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Author: | JesusMonroe [ Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:43 am ] |
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linkenski wrote: JesusMonroe wrote: Nayuta: Didn't I say you were chasing a deluded fantasy? *flashback* Nayuta: You're chasing a deluded fantasy What is up with this anyway? Why did they go back to AJAA-style flashbacks where they're completely redundant or encapsulate way more than the significant lines of dialogue, again? Is there some staff member back on the team now whose role was to delegate flashbacks in AJAA or something? x) I heard the flashbacks in this game were very overdone. There were a few in case 2 but nothing that bad compared to the original series, so I thought fans were just overreacting. Case 3, though, jesus christ. I wouldn't care if it didn't make the game load I actually wonder if the flashbacks are a way of hiding all the loading the game needs to do? Wouldn't surprise me |
Author: | linkenski [ Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:55 am ] |
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No, they clearly add extra stuff to be loaded rather than mask loading of something else. The engine is designed so you see the loading bar (which looks half-baked btw) every time new stuff is being streamed in the game files, and I think in general SoJ is just really pushing the 3DS and it doesn't help they wanted to tax it further with that admittedly beautiful Sepia filter and it also has a blur-effect that seems very high quality. That's why it loads, but I'm playing on n3DS with homebrew so while the framerate is only 3-5fps better the loading times are really not that significant for me as they seem to be for most other people I see here. |
Author: | Yash K. Productions [ Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:29 am ] |
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I agree about the flashbacks. Take 2-2, for example. Franziska: They rejected justified self-defense and pleaded not guilty. -No flashback. And then, take 6-3. Spoiler: There was no need for the flashback at all!!! |
Author: | linkenski [ Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:09 am ] |
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I'm okay with those sometimes though I agree with you two they are too frequent, but in AJAA and then sometimes in SoJ the worst form appears: (artificial example) Phoenix: He fell unconscious! *flashback* Edgeworth: What are you going to do Mr wright? Witness: Haha, try harder next time! Judge: Do you have anything to say, defense? Phoenix: ....... What if the witness was feigning his illness? Witness: Oh, I feel dizzy.... *CRASH* The judge: witness! Edgeworth: He fell unconscious! *CUT BACK TO PRESENT* |
Author: | EdgeworthxOldbag [ Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:21 am ] |
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Ugh in case 3-5 they flashbacked to the same scene like 6 times. |
Author: | Pierre [ Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:37 am ] |
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EdgeworthxOldbag wrote: Ugh in case 3-5 they flashbacked to the same scene like 6 times. Hold on...did that happen? *flashbacks* |
Author: | luck [ Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:24 pm ] |
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To be honest that flashback made me laugh because it was just so pointless. Most flashbacks in the series are to show again the foreshadowing for the big reveal, or at least show something remotely important, but that one of Nahyuta is so random and irrelevant that it feels like the game is making fun of itself. I doubt it was intentional but it sure was a funny moment for me. |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:42 pm ] |
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The second half was definitely a lot better (and while I like the divination seances they are way too difficult) though I did guess how everything went down right before the to be continued in the latter trial. I thought Maya was pretty much as expected and Rayfa was lovely I want to say this one of the weaker cases (trial-wise at least, the investigations were really good) but this is the only case besides 3-5 that actually made me cry...so I don't really know how to feel about it. I feel like I can't dislike a case that made me feel that way I do think the case ended too abruptly with Maya's joke, though. Like maybe we needed an inner monologue from Nick similar to the end of 3-2 or something but whatever, I'm overall satisfied. Given the story of the game itself, this case presented all the right elements that were needed from the rebellion to the DC act I also like how casually the photo in the rebel hideout was revealed Anyway, the theme of SoJ: could it be legacy? |
Author: | linkenski [ Fri Sep 23, 2016 12:00 pm ] |
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So far what I gathered is that the main theme in the game is something to do with standing up to your superiors and taking the mantle, because that was a thing between Maya and Rayfa in some of their heated dialogue, it was for Trucy and her legacy, and it is again the main theme of case 4 in some way. |
Author: | Jean Descole [ Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:10 pm ] |
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Re: legacy Spoiler: Possible Case 5 spoiler |
Author: | Planetbox [ Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:44 pm ] |
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Spoiler: Case 3 Spoilers |
Author: | Planetbox [ Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:44 pm ] |
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Spoiler: Case 3 Spoilers |
Author: | Apollo4Justice [ Sat Oct 01, 2016 4:28 pm ] |
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Pierre wrote: Spoiler: But you're forgetting one thing. Spoiler: Case 3 MAJOR SPOILERS |
Author: | Asursrus [ Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:45 pm ] |
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Spoiler: |
Author: | Apollo4Justice [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:03 am ] |
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Asursrus wrote: Spoiler: Spoiler: Case 3 MAJOR SPOILERS |
Author: | Nurio [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:18 am ] |
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Spoiler: 6-3 |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:57 am ] |
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Anyone else thinks that the clergyman tattoo has a sort of Ω shape to it? |
