don't think Capcom was trying to mislead anyone in that regard. Athena was also the focus of a lot of advertising. That's kind of what I was trying to say, so I think Capcom was pretty honest there (advertising that the game has five cases on the other hand...)

If people think Phoenix is acting too goofy, they should just put his Feenie outfit on and suddenly everything makes more sense.
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On the actual topic, I liked Phoenix as more of a secondary character in his mentor like role than to actually play as him in DD. Watching him coach Apollo and Athena was so different compared to his previous roles, so it really stood out to me. In court though, I found him generally tolerable, but just not as interesting as he was in previous games, especially compared to Apollo and heck even Athena when they were in court.