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scarlet-flowers wrote:
Bolt Storm wrote:
linkenski wrote:
I can confirm, being a n3DS player that the framerate doesn't get a boost, and it is notably choppier than DD which is something I'll have to get used to. (but with homebrew I think it's possible to manually speed up things, but it might not do a whole lot since it's the graphics processor that's being overworked)
It's a good idea not to use 3D at all becuase it just makes the framerate too laggy I think. I think it's around an average of 20fps maybe, but the framerate seems to have been locked so it doesn't go above 30 when you get 2D artwork.
It's a good idea not to use 3D at all becuase it just makes the framerate too laggy I think. I think it's around an average of 20fps maybe, but the framerate seems to have been locked so it doesn't go above 30 when you get 2D artwork.
In that case I'm guessing they targeted iOS during development as well and we'll see a port announcement in a few months. It's a shame, because I really like the new 3D animations - they just don't run well.
Also, about the retcon thing - that may have been slightly too strong a word. I don't think the game ever goes back and says "this thing that happened before didn't happen." What it does do is shove in some major new backstory and character relations that had never been mentioned before and which don't make a lot of sense to have never mentioned before. It also uses the letter of the law in dodging a retcon at one point.
As for which characters...
Spoiler: AA6 general
Not really sure what that would entail, but tbf Trials and Tribulations gave Phoenix and Mia backstories that were never hinted at in the previous two games.
I think other users have already mentioned this, but Phoenix and Mia's added backstories in T&T didn't amount to THAT much. Phoenix just was involved in a murder case in college, and had a crazy ex-girlfriend. And all the backstory Mia got was: she had a "dead" boyfriend, and she dealt with a vicious criminal twice
. (It makes sense that the whole Dahlia thing wasn't mentioned, since it really just was a couple of incidents some time ago.)From what I can tell, the added backstories this game has... well... Imagine that Misty's connection to the DL-6 Incident was introduced in game 3, not game 1. Yeah, it's something like that.
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They could have adapted the background stories given to some characters in this game to what we knew about them already, but that's not the case, they just throw the new information and hope that it doesn't change anything relevant XD It's lazy writing, and I don't like it in a Ace Attorney game.
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Proyectil wrote:
Giving a character an unplanned backstory is always risky. I don't like retcons because they seem so lazy. The ones in T&T work because they were very specific things (although when you replay the first game it's weird to see that Phoenix and Marvin Grossberg don't know each other), but this game gives a lot of information.
They could have adapted the background stories given to some characters in this game to what we knew about them already, but that's not the case, they just throw the new information and hope that it doesn't change anything relevant XD It's lazy writing, and I don't like it in a Ace Attorney game.
They could have adapted the background stories given to some characters in this game to what we knew about them already, but that's not the case, they just throw the new information and hope that it doesn't change anything relevant XD It's lazy writing, and I don't like it in a Ace Attorney game.
Maybe the translation could help it come across a bit more clearer and not so.. ret-conny maybe. I doubt, but we could always hope. But I think with the amount of backstory this game gives, it might be a bit hard without making it seem that way.
I can image the Grossberg thing tho since he doesn't seem to have a good memory anyway since, if I remember the games correctly, he has a hard time remember Maya despite the fact they met months ago. (don't quote me on this, I haven't played the original trilogy in years)
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SuperAj3 wrote:
So far I think the only 'retcon' is that
Spoiler: GS6 and a continuity related question
Spoiler: About AJ things
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FenrirDarkWolf wrote:
SuperAj3 wrote:
So far I think the only 'retcon' is that
Spoiler: GS6 and a continuity related question
Spoiler: About AJ things
Spoiler: Still GS6 end stuff spoilers
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SuperAj3 wrote:
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
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Spoiler:
Still, this one is less glaring than the one you talked about, but anyway, I find this one very stupid too.
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FenrirDarkWolf wrote:
SuperAj3 wrote:
So far I think the only 'retcon' is that
Spoiler: GS6 and a continuity related question
Spoiler: About AJ things
Spoiler: 6-5
Sometimes I feel like facepalming
I'm just not sure on whose face to push my hand on.
I'm just not sure on whose face to push my hand on.
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Reglare wrote:
Spoiler: 6-5
Spoiler:
Ash wrote:
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Ahh. OK, I didn't know all the details, just sorta bits and pieces people've spoken about here on the forums.
Thanks for clarifying XD (Just when I thought I'd spoiled it all, I missed a lot XD)
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SuperAj3 wrote:
Spoiler:
Spoiler: 6-5
Sometimes I feel like facepalming
I'm just not sure on whose face to push my hand on.
I'm just not sure on whose face to push my hand on.
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Proyectil wrote:
Another retcon is that
Still, this one is less glaring than the one you talked about, but anyway, I find this one very stupid too.
Spoiler:
Still, this one is less glaring than the one you talked about, but anyway, I find this one very stupid too.
I'd consider this one very easily explained, as it happens all the time in the real world.
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Proyectil wrote:
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
Sometimes I feel like facepalming
I'm just not sure on whose face to push my hand on.
I'm just not sure on whose face to push my hand on.
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Reglare wrote:
Proyectil wrote:
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
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Reglare wrote:
Spoiler: 6-5
Spoiler: 6-5
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Reglare wrote:
Spoiler: 6-5
Spoiler: 6-5
Spoiler: 6-5
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Ash wrote:
For those interested, I posted a review on my blog on the game. It's spoiler-free (as in: I mention nothing not mentioned in the marketing campaign). Do note that I write about mystery fiction on my blog, so that's what I focus on.
