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Author:  Bolt Storm [ Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:14 am ]
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This is a general discussion thread for AA6 episode four, Turnabout Theater! Please use spoiler tags when discussing any plot points of the episode that haven't been officially announced.

Author:  Indochine Ramera [ Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:11 pm ]
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Spoiler:
Still take with a grain of salt (I'm not that confident in my Japanese skills) but I believe this is the case in which Blackquill shows up and asks Athena to defend someone and that's also the same case he decides to randomly become the defense's (so Athena's) help at some point.

I don't know why I thought from the Famitsu scans he was supposed to be Nick's help in the Apollo vs Nick little face off, but from the screenshots I saw we're playing Athena while Blackquill is on "our" side so I'm guessing he's assisting Athena. Rejoice Cykesquill shippers

Author:  Thunder84 [ Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:01 pm ]
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Indochine Ramera wrote:
Spoiler:
Still take with a grain of salt (I'm not that confident in my Japanese skills) but I believe this is the case in which Blackquill shows up and asks Athena to defend someone and that's also the same case he decides to randomly become the defense's (so Athena's) help at some point.

I don't know why I thought from the Famitsu scans he was supposed to be Nick's help in the Apollo vs Nick little face off, but from the screenshots I saw we're playing Athena while Blackquill is on "our" side so I'm guessing he's assisting Athena. Rejoice Cykesquill shippers


Spoiler: Famitsu Spoilers
If Blackquill was the assistant, then what would happen to Apollo? Blackquill joins the defense mid trial, so Apollo would have to not be with Athena at all.

Author:  Indochine Ramera [ Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:03 pm ]
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Thunder84 wrote:
Indochine Ramera wrote:
Spoiler:
Still take with a grain of salt (I'm not that confident in my Japanese skills) but I believe this is the case in which Blackquill shows up and asks Athena to defend someone and that's also the same case he decides to randomly become the defense's (so Athena's) help at some point.

I don't know why I thought from the Famitsu scans he was supposed to be Nick's help in the Apollo vs Nick little face off, but from the screenshots I saw we're playing Athena while Blackquill is on "our" side so I'm guessing he's assisting Athena. Rejoice Cykesquill shippers


Spoiler: Famitsu Spoilers
If Blackquill was the assistant, then what would happen to Apollo? Blackquill joins the defense mid trial, so Apollo would have to not be with Athena at all.


My initial post got confirmed.

Spoiler:
Apollo is helping Trucy with her magic show (and Nick is probably still in Khura'in) which is why Simon decides to help her.

Case 4 begins immediately with a trial.

The Apollo vs Nick face off is probably for case 5 (and maybe Blackquill intervenes again then, I don't know, but it's clear enough that he's Athena's help on case 4)

Author:  Thunder84 [ Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:24 pm ]
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Indochine Ramera wrote:
Thunder84 wrote:
Indochine Ramera wrote:
Spoiler:
Still take with a grain of salt (I'm not that confident in my Japanese skills) but I believe this is the case in which Blackquill shows up and asks Athena to defend someone and that's also the same case he decides to randomly become the defense's (so Athena's) help at some point.

I don't know why I thought from the Famitsu scans he was supposed to be Nick's help in the Apollo vs Nick little face off, but from the screenshots I saw we're playing Athena while Blackquill is on "our" side so I'm guessing he's assisting Athena. Rejoice Cykesquill shippers


Spoiler: Famitsu Spoilers
If Blackquill was the assistant, then what would happen to Apollo? Blackquill joins the defense mid trial, so Apollo would have to not be with Athena at all.


My initial post got confirmed.

Spoiler:
Apollo is helping Trucy with her magic show (and Nick is probably still in Khura'in) which is why Simon decides to help her.

Case 4 begins immediately with a trial.

The Apollo vs Nick face off is probably for case 5 (and maybe Blackquill intervenes again then, I don't know, but it's clear enough that he's Athena's help on case 4)


Spoiler: Case 4/5 Spoiler
I wonder why Phoenix is gonna come back to Japanifornia, and why Apollo will go with him to Khura'in.

