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About the camera and the fact that it was cracked...

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Keep in mind, the picture of Mikotoba and Souseki was taken before they went to the beach. That means we have two options here.
1) The crack in the camera was indeed caused by Jezail fighting back. That means Jezail was killed before they went to the beach and the person who came in to loudly exclaim "I WANT EVERYONE HERE TO JOIN ME AT THE BEACH" was someone (the photographer?) in disguise.
2) The crack in the camera has nothing to do with Jezail herself and will be used to establish some sort of timeline. ("this picture of Jezail already has the crack in it, which means it must've been taken after 'insert event that broke the camera here'.")

Now, considering the fact that Jezail always wears a mask, I'm willing to bank that it was the former option and that the actual crime scene was somewhere else. The university, perhaps? After luring everyone to the beach and finding a way to drop the body in the tent without alerting Haori, everyone could've played out just as Souseki and Hosonaga had seen it.
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I mostly agree with you,Rubia. Germans have to Ben involved possibly in AA7 too

Anyway,to the above comment,there is one hole in your theory...

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Haori was supposed to be Jezail's assistant in the beach. How would she NOT notice that Jezail was dead by then?

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Spoiler: 2-1
That's what I'm trying to figure out... There must've been a switcheroo somehow. A point where the disguised Jezail disappeared and was replaced by the corpse. Just how closely was Haori watching Jezail? That's a blank the demo never filled in, because as usual, we weren't given the defendant's story.

Keep in mind here, it's very odd for Jezail to walk into a room and invite a couple of strangers to go to the beach with her. The only explanation I can give would be that this invitation was meant to gather some convenient witnesses in one place for a frame job. This, in turn, implies that the person who extended the invitation was the murderer, not the victim.


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Meowzy wrote:
About the camera and the fact that it was cracked...

Spoiler:
Keep in mind, the picture of Mikotoba and Souseki was taken before they went to the beach. That means we have two options here.
1) The crack in the camera was indeed caused by Jezail fighting back. That means Jezail was killed before they went to the beach and the person who came in to loudly exclaim "I WANT EVERYONE HERE TO JOIN ME AT THE BEACH" was someone (the photographer?) in disguise.
2) The crack in the camera has nothing to do with Jezail herself and will be used to establish some sort of timeline. ("this picture of Jezail already has the crack in it, which means it must've been taken after 'insert event that broke the camera here'.")

Now, considering the fact that Jezail always wears a mask, I'm willing to bank that it was the former option and that the actual crime scene was somewhere else. The university, perhaps? After luring everyone to the beach and finding a way to drop the body in the tent without alerting Haori, everyone could've played out just as Souseki and Hosonaga had seen it.


Some clarification and an answer to your question:

Spoiler: 2-1
The photo of Jezail at the scene doesn't have any sort of crack in it, and there's nothing to indicate we're supposed to be seeing it as a photo taken by the journalist rather than the police. The crack is in the photo of Yuujin and Souseki debating before the group went to the beach.

However, that doesn't mean the camera wasn't damaged at the beach. Given the game is set in 1900, the camera was almost certainly using glass plates, not film. If the journalist left the plate of Yuujin and Souseki in his camera, then if his camera was damaged later (say, during a struggle with Jezail), then the plate - and by extension the picture - could have been cracked. Or if the plate was in his bag and his bag got tossed around, etc.

Some sort of disguise/switcheroo is still possible, granted. I have no idea how the photographer would have killed Jezail in the beach house with nobody noticing, just that I'm pretty sure he did. :will:

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Oh, no, I don't think the crime scene photo was taken by the journalist at all. Far from it, even, for precisely the reasons you pointed out. ('this picture of Jezail' was a hypothetical third picture of the exact moment of the crime)

I didn't know about the glass plates thing, though. I guess it means that the camera could've still been damaged after the meeting between Mikotoba and Souseki?
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Spoiler: 2-1
I mean,with how long the first case of DGS1 dragged out with more and more evidence coming from nowhere I-5 style,you could say that there'll be more revealed with stuff like that with the end of the case. Let's hope the journalist guy doesn't need drag out as much though.

