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Author: | Ash [ Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:04 pm ] |
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A quick list of the name puns & origins. Didn't figure out all of them though, so do comment if you have an idea where the names come from. The list is probably in order of chapter appearance (by which I mean: this is by memory, so some recurring characters might be grouped in the wrong episode). Spoiler: Episode 1 Spoiler: Episode 2 Spoiler: Episode 3 Spoiler: Episode 4 Spoiler: Episode 5 Spoiler: Special Episode |
Author: | NinjAngel [ Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:45 pm ] |
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Spoiler: Episode 5 |
Author: | Ash [ Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:49 pm ] |
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Ah, good one. I had a suspicion it would have something to do with dragons. |
Author: | Yash K. Productions [ Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:56 pm ] |
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Spoiler: Case 5 |
Author: | Ash [ Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:25 am ] |
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In one of the moments where you suddenly realize you shouldn't think too much about these names and just read them like they are: Spoiler: Episode 5 |
Author: | Ash [ Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:57 pm ] |
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I added the names for the characters of the Special Episode in the first post. |
Author: | Ash [ Wed Jul 06, 2016 7:42 am ] |
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Oh, as I did this mostly from my head, it's fairly likely I'll have forgotten some names (place names / non-character names) that have a pun/special name origin. If you noticed I missed one, don't hesitate to mention them! |
Author: | Yash K. Productions [ Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:19 pm ] |
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Mitamaru - a portmanteau of "mitama" and the affectionate suffix "-maru". EDIT: Whoops! I wrote "anagram" instead of "portmanteau"! |
Author: | Ash [ Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:54 pm ] |
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Ah, I see I forgot to explain the suffix -maru there (happens when you make such lists in random order). A note of mine though: the suffix -maru has no special affectionate undertones (it is definitely not something like the -chan honorific). It is simply a commonly used suffix for younger (male) children and names of ships, similar to Odoroki's -suke. And super-trivia time because this is a topic that interests me: The most common theory is that -maru is a variation of the older -maro suffix, which has the meaning of 'I' (1st person sing), but the base meaning is 'excrement'; they use to believe that by calling their children 'shit', evil spirits would stay away from the children because they obviously thought that was icky and stuff. In ancient~pre-modern Japan, people usually got different names depending on the stage of life you were in, so they weren't being called shit all their (short) lives. |
Author: | FenrirDarkWolf [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:27 pm ] |
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Eventually I'll plug this info into the wiki. |
Author: | Ash [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:03 pm ] |
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Sure. Sourcing would be very appreciated, also for the other people who contributed to the list. |
Author: | FenrirDarkWolf [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:02 pm ] |
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By the by... Bakufuu's name means blast, like an explosion. It just so happens the trial that takes place after his murder is Courtroom No. 4... which was bombed. |
Author: | McNarrow [ Sat Oct 15, 2016 4:33 pm ] |
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Spoiler: Episode 2 |
Author: | Pierre [ Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:55 am ] |
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McNarrow wrote: Spoiler: Episode 2 Nah its De Famme.....defame: to damage the good reputation of someone. The hell is Pierce Nichody's pun? |
Author: | Yash K. Productions [ Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:02 am ] |
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How the HELL do people not get this already?! It's "persnickety"! |
Author: | Pierre [ Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:31 am ] |
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Yash K. Productions wrote: How the HELL do people not get this already?! It's "persnickety"! Because its pronounced nothing like that? Maybe if his first name was Percy but Pierce sounds totally different. I could argue its "Pierce Nichody" as in "Pierce the body" as a hint to his original profession. |
Author: | Apollo4Justice [ Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:35 am ] |
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Pierre wrote: Yash K. Productions wrote: How the HELL do people not get this already?! It's "persnickety"! Because its pronounced nothing like that? Maybe if his first name was Percy but Pierce sounds totally different. I could argue its "Pierce Nichody" as in "Pierce the body" as a hint to his original profession. I don't really hear the "the" part when I read out his name, though. I can't really think of any other possible puns as of now, though. |
Author: | SuperAj3 [ Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:43 am ] |