Author:  Indochine Ramera [ Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:43 am ]
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Spoiler: About case 4
Looks like a really long court-only case with no real link to the game's main plot. Best combo between Athena and Simon apparently though and it seems the only purpose of this case was to give them some spotlight since it had a lot to do with psychology (as both studied it and introduced it in court in DD).
You have a little summary post here

Author:  FenrirDarkWolf [ Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:53 am ]
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Spoiler:
That was a freaking long case.
Although it was mostly filler, I really liked it because, as some people said, it's a sorta nice epilogue case to DD.

Author:  Thunder84 [ Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:32 pm ]
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FenrirDarkWolf wrote:
Spoiler:
That was a freaking long case.
Although it was mostly filler, I really liked it because, as some people said, it's a sorta nice epilogue case to DD.


Spoiler:
Considering Athena will probably have a very minimal role in case 5, this case is actually a pretty good filler case. Even though it has no connection to the main story at all, seeing Athena and Simon together is pretty cool. Also, the main villain's phase 2 and breakdown look pretty good.

Author:  FenrirDarkWolf [ Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:31 pm ]
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Does anyone have this case's case art?

Author:  SuperAj3 [ Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:50 pm ]
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Started watching a stream of the ep and...
Spoiler: case 4
Image
The localisation team need to replace those bento with Pizza boxes XD

Author:  Thunder84 [ Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:21 pm ]
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SuperAj3 wrote:
Started watching a stream of the ep and...
Spoiler: case 4
Image
The localisation team need to replace those bento with Pizza boxes XD


Spoiler: Case 4
The localization team is going to have a LOT of issues with this case.

Author:  FenrirDarkWolf [ Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:22 pm ]
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SuperAj3 wrote:
Started watching a stream of the ep and...
Spoiler: case 4
Image
The localisation team need to replace those bento with Pizza boxes XD


Spoiler: don't read unless you already know the murder weapon
Strangled with pizza dough maybe? XD

Author:  Yash K. Productions [ Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:29 pm ]
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Thunder84 wrote:
SuperAj3 wrote:
Started watching a stream of the ep and...
Spoiler: case 4
Image
The localisation team need to replace those bento with Pizza boxes XD


Spoiler: Case 4
The localization team is going to have a LOT of issues with this case.

Spoiler:
It's all Yamazaki's fault! He's making this game too Japanese!

Author:  Bolt Storm [ Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:14 am ]
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So... the best way I can describe this case is "insert case here".

I can understand why they'd want a lighter, less plot-connected case after the ending of case 3, but this is so out there it's kind of hilarious. The case itself feels like they picked a setting/theme (rakugo/soba) and just went with the first murder that came to mind. It's just your run-of-the-mill Ace Attorney case without much of anything to distinguish it.

Author:  Yash K. Productions [ Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:17 am ]
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Localizing the rakugo thing won't be a problem: I've done some research, and rakugo can also be performed in English.

Author:  Thunder84 [ Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:28 am ]
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Bolt Storm wrote:
So... the best way I can describe this case is "insert case here".

I can understand why they'd want a lighter, less plot-connected case after the ending of case 3, but this is so out there it's kind of hilarious. The case itself feels like they picked a setting/theme (rakugo/soba) and just went with the first murder that came to mind. It's just your run-of-the-mill Ace Attorney case without much of anything to distinguish it.


This is easily the best way to describe this case. Not plot related whatsoever, but a solid case nonetheless.

Author:  linkenski [ Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:59 am ]
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I can't help but feel that this was meant to be a cinematic pan back to japanifornia after Khura'in, like a fade-to-black "meanwhile, at home..." but the problem is how the roles are arranged. If this had simply been
Spoiler:
Athena vs Blackquill without Nayuta it would've felt less forced into the game.

Author:  Blizdi [ Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:23 pm ]
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linkenski wrote:
I can't help but feel that this was meant to be a cinematic pan back to japanifornia after Khura'in, like a fade-to-black "meanwhile, at home..." but the problem is how the roles are arranged. If this had simply been
Spoiler:
Athena vs Blackquill without Nayuta it would've felt less forced into the game.


Nope. That would have been way more forced.