Author: | Kyarorain [ Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:32 pm ] |
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Spoiler: |
Author: | Tiagofvarela [ Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:54 pm ] |
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Kyarorain wrote: Spoiler: Spoiler: |
Author: | Apollo4Justice [ Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:37 pm ] |
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Going for Miles wrote: Spoiler: If you don't mind me asking, why blame Takumi? He wasn't involved in the writing of this case or the game, for that matter. |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:02 pm ] |
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Apollo4Justice wrote: If you don't mind me asking, why blame Takumi? He wasn't involved in the writing of this case or the game, for that matter. Because he's the reason it's overdone As of case 3, the amount of times each writer has utilized "Maya is kidnapped/the defendant": Takumi: 4 Yamazaki: 1 Though I'm sure if you changed it too "The assistant is kidnapped/the defendant", it'd be a bit more even for both of them |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:26 pm ] |
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I swear,this case probably is most balanced on the bad puns scale in terms of badness. Case one has 'ok' bad names,and case five and ok good names with one really terrible one. This one just has the worst ones consistently,I guess. |
Author: | Bad Player [ Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:48 am ] |
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JesusMonroe wrote: Apollo4Justice wrote: If you don't mind me asking, why blame Takumi? He wasn't involved in the writing of this case or the game, for that matter. Because he's the reason it's overdone As of case 3, the amount of times each writer has utilized "Maya is kidnapped/the defendant": Takumi: 4 Yamazaki: 1 Though I'm sure if you changed it too "The assistant is kidnapped/the defendant", it'd be a bit more even for both of them Spoiler: oops (whole game) edit: oops didn't see the "as of case 3" |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:48 am ] |
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Yeah, as JM said, he's the reason it's overdone... because heee staaaarted iiiit~ |
Author: | Slammer [ Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:42 pm ] |
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Going for Miles wrote: Yeah, as JM said, he's the reason it's overdone... because heee staaaarted iiiit~ Why blaming Takumi, who had no involvement in the game? It's Yamazaki (& his team) who brought Maya back in SOJ. And he's also the one who made her the defendant/kidnapping victim again. He could have given Maya a different purpose to be in the game, instead of just being a "damsel in distress"; and yet that's literally all what Maya has done in the game: being in danger. It just feels like, once they had decided to add her in the game, they didn't know what to do with her, what role give her that would've justified her presence, and so they played it safe by re-using two old and (by now) overused cliché situations. I'm not saying Yamazaki did a bad job at all (in fact, I actually liked SOJ), but I believe it's a bit unfair blaming Takumi for this. |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:59 pm ] |
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I'm not "blaming" Takumi for Maya's role in SoJ (I wasn't being serious when I worded it like that), I just said that it was Takumi's games that made it a cliché move from the start. Doesn't mean I think it was his fault that it happened again here. I didn't like that it happened so many times in the trilogy, and I didn't like that it happened again in this one, that's all. Quote: that's literally all what Maya has done in the game: being in danger Literally all? Her spirit-channeling didn't play a big part in the plot? (And if you count the DLC case as part of the game, where she had the assistant role) Quote: It just feels like, once they had decided to add her in the game, they didn't know what to do with her, what role give her that would've justified her presence, and so they played it safe by re-using two old and (by now) overused cliché situations. Amen. If they really wanted her in the game, I wish they'd be a little more gutsy with her character instead of having her appear and behave almost exactly as her teenage self and put her in those roles again. |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:39 pm ] |
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There was a moment at the beginning of this case where Nick meets Maya and he's like "(She's just the same as she was all those years ago...maybe too similar)." I really thought this was gonna lead to a character arc for Maya where she admitted she was still afraid to grow up and become Master but due to *insert events of game*, she realized that it's time for her to grow up because she's the hope of the Fey clan. Would've been similar to T&T but that's where i thought the game was going I did like the moments where Maya was a little more mature like the end of Case 3 when she talked to Rayfa, what she does at the end of the game, etc. They definitely should've been a little more brave with how she changed after the timeskip, both personality and design I still do wish she were in the game more but I can't think of a way she could be included more without a serious rewriting of the game (best I can think is move her meeting Nick to Case 1 and have her join him in court there. I suppose you could also introduce a new Khurainese character that could be the defendant in this case and have Maya be the assistant the whole time but we'd lose the parallel to the characters at the end of this case and more importantly, we'd lose Rayfa as the investigation partner). I'm a Maya fan but not a HUGE Maya fan, but I still enjoyed her in the game ultimately |
Author: | Slammer [ Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:46 pm ] |