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Calling it now: I know the killer of DGS2-1.

Spoiler: DGS2-1, theory based off of the demo
So let's recall: the only reason everyone went to the beach was that Souseki and Yuujin had a chat at the university for posterity, and Jezail showed up and invited everyone to the beach. Murasame, Souseki, and Hosonaga accompanied her.

Now pause. We have four very important clues:
-We get a newspaper article (with photo) of Yuujin and Souseki's chat. Yuujin mentions that it wasn't their idea, it was the newspaper's.
-The photo doesn't appear to have anything that could be a clue - but very conspicuously, the image is cracked, as though the camera plates were damaged.
-Jezail was holding an ink pen when she was killed.
-Jezail's autopsy report mentions her pupils were very constricted at the time of death, but it wasn't poison.

Now, Souseki also has a journalist tailing him who pops up to take photos whenever he poses. It looks like an animation gag: but here's the thing. Said journalist also has an ink stain on the back of his hand:

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Conclusion: the journalist isn't just an animation gag - he's a real character, and he did it. He doesn't really care about Souseki, but he promo'd Souseki and set up the meeting with Yuujin to get close to Jezail. At the beach, he blinded her with the flash of his camera (the hut was very dark - you would expect her pupils to be dilated, not constricted) and killed her.



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Wow, that's a really good theory! I didn't even think the pupil dilation could be due to a sudden exposure to really bright light in a dark environment...like, say, a camera flash!

And it took me reading that theory to realize the weird streak on Mikotoba and Souseki's picture was a photo crack. I thought it was some sort of stray indoor tree branch or something.

Regardless of whether or not the journalist is the murderer (though he seems the most likely guy right now unless the case throws us a fourth witness), it seems that he'll be a person of some importance, considering the Famitsu screenshots show he'll take the stand later on.
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Here's some stuff I'd liked to see get resolved in the sequel
1) The list of names
2) Those 2 discs
3) Prosecutor Van Zieks (they need to expound on his character)
4) Asougi's mission
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So basically all the unresolved plot points from the first game? I'm hoping that's a given at this point.
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They did say all the mysteries would be solved... So adding to that:

> The relevance of the Hound of the Baskervilles story and how Susato knows about it.
> Anything about Moriarty.
> Did Sherlock find out about Watson's death before heading back to England on the S.S. Alacray, or does he still not know Watson is dead? What was Sherlock doing in Japan anyway? (helping some royal family, my foot)
> Why was Watson murdered at all? What was he investigating that was so important and complicated, it kept him away from home for ten years while Iris was growing up?
> More deets on Mikotoba's backstory. (I'm guessing it ties into Van Zieks's backstory, but who even knows?)
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Well,Sherlock has helped royalty in the books before,so you can't put much past him :-P
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Meowzy wrote:
They did say all the mysteries would be solved... So adding to that:

> The relevance of the Hound of the Baskervilles story and how Susato knows about it.
> Anything about Moriarty.
> Did Sherlock find out about Watson's death before heading back to England on the S.S. Alacray, or does he still not know Watson is dead? What was Sherlock doing in Japan anyway? (helping some royal family, my foot)
> Why was Watson murdered at all? What was he investigating that was so important and complicated, it kept him away from home for ten years while Iris was growing up?
> More deets on Mikotoba's backstory. (I'm guessing it ties into Van Zieks's backstory, but who even knows?)

In regards to Susato knowing about the story despite never having seen it would qualify as a plothole also hopefully the sequel will provide some answers about Iris's Dad
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It's not a plothole, it's very clear that the characters also find it strange how she knows about it, it's definitely a mystery that will be solved.
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So apparently a behind-the-scenes video was shown at the end of the most recent AA concert, involving motion-capture and tapdancing. Soooo... Which character will be tapdancing, if at all?
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Really? Is there a link to that?
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I haven't been able to find one yet, sadly. The fact that it happened is up on a Japanese Twitter and was retweeted by Court Records.
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Oh, I see. It's probably Sherlock, though.
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