Author:  Thunder84 [ Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:43 pm ]
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linkenski wrote:
I can't help but feel that this was meant to be a cinematic pan back to japanifornia after Khura'in, like a fade-to-black "meanwhile, at home..." but the problem is how the roles are arranged. If this had simply been
Spoiler:
Athena vs Blackquill without Nayuta it would've felt less forced into the game.


It would've been hard to make it not feel forced no matter what.

Author:  linkenski [ Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:09 pm ]
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Haha, okay. I'll keep this sticking-point in mind when I play the game myself then, and get back to it then :P

Author:  FenrirDarkWolf [ Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:35 pm ]
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What, exactly, is the relationship between Bakufuu, Puuko and Biffu?

Author:  whitecow602 [ Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:08 am ]
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I really wonder how they're gonna localize this case
Spoiler:
A stand-up comedian died with Apples-to-Apples cards as a dying message that reads "4th generation head of burgers"?

Author:  Proyectil [ Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:52 am ]
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I wonder if they are going to turn the restaurant into a pizzeria or something like that, or if they are going to maintain the thematic and say that it's some exotic Japanese restaurant with Japanese spectacles made by Japanese immigrants XD

Author:  Meowzy [ Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:17 pm ]
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In my opinion, seeing how the localization team will hobble its way through this case will be one of the best things about playing it. I can't wait. They explained that 'back when the first game came out people didn't really know about ramen and that's why they changed it, but by the time of Apollo Justice they could get away with it', so they may leave the lunch boxes and such as they are. I mean, let's not forget, Angel Starr 'imported lunch boxes from the far east because they were such a big hit'.

Even so, for your viewing pleasure:
Spoiler:
Image

I'm too braindead to come up with a good pun name, but you get the picture.

Author:  FenrirDarkWolf [ Sat Jun 18, 2016 5:20 pm ]
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Meowzy wrote:
In my opinion, seeing how the localization team will hobble its way through this case will be one of the best things about playing it. I can't wait. They explained that 'back when the first game came out people didn't really know about ramen and that's why they changed it, but by the time of Apollo Justice they could get away with it', so they may leave the lunch boxes and such as they are. I mean, let's not forget, Angel Starr 'imported lunch boxes from the far east because they were such a big hit'.

Even so, for your viewing pleasure:
Spoiler:
Image

I'm too braindead to come up with a good pun name, but you get the picture.


Oh my lord that beautiful.
by the by, I never did tell you how much I like your avatar.

Author:  whitecow602 [ Sat Jun 18, 2016 7:21 pm ]
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Meowzy wrote:
In my opinion, seeing how the localization team will hobble its way through this case will be one of the best things about playing it. I can't wait. They explained that 'back when the first game came out people didn't really know about ramen and that's why they changed it, but by the time of Apollo Justice they could get away with it', so they may leave the lunch boxes and such as they are. I mean, let's not forget, Angel Starr 'imported lunch boxes from the far east because they were such a big hit'.

Even so, for your viewing pleasure:
Spoiler:
Image

I'm too braindead to come up with a good pun name, but you get the picture.



very nice, but you forgot to Photoshop his hairstyle to be a pizza, it still looks like ramen

Author:  Meowzy [ Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:52 pm ]
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whitecow602 wrote:
very nice, but you forgot to Photoshop his hairstyle to be a pizza, it still looks like ramen

Oh geez, I never noticed that was supposed to be ramen! It looks like normal hair to me.

FenrirDarkWolf wrote:
Oh my lord that beautiful.
by the by, I never did tell you how much I like your avatar.

Hahahah, thank you! For both those compliments!

Author:  FenrirDarkWolf [ Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:00 pm ]
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Meowzy wrote:
whitecow602 wrote:
very nice, but you forgot to Photoshop his hairstyle to be a pizza, it still looks like ramen

Oh geez, I never noticed that was supposed to be ramen! It looks like normal hair to me.

FenrirDarkWolf wrote:
Oh my lord that beautiful.
by the by, I never did tell you how much I like your avatar.

Hahahah, thank you! For both those compliments!


Spoiler:
When his hair falls down it does lol
Blackbright tho owo

Author:  Meowzy [ Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:11 pm ]
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Ooooh okay!