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Going for Miles wrote: I'm not "blaming" Takumi for Maya's role in SoJ (I wasn't being serious when I worded it like that), I just said that it was Takumi's games that made it a cliché move from the start. Doesn't mean I think it was his fault that it happened again here. I didn't like that it happened so many times in the trilogy, and I didn't like that it happened again in this one, that's all. Oh, sorry! I had misinterpreted your words. I 100% agree with you here. Going for Miles wrote: Literally all? Her spirit-channeling didn't play a big part in the plot? (And if you count the DLC case as part of the game, where she had the assistant role) Well, in a sense yes. But I just wish her reason for being in the game had been more complex than just for using her spirit medium powers... Spoiler: Though, I liked her in the DLC case, so no complaints there! Going for Miles wrote: Amen. If they really wanted her in the game, I wish they'd be a little more gutsy with her character instead of having her appear and behave almost exactly as her teenage self and put her in those roles again. Yeah, that's precisely what I wanted to say. It feels like a big wasted opportunity for a further development of her character. Spoiler: Case 3 Unfortunately, that was the only time they actually showed us the mature, responsible and serious trait of the grown-up Maya. |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:01 pm ] |
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Quote: Oh, sorry! I had misinterpreted your words. I 100% agree with you here. No probs Quote: Spoiler: Case 3 Unfortunately, that was the only time they actually showed us the mature, responsible and serious trait of the grown-up Maya. Ah, yes. I had forgotten about that, honestly. It felt like they tried to do something with that "keeping it real"-stuff too, but to me that just felt like empty talking that didn't actually lead to anything. |
Author: | Danchat [ Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:29 am ] |
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JesusMonroe wrote: Apollo4Justice wrote: If you don't mind me asking, why blame Takumi? He wasn't involved in the writing of this case or the game, for that matter. Because he's the reason it's overdone As of case 3, the amount of times each writer has utilized "Maya is kidnapped/the defendant": Takumi: 4 Yamazaki: 1 Though I'm sure if you changed it too "The assistant is kidnapped/the defendant", it'd be a bit more even for both of them If you include the Layton Crossover, then it's 5 for Takumi. (I remember hearing Takumi did a lot of the writing/plot of that game.) |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:21 am ] |
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Yeah, I realized after the fact that I forgot about PLvAA |
Author: | linkenski [ Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:27 pm ] |
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But because it's Takumi it doesn't matter. JK They really just need to move on from Maya because she'll be forever destined to be in trouble in every game she appears in regardless of writers because it's such a trope. They should go the AA5 route for the next game and focus on a lot of new characters and then hopefully do it better so there are no Mary Sues or repeat plotlines lol. |
Author: | Miles Morales [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 3:24 am ] |
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In Regards to Maya you can see that she has grown up some and isn't the same as she was in the original trilogy. I suppose Capcom wanted to play it safe. |
Author: | Bad Player [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 3:26 pm ] |
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Armie Buff wrote: In Regards to Maya you can see that she has grown up some and isn't the same as she was in the original trilogy. I suppose Capcom wanted to play it safe. What? She's exactly the same as in the OT. She's her same goofball self most of the time, and while she has a serious scene or two... she still had those back in OT as well. |
Author: | Miles Morales [ Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:53 am ] |
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Bad Player wrote: Armie Buff wrote: In Regards to Maya you can see that she has grown up some and isn't the same as she was in the original trilogy. I suppose Capcom wanted to play it safe. What? She's exactly the same as in the OT. She's her same goofball self most of the time, and while she has a serious scene or two... she still had those back in OT as well. True enough. The thing is I didn't have any complaints with Maya in fact I was worried they might alter her personality too much but thankfully that wasn't the case. Plus it was nice to see her character again. |
Author: | AchtungBaby [ Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:22 pm ] |
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Contradiction in the opening cutscene of 6-3?! In the intro of this case you first see a guard realizing that Datz has fled from the prison. Then you see 2 rebels talking to each other: "Well, you know, with Datz back on the streets, things will be on the up and up for us." "Keep your voice down! You want that rebel hunter to find us or something? ..." And then you see Lady Keera haunting those 2 rebels... however, this isn't possible... Spoiler: 6-3 |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Tue Dec 27, 2016 1:29 am ] |
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That's...a very good point. And different from other "misleading intros" of the series Spoiler: 6-3 |
Author: | linkenski [ Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:08 am ] |
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Bad Player wrote: Armie Buff wrote: In Regards to Maya you can see that she has grown up some and isn't the same as she was in the original trilogy. I suppose Capcom wanted to play it safe. What? She's exactly the same as in the OT. She's her same goofball self most of the time, and while she has a serious scene or two... she still had those back in OT as well. There are a few scenes where her personality felt decidedly different to me from OT but they felt so tacked on. There are those one or two moments when she confronts Rayfa about Khura'in or something and it feels like she's doing it with her own agency and not slightly hiding by Nick or say it with that teenage-ranty attitude as she would in the past, but they felt really sudden and there wasn't anything to them in terms of giving Maya some kind of character-arc. That's my biggest reason why I just didn't care for Maya in this game. She has no arc and she's just there to be a Kurain Channeling plot-device two times. |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:10 am ] |
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That also sums up my thoughts on Ema in this game nicely. |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Thu May 10, 2018 9:06 am ] |
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Oh my god this cassssseeeeeee Spoiler: 6-3 |
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