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I thought the word was "pernickety" but yeah I got the pun in his name. EDIT: "persnickety" is the American version XD Who would've thought? (Rolls off the tongue better XD) |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:51 am ] |
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Yash K. Productions wrote: How the HELL do people not get this already?! It's "persnickety"! Why so condescending? I didn't get it, mainly because "persnickety" isn't a word I've heard a lot. (On the other hand it took me way too long to catch "Luke Atmey" too) |
Author: | FenrirDarkWolf [ Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:10 am ] |
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tbh, when I guessed the pun for persnickety (I think I was the first to guess it), I didn't realise how it was related to Pierce because i didn't know what it meant Spoiler: |
Author: | Apollo4Justice [ Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:35 pm ] |
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To be honest, I don't get how anyone figured out the pun. I can definitely hear the "-nickety" part and maybe the "s" before it but I don't hear the "per" part. "Pier", in Pierce, sounds nothing "per". The "i" makes a huge difference here. This means the way the name is pronounced is, "Pier-suh Nick-o-dee". However, the pun requires the "i" in Pierce to be taken out just so I can hear the pun. Someone explain this all to me. |
Author: | Pierre [ Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:49 pm ] |
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Apollo4Justice wrote: To be honest, I don't get how anyone figured out the pun. I can definitely hear the "-nickety" part and maybe the "s" before it but I don't hear the "per" part. "Pier", in Pierce, sounds nothing "per". The "i" makes a huge difference here. This means the way the name is pronounced is, "Pier-suh Nick-o-dee". However, the pun requires the "i" in Pierce to be taken out just so I can hear the pun. Someone explain this all to me. This is basically my issue. Also for me the word is "Pernickety" without any "s" sound before the "Nickety" I'd also still argue that "Percy" would work better than "Pierce" because as mentioned the "i" makes a huge difference. |
Author: | Kyarorain [ Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:50 pm ] |
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I pronounced Nichody more like nee-KOH-dee, so, yeah, the persnickety pun certainly wasn't obvious to me. |
Author: | Jean Descole [ Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:13 pm ] |
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I didn't get Pierce's pun either at first. Or even all the times I spoke it aloud with different pronunciations, trying to see if something fit. It's entirely possible for people to not get it unless told (like me). |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:32 pm ] |
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I didn't get 'Pahpul Boljhing' myself,because I had no idea that the j was German. |
Author: | FenrirDarkWolf [ Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:14 pm ] |
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Apollo4Justice wrote: To be honest, I don't get how anyone figured out the pun. I can definitely hear the "-nickety" part and maybe the "s" before it but I don't hear the "per" part. "Pier", in Pierce, sounds nothing "per". The "i" makes a huge difference here. This means the way the name is pronounced is, "Pier-suh Nick-o-dee". However, the pun requires the "i" in Pierce to be taken out just so I can hear the pun. Someone explain this all to me. The name isn't supposed to be pronounced exactly like the word (see Taifu, Uendo and Geiru Toneido), it's more just a reference to it. |
Author: | Apollo4Justice [ Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:08 pm ] |
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FenrirDarkWolf wrote: Apollo4Justice wrote: To be honest, I don't get how anyone figured out the pun. I can definitely hear the "-nickety" part and maybe the "s" before it but I don't hear the "per" part. "Pier", in Pierce, sounds nothing "per". The "i" makes a huge difference here. This means the way the name is pronounced is, "Pier-suh Nick-o-dee". However, the pun requires the "i" in Pierce to be taken out just so I can hear the pun. Someone explain this all to me. The name isn't supposed to be pronounced exactly like the word (see Taifu, Uendo and Geiru Toneido), it's more just a reference to it. There's a difference between a name being a reference to something and a name that doesn't remotely resemble the pun people claim it to be. Take Taifu, for example. Taifu does indeed resemble the intended pun, "Typhoon". That's because the lettering indicates as such. However, let's look at Pierce again. It can't be the "per" in "persnickety" because it doesn't remotely sound like it, not even a little. Le's look at the pronounciations of both names side-by-side and wih their intended pun. "Ty-fu", which is half of "Typhoon". "Pier-suh", which is somehow supposed to resemble "per" and "s" in "persnickety". If we're following your logic, "persnickety" should really be spelled "piersnickety" just for the pun to make even the slightest of sense. See what I mean now? |
Author: | FenrirDarkWolf [ Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:25 pm ] |