Spoiler:
I've never seen that animation. It sounds amazing though. I can't wait. (as if Eldoon's hair wasn't bad enough)

(I'm blackbright trash. But also Phantomquill trash. You should see my Tumblr, hahahahaaa)

Author:  simon8685 [ Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:23 am ]
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I know that this case is
Spoiler:
trial only
, but is it at least
Spoiler:
twice as long as case 1?


Is it
Spoiler:
seperated by days like 5-1?

Author:  FenrirDarkWolf [ Sun Jun 19, 2016 4:05 am ]
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simon8685 wrote:
I know that this case is
Spoiler:
trial only
, but is it at least
Spoiler:
twice as long as case 1?


Is it
Spoiler:
seperated by days like 5-1?


Spoiler:
Nope, it's one, long trial day. It's about as long as Case 2. So 3-4 hours long.

Author:  chariset [ Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:18 am ]
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Is it ever explained why
Spoiler:
Nayuta is prosecuting this case? I can't see Edgeworth saying "Sure, foreign prosecutor from a country where the court system is even worse than this one, go ahead and take this case."

Author:  FenrirDarkWolf [ Sun Jun 19, 2016 7:01 am ]
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chariset wrote:
Is it ever explained why
Spoiler:
Nayuta is prosecuting this case? I can't see Edgeworth saying "Sure, foreign prosecutor from a country where the court system is even worse than this one, go ahead and take this case."


Spoiler:
Probably because of a lack of personnel, tis the whole reason Nayuta prosecutes Case 2; because Edgeworth is doing a cleanout of the prosecutor's office and they're short on manpower.

Author:  Ash [ Sun Jun 19, 2016 9:16 am ]
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Meowzy wrote:
whitecow602 wrote:
very nice, but you forgot to Photoshop his hairstyle to be a pizza, it still looks like ramen

Oh geez, I never noticed that was supposed to be ramen! It looks like normal hair to me.

It's not ramen though, it's soba. Which is quite different from ramen. It's not even made from the same ingredients. And the fact it is soba, is actually quite important throughout the case.

(And as someone who loves his noodle dishes, I really can't have people mixing up ramen, udon and soba!)

Author:  Meowzy [ Sun Jun 19, 2016 9:22 am ]
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*snerk*

Well considering the color, soba does make more sense for the hair.

Author:  FenrirDarkWolf [ Sun Jun 19, 2016 9:29 am ]
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I'm just gonna guess they're gonna translate it into a Japanese-style restaurant in a sort of a Japantown area.
Despite the fact that this case is VERY JAPANESE, I'm sure they can do it.

Author:  Bad Player [ Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:07 am ]
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Man, they reaaaaaaaaaaaaally hate Janet Hsu, don't they.

Author:  Ash [ Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:12 am ]
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FenrirDarkWolf wrote:
I'm just gonna guess they're gonna translate it into a Japanese-style restaurant in a sort of a Japantown area.
Despite the fact that this case is VERY JAPANESE, I'm sure they can do it.

Oh, yeah, that reminds me, but I hope you understand the story isn't set at a restaurant? It's set at a yose, a theater/venue for rakugo/manzai/etc. performances. Susuru was just delivering food.

Author:  FenrirDarkWolf [ Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:37 am ]
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Ash wrote:
Oh, yeah, that reminds me, but I hope you understand the story isn't set at a restaurant? It's set at a yose, a theater/venue for rakugo/manzai/etc. performances. Susuru was just delivering food.


Oh, okay.
Time to edit the wiki (and since I made the Turnabout Theatre and Turnabout Revolution pages, I make it my job to fix any mess ups)~

Author:  Meowzy [ Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:30 pm ]
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Just make sure I've got this right:

Spoiler:
Susuru works at a soba shop and was delivering food to the master at the yose? But because they wanted to let Puuka (or whatever her name is) join in on dinner, they made udon instead of soba? And theeen... She killed the master with the udon dough, blood ended up on the dough so she fed it to the dog...? And the character who has DID witnessed the crime (in the little child personality) and rearranged the karuta cards to frame Susuru for some reason?


Is all that correct?

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