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Author:  Southern Corn [ Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:30 pm ]
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I noticed a lot of confusion surrounding the killer. Let me clear it up.
Spoiler:
Their father was not the victim,Taifu Toneido. He was Uendo Toneido the first. So their crime was NOT patricide.

Author:  JesusMonroe [ Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:42 pm ]
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I just skimmed through this thread and didn't see it mentioned, but the localizers went the extra mile in this case. Even though this animation only appeared once, they localized the kanji on Uendo's fan

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Author:  Going for Miles [ Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:49 pm ]
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Neat! What did it say?

Author:  JesusMonroe [ Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:49 pm ]
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"Uendo Toneido" as opposed to "Bifuu Senpuutei"

So they changed the kanji on the fan even though most Western fans wouldn't be able to read it

Author:  Going for Miles [ Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:54 pm ]
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Aaah. That's a nice touch.

Author:  Bad Player [ Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:57 pm ]
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Hmmm... What are the kanji? Uendo looks like 羽演人, but I can't read Toneido at all.

Author:  JesusMonroe [ Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:00 pm ]
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Here's another:

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According to reddit it says: 登寧堂 羽演人

Author:  Nurio [ Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:06 pm ]
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JesusMonroe wrote:
登寧堂 羽演人

This is the reason I am very wary of ever learning Japanese. I have to squint to even distinguish these characters, and then there's a crapload of them to remember

Author:  Southern Corn [ Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:17 am ]
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Yeah,apparently even the slightest dot makes the pronounciation completely different.

Eg.キ and ギ.

Author:  MBr [ Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:45 pm ]
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I'm taking Japanese right now, so I know all about it. For example this ツ and this シ are two different syllables.

I wanted to save this for a review of SoJ, but since this pertains mostly to 6-4, I'll post it here:
Spoiler: DD and SoJ
While I still think that 6-4 has no relevance plot-wise, I have changed my view on it not being completely meaningless.

I think this is part of a problem that began in DD: the cast of three playable lawyers is too big. It wasn't as big of an issue in DD, though. Since Athena was a newcomer, the plot could focus on her integration into the main cast. But there were criticisms for her stealing the show and Phoenix regressing to his trilogy self.

I think this issue is why Athena got a filler case and was left out of the finale of SoJ - there wasn't a way to work in the three lawyers with the Khura'in cast. But 6-4 was significant in her development. 6-4's purpose is to give Athena a new motivation, since she had already accomplished her goal in DD. That's why the defendant is somebody she doesn't know. Her previous client was Juniper, somebody she trusts. But now she has to defend somebody she isn't familiar with, and having no investigation means she has to build that trust in the trial.

So she takes on the case, and makes her usual mistakes. But Simon appears and tells her that she has a duty as a lawyer. Of all the characters to tell her this, Simon is the best given his samurai motif.

In the closing monologue, Athena has inherited the same passion for law that Phoenix, Apollo, and Simon have, as well as the sense of duty that Simon taught her. At the end of 3-5, Phoenix found the reason why he continues to defend people. Likewise, Athena has found her own in this case.

I just wish it was relevant to the main plot. Perhaps the defendant could be from Khura'in and Nahyuta was sent to track them down, but Simon and Athena throw a wrench in that plan by acquitting them. This person then appears on 6-5.

Author:  Going for Miles [ Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:59 pm ]
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I thought it was a sweet change of pace and a bit of a relief to have a case that wasn't plot-related.

Author:  Southern Corn [ Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:04 pm ]
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I was just looking through my list and realised that this is actually in my top fifteen cases. It's sooooo fun. It's everything DGS-4 wanted to be,but better!

Author:  AchtungBaby [ Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:23 pm ]
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I also loved this case very much, the humor was fantastic, I learned a bit more about the Japanese culture and I like that they placed it between case 3 and 5. Athena + Simon was a nice combo (though I didn't like how clueless Athena was depicted) and Uendo was just hilarious, one of my favourite side characters in the series. I just wished there was at least one Investigation part, a different prosecutor (Klavier!?!) and more unique music (apart from Uendos Theme (and maybe the Reminiscence-theme?) I don't remember any new music in this case).

Author:  JesusMonroe [ Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:02 am ]
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I don't know if this is already mentioned in the thread but is there a reasonable translation of Athena's "cause seven ate nine!" joke at the very end of this case from the original version?

Author:  Southern Corn [ Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:58 am ]
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I think it's because the kanji for emotions is similar to another one. So basically this episode was made because of a pun

Author:  Apollo4Justice [ Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:34 am ]
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JesusMonroe wrote:
I don't know if this is already mentioned in the thread but is there a reasonable translation of Athena's "cause seven ate nine!" joke at the very end of this case from the original version?