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Apollo4Justice wrote: There's a difference between a name being a reference to something and a name that doesn't remotely resemble the pun people claim it to be. Take Taifu, for example. Taifu does indeed resemble the intended pun, "Typhoon". That's because the lettering indicates as such. However, let's look at Pierce again. It can't be the "per" in "persnickety" because it doesn't remotely sound like it, not even a little. Le's look at the pronounciations of both names side-by-side and wih their intended pun. "Ty-fu", which is half of "Typhoon". "Pier-suh", which is somehow supposed to resemble "per" and "s" in "persnickety". If we're following your logic, "persnickety" should really be spelled "piersnickety" just for the pun to make even the slightest of sense. See what I mean now? It'd be easier to believe something like that if we didn't already HAVE name puns that don't sound like what they're supposed to be referencing. Like Damian Tenma being a reference to Demon (which is referenced by his Japanese name), Sasha Buckler (while a reference to the word "swashbuckler", the first name, like Pierce's, sounds nothing like the word it's supposed to be referencing, or Norma DePlume (which is a reference "nom de plume", again Norma sounds nothing like nom). Although I do see what you mean in that his name pun is a lot less obvious than others we've seen. |
Author: | Apollo4Justice [ Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:44 am ] |
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FenrirDarkWolf wrote: Apollo4Justice wrote: There's a difference between a name being a reference to something and a name that doesn't remotely resemble the pun people claim it to be. Take Taifu, for example. Taifu does indeed resemble the intended pun, "Typhoon". That's because the lettering indicates as such. However, let's look at Pierce again. It can't be the "per" in "persnickety" because it doesn't remotely sound like it, not even a little. Le's look at the pronounciations of both names side-by-side and wih their intended pun. "Ty-fu", which is half of "Typhoon". "Pier-suh", which is somehow supposed to resemble "per" and "s" in "persnickety". If we're following your logic, "persnickety" should really be spelled "piersnickety" just for the pun to make even the slightest of sense. See what I mean now? It'd be easier to believe something like that if we didn't already HAVE name puns that don't sound like what they're supposed to be referencing. Like Damian Tenma being a reference to Demon (which is referenced by his Japanese name), Sasha Buckler (while a reference to the word "swashbuckler", the first name, like Pierce's, sounds nothing like the word it's supposed to be referencing, or Norma DePlume (which is a reference "nom de plume", again Norma sounds nothing like nom). Although I do see what you mean in that his name pun is a lot less obvious than others we've seen. The difference between those examples and Pierce, however, is that Damian, Sasha, and Norma all get the general sound of the pun. Damian does sound like "demon" when said quickly and Sasha's name does the same thing. Now, you might be thinking Norma is the odd one out, that she's the same as Pierce. However, in all actuality, Norma achieves her pun in a way Pierce can't. An alternative way of pronouncing the name. You might also be thinking this can't happen however, it has before, in 2012-ish. Specifically, the "norm" has an alternative way to say it. Let's take a look back at Heavy Rain, specifically Norman Jayden. Now, does anyone remember how the character himself pronounced it? That's right, he said it like "Nahm-an"! And how do you say "nom" in "nom de plume"? You say it like "nahm". Therefore, you can still see the pun through pronunciation alone, which leaves you, Mr. Fenrir, with no case! |
Author: | Pierre [ Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:47 am ] |
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FenrirDarkWolf wrote: Apollo4Justice wrote: There's a difference between a name being a reference to something and a name that doesn't remotely resemble the pun people claim it to be. Take Taifu, for example. Taifu does indeed resemble the intended pun, "Typhoon". That's because the lettering indicates as such. However, let's look at Pierce again. It can't be the "per" in "persnickety" because it doesn't remotely sound like it, not even a little. Le's look at the pronounciations of both names side-by-side and wih their intended pun. "Ty-fu", which is half of "Typhoon". "Pier-suh", which is somehow supposed to resemble "per" and "s" in "persnickety". If we're following your logic, "persnickety" should really be spelled "piersnickety" just for the pun to make even the slightest of sense. See what I mean now? It'd be easier to believe something like that if we didn't already HAVE name puns that don't sound like what they're supposed to be referencing. Like Damian Tenma being a reference to Demon (which is referenced by his Japanese name), Sasha Buckler (while a reference to the word "swashbuckler", the first name, like Pierce's, sounds nothing like the word it's supposed to be referencing, or Norma DePlume (which is a reference "nom de plume", again Norma sounds nothing like nom). Although I do see what you mean in that his name pun is a lot less obvious than others we've seen. I would also argue "Nichody" is not much like "nickety". |
Author: | Nurio [ Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:05 am ] |
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I don't know how you pronounce Pierce Nichody or persnickety, but those two are way closer than any of the other examples Fenrir gave. I mean, Pierce is as close to "pers" as Luke is to Look. |
Author: | Apollo4Justice [ Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:35 am ] |