Thanks a bunch for the review. As always it was a good read.
Based on this I really have the feeling I will ike the game very much, even though it's apparently pretty divisive. But I usually like the cases the best that heavily involve the main cast, so I think I will be fine here.
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It's definitely going to be interesting to see just how divisive the game gets once all fans, japanese and western, have played it. I also feel the notion that this feels more akin to DGS or PLvPWAA in tone is something I've felt about the game since it was announced. Perhpas that's just going to be the era of Ace Attorney we're going to see from now on until one of the games make another daring move (maybe AAI3 or something completely original).
And yes, we definitely do need more writers and game designers who wants to make mystery stories in the interactive medium of video games. I really wish there were more top-tier games in the industry that are as mechanically interesting in terms of mystery-solving as Ace Attorney has been.
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And yes, we definitely do need more writers and game designers who wants to make mystery stories in the interactive medium of video games. I really wish there were more top-tier games in the industry that are as mechanically interesting in terms of mystery-solving as Ace Attorney has been.
Well, you can just steal Ace Attorney's mechanics if you want~ (You can't copyright gameplay mechanics or game ideas, after all.)
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Bad Player wrote:
linkenski wrote:
And yes, we definitely do need more writers and game designers who wants to make mystery stories in the interactive medium of video games. I really wish there were more top-tier games in the industry that are as mechanically interesting in terms of mystery-solving as Ace Attorney has been.
Well, you can just steal Ace Attorney's mechanics if you want~ (You can't copyright gameplay mechanics or game ideas, after all.)
I remember there being a game on Steam that was pretty much Ace Attorney, although I don't remember the title.
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I didn't actually know that mechanics aren't copyrighted. In fact, I know one case where it is; EA has copyright on the Dialogue Wheel, designed by Drew Karpyshyn, Casey Hudson and other members of the original team that created the first Mass Effect and the Wheel has been used in plenty of EA games ever since, like Dragon Age (also Bioware, technically) and Kingdoms of Amalur.
But of course that's design and not a mechanic, but I bet if Capcom wanted they could copyright the Mood Matrix design (even if that's hokey since the mechanic is basically just an alternative form of the "Press" mechanic). I think perhaps Ace Attorney's mechanics aren't as copyright-able considering they are so dependant on textboxes that are used in a wide array of video games in general.
Here's a link about patented mechanics I found:
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/patent ... 0-6369027/
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linkenski wrote:
Wasn't Aviary Attorney also a slight ripoff? (Haven't played it)
I didn't actually know that mechanics aren't copyrighted. In fact, I know one case where it is; EA has copyright on the Dialogue Wheel, designed by Drew Karpyshyn, Casey Hudson and other members of the original team that created the first Mass Effect and the Wheel has been used in plenty of EA games ever since, like Dragon Age (also Bioware, technically) and Kingdoms of Amalur.
But of course that's design and not a mechanic, but I bet if Capcom wanted they could copyright the Mood Matrix design (even if that's hokey since the mechanic is basically just an alternative form of the "Press" mechanic). I think perhaps Ace Attorney's mechanics aren't as copyright-able considering they are so dependant on textboxes that are used in a wide array of video games in general.
Here's a link about patented mechanics I found:
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/patent ... 0-6369027/
I didn't actually know that mechanics aren't copyrighted. In fact, I know one case where it is; EA has copyright on the Dialogue Wheel, designed by Drew Karpyshyn, Casey Hudson and other members of the original team that created the first Mass Effect and the Wheel has been used in plenty of EA games ever since, like Dragon Age (also Bioware, technically) and Kingdoms of Amalur.
But of course that's design and not a mechanic, but I bet if Capcom wanted they could copyright the Mood Matrix design (even if that's hokey since the mechanic is basically just an alternative form of the "Press" mechanic). I think perhaps Ace Attorney's mechanics aren't as copyright-able considering they are so dependant on textboxes that are used in a wide array of video games in general.
Here's a link about patented mechanics I found:
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/patent ... 0-6369027/
On the topic, I believe this video is relevant to the patenting and copyrighting of game designs and mechanics.
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They also have a lot of interesting moments that play on your expectations as an AA fan
Spoiler: Aviary Case 1
Also has multiple endings and it's possible to not have all the evidence you need before a trial. Unfortunately it's a hard recommendation because of how short it is, but I had fun
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Ash wrote:
To expand a little bit on my review: I think AA6 was a great mystery game, but a strange main entry, and JapaneseGIRL managed to help me summarize my thoughts in one very simple example: Case 4 is the most 'usual business Ace Attorney case' of the whole game, but it feels completely out of place because the rest of the game isn't usual business.
I honestly REALLY like Cases 2 and 4 though, I really don't know why, but I really do.
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FenrirDarkWolf wrote:
I honestly REALLY like Cases 2 and 4 though, I really don't know why, but I really do.
I like them a lot too, actually. In general, I think 6 has great episodes, except for case 1, which is a bit meh. But in general, I tend to look at the games specifically as mystery games (and I don't buy in the 'filler case' idea), so I'm usually happy if there's a mystery plot with an alluring situation and a captivating road to the end of the case (in terms of mystery plot). Case 2 is a fairly traditional mystery story in that respect, while case 4 is 'classic' Ace Attorney material with an interesting setting.
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