There IS, but to understand it, you need to have extensive knowledge of rakugo to understand it, hence the localized version. The translation eludes me, however.

Author:  Bad Player [ Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:36 am ]
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Well, it's not really "rakugo"... It takes the form of a "nazokake," which is a riddle/joke form that's basically "What do X and Y have in common?", and is a pun based on the fact that "感情" (emotion) and "勘定" (bill) are both "kanjou." (I forget the exaaact line, but it'd be something like "What do Athena and Time Soba have in common? Both of them rely on the details of kanjou")

Author:  JesusMonroe [ Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:28 pm ]
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Thanks! And subjective but is the joke supposed to be funny/clever? Or is it supposed to be deliberately low-effort like the English one?

Author:  Southern Corn [ Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:56 pm ]
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I'd give it a Luke Atmey/Pees'lubn Andistan'dhin.

Author:  Going for Miles [ Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:11 pm ]
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I thought it was funny...

Author:  Bad Player [ Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:56 pm ]
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JesusMonroe wrote:
Thanks! And subjective but is the joke supposed to be funny/clever? Or is it supposed to be deliberately low-effort like the English one?

I wouldn't call it low-effort, but it was probably one of those puns where you give them points for cleverness but still groan cuz it's a terrible pun.

Author:  Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:33 am ]
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It was a terrible pun, but I'm a sucker for puns. Blackquill got his revenge by making a pun of her name in one of the wrong options, though.

What was the context around the 7-ate-9 joke?

Author:  Apollo4Justice [ Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:06 am ]
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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
It was a terrible pun, but I'm a sucker for puns. Blackquill got his revenge by making a pun of her name in one of the wrong options, though.

What was the context around the 7-ate-9 joke?

If you're talking about the subject of the joke, it's basically, "Why was [name of soba seller] no. 8 afraid of [soba seller] no 7.? Because 7 ate 9".
If you're talking about when the joke pops up, it's pretty much after the case, and Athena thinks it up on the spot.

Author:  JesusMonroe [ Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:14 am ]
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She actually brings up Time Soba: https://youtu.be/UmLl5h4WRqY?t=21m44s

...needless to say, the joke in the Japanese version is better

Author:  Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:54 am ]
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JesusMonroe wrote:
Does anyone wanna give a summary of the Japanese joke structure that Hsu was talking about?

http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa ... 1352206613

I'm curious :pearl:

I had been meaning to stop by and answer this question, but forgot it after all this time. Here's the gist.

The joke is a type of nazokake that BP mentioned earlier. It goes [something] is the question/lead-in and [something else] is the answer, followed by the meaning or intention behind the joke, as a sort of clincher: "So that's what you mean by that!" It usually goes in "○○ to kakemashite, △△ to tokimasu。sono kokoro wa□□" fashion.

For that example with the two different "kanjou", Yuugami (Blackquill) followed it up with something roughly like "So that's the point..." Incidentally, the word used here is "kokoro", namely heart, so it also makes a sort of pun with Kokone's name too.

Author:  MBr [ Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:45 pm ]
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Bucky looks like a PLvsPW extra where his eyes look like they're drawn on his face as opposed to actually having eyes.

Author:  Southern Corn [ Thu May 10, 2018 9:18 am ]
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Hurray for this caaasseeeee!

Spoiler: 6-4
I see a lot of people complaining about how this case is filler and how it contributes literally nothing to the plot. Screw that, that's the reason I love it so much! I love its odd positioning and I like its simplicity and that it has nothing to do with the main plotline. It's a very nice, humorous breather after the dullness of 6-3! I actually appreciate the simplistic mystery and the low stakes. At worst, Blackquill loses his favourite soba shop. That's it.

The fast pacing of this case is great too! I like how they quickly move on from witnesses and testimonies, like the old AAs. I counted- there are nine testimonies in this case, which is more than 6-3. The humour is very enjoyable too, with Blackquill, Athena and Nahyuta (occasionally) having a nice dynamic. Uendo is also a great and fun witness and I'm happy he takes up a good chunk of the case. Also, unlike everyone else, I really like Bucky and it's nice that he occasionally intervenes to help out. It's a nice touch, despite him being three sheets to the wind 90% of the time.

Of course, not everything here is perfect- I don't like Geiru or her motive, nor he "balloon" jokes (which feel like they belong in DR, which is how shitty they are). Nahyuta is also overly antagonistic here to the point of it not even being entertaining. It just makes me want to hate him even more. But other than that, I really do love this case. There's a reason it's my second favourite SoJ case, after all!

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