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Nurio wrote: I don't know how you pronounce Pierce Nichody or persnickety, but those two are way closer than any of the other examples Fenrir gave. I mean, Pierce is as close to "pers" as Luke is to Look. Luke sounds like you're extending the two "o" letters in "look", though. In fact, I hear some people daily say it like that. However, "Pier-suh" doesn't remotely sound like "per-suh". The "i" makes a huge difference in the pronounciation. Sure, Nichody resembles "nickety" somewhat, but if Pierce doesn't resemble the rest of it, then the pun would just be "nickety", which makes no sense either. |
Author: | Nurio [ Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:41 am ] |
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Not sure what you mean by extending the two "o" letters... Since "oo" is already extended. But anyway, this is really going in circles. Like I said, it's just a difference in how we pronounce things, I suppose. But we can actually ask the guys behind the localization what the pun behind the name is. That's the only way to have clarification here |
Author: | Pierre [ Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:58 am ] |
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Nurio wrote: Not sure what you mean by extending the two "o" letters... Since "oo" is already extended. But anyway, this is really going in circles. Like I said, it's just a difference in how we pronounce things, I suppose. But we can actually ask the guys behind the localization what the pun behind the name is. That's the only way to have clarification here Pierce sounds like Peers or Piers: Piers Nick Odd Ey is how his name sounds in my head. The sound they need for the pun to work is more akin to Perce hence I feel Percy would have been a better substitute. |
Author: | Apollo4Justice [ Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:00 am ] |
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Nurio wrote: Not sure what you mean by extending the two "o" letters... Since "oo" is already extended. But anyway, this is really going in circles. Like I said, it's just a difference in how we pronounce things, I suppose. But we can actually ask the guys behind the localization what the pun behind the name is. That's the only way to have clarification here About the "o" extension, let me put it this way. The way one pronounces look normally is "luh-kuh" or something close to it. However, Luke is pronounced "loo-kuh" or something similar again. Does that make more sense now? The "luh" is quicker than "loo". |
Author: | Apollo4Justice [ Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:08 am ] |
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The closest thing I can think of with the current spelling at least, although it's flimsy, is "Pierce Nick Oh Dee", which can be changed to "Pierce Nick Oh Dey", which I'll explain. "Oh dee", if you say it quickly enough, can sound similar to Edgey, which is Edgeworth's nickname. Ignoring the pronounciation spelling I used prior, it would now be something like "Pierce Nick Edgey". This would be a reference to when Spoiler: DLC |
Author: | FenrirDarkWolf [ Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:20 am ] |
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The main point I'm trying to say is... the pun for the name is just lifted from the original word, but the pun doesn't HAVE to sound exactly the same as the original word, as it sounds close enough that at least SOMEONE will get the pun. lol I can't believe we're debating puns, it really is srs business... |
Author: | Pierre [ Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:54 am ] |
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FenrirDarkWolf wrote: The main point I'm trying to say is... the pun for the name is just lifted from the original word, but the pun doesn't HAVE to sound exactly the same as the original word, as it sounds close enough that at least SOMEONE will get the pun. lol I can't believe we're debating puns, it really is srs business... It's all fun and games until someone talks to you like you are an idiot for not hearing a pun of a word that's not that obvious in the first place. |
Author: | FenrirDarkWolf [ Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:50 am ] |
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Pierre wrote: FenrirDarkWolf wrote: The main point I'm trying to say is... the pun for the name is just lifted from the original word, but the pun doesn't HAVE to sound exactly the same as the original word, as it sounds close enough that at least SOMEONE will get the pun. lol I can't believe we're debating puns, it really is srs business... It's all fun and games until someone talks to you like you are an idiot for not hearing a pun of a word that's not that obvious in the first place. Ah.. Well, I do apologise, if I came off harsh to you guys. It wasn't my intention. |
Author: | Pierre [ Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:17 am ] |
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FenrirDarkWolf wrote: Pierre wrote: FenrirDarkWolf wrote: The main point I'm trying to say is... the pun for the name is just lifted from the original word, but the pun doesn't HAVE to sound exactly the same as the original word, as it sounds close enough that at least SOMEONE will get the pun. lol I can't believe we're debating puns, it really is srs business... It's all fun and games until someone talks to you like you are an idiot for not hearing a pun of a word that's not that obvious in the first place. Ah.. Well, I do apologise, if I came off harsh to you guys. It wasn't my intention. Wasn't you |
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