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Author: | Southern Corn [ Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:01 am ] |
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linkenski wrote: Then he takes the blame for the murder of Metis and starts sporting teared eye-liner to show how sad his time has been in jail, and he finds his pet bird in jail and then he starts prosecuting despite of being in jail because Edgeworth needed to draw out the real murderer behind the incident, (and willingly lets a prosecutor who's convicted for murder represent the law for a time while the audiences distrust the system; he willingly supports the mantra "The end justifies the means" the game is trying to tell us is wrong for... like that was the entire point of case 5-3 .). It's funny,because the game where Nick becomes more self aware in bluffing is the same game where they force over you the ideology that the ends never justify the means. Huh? |
Author: | Thelema [ Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:56 pm ] |
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Just one word: BORING. When I was playing the game, I just wished I could skip half of his dialogues. He has no personality. He is basically like a point in blank. And I don't like it when people compare him to Edgeworth. Both are "gentleman-ly", but that's it. Edgeworth has more presence and impact as a character. |
Author: | Randomblackberry [ Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:30 pm ] |
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I wouldn't say he's the worst one but he's certainly far from the top. He kind of rambles way too much, reminds me of Godot a lot except I actually like Nahyuta more than him. He can be amusing at times, especially in case 4, when he's a massive rakugo nerd, but otherwise he's kind of meh. Still, I can help but laugh every time he says 'Let it go and move on'. I don't know why, it's just too hilarious. |
Author: | tiger_festival [ Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:34 pm ] |
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dangerousoffender wrote: And I don't like it when people compare him to Edgeworth. Both are "gentleman-ly", but that's it. Edgeworth has more presence and impact as a character. I think people are referring to how Nahyuta goes through the exact same motions Edgeworth did in the first game. "I'm always right." "You've changed, [Prosecutor]." "He wasn't always like this. He used to seek justice, not guilty verdicts." Then the big bad becomes the prosecutor. "[Prosecutor] says he killed the victim. Let's extend the trial to find him guilty." "Actually it was [big bad]." The only thing that's missing is the part where you're supposed to like him. |
Author: | linkenski [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:17 am ] |
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This makes my shit boil xD Godot does not ramble but I agree Nahyuta does. Godot makes a satire of his own design. He's this "ooh so mysterious prosecutor that came from hell" and he drinks coffee due to an important part of his theme. Everything about him is pretentious by design maybe to spot fun at how every prosecutor has to be more than the previous one, or maybe just Takumi fooling around and making fun of Hideki Kamiya, but Godot's "rambling" consists of making a joke. You build up expectations and subvert it with an unexpexted punchline. He keeps talking about things that start out something like "the nature of man" and then subverts it by referring to his coffee making his monologue escalate, but that's actually funny! It's like the game is saying "look how smart and profound this is trying so hard to be" I just love that. I don't love Nahyuta as much because he has no punchlines. He actually rambles about his own nerdy lore that nobody cares about and it was the same thing with Courtney in AAI2. it's airheaded nonsense which fits his themes, but it's still air headed nonsense with no spark in the eye or grin of the teeth. |
Author: | jdgs [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:45 pm ] |
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There's only one thing that Nahyuta didn't had and Edgeworth did. Time for character development. Nahyuta only had his true self revealed at the last part of the final trial. Edgeworth had a whole case. I think that was a failure on the part of the SoJ team because, while I loved case 4, I can also accept there was no reason for it to exist, or better put, there was no reason for Nahyuta to be the prosecutor. It helped his character arc? Yes, in more ways people acknowledge, but I would've much prefered if that case was like a flashback where we could see him as a younger person, or maybe one where he's just a supporting character and not the prosecutor. One of the worst mistakes regarding him is that every single other part of his personality is only described happening off-panel. Big mistake. Nevertheless, right now, Nahyuta IS exactly at the point where Edgeworth was at the end of 1-4. Maybe less likable since his good side had less than an hour of development but he's there with a huge window to grow. Needless to say is completely unfair to compare him to current Edgeworth yet, or even 1-5/2-4 Edgeworth. |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:26 pm ] |
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linkenski wrote: This makes my shit boil xD Godot does not ramble but I agree Nahyuta does. Godot makes a satire of his own design. He's this "ooh so mysterious prosecutor that came from hell" and he drinks coffee due to an important part of his theme. Everything about him is pretentious by design maybe to spot fun at how every prosecutor has to be more than the previous one, or maybe just Takumi fooling around and making fun of Hideki Kamiya, but Godot's "rambling" consists of making a joke. You build up expectations and subvert it with an unexpexted punchline. He keeps talking about things that start out something like "the nature of man" and then subverts it by referring to his coffee making his monologue escalate, but that's actually funny! It's like the game is saying "look how smart and profound this is trying so hard to be" I just love that. I don't love Nahyuta as much because he has no punchlines. He actually rambles about his own nerdy lore that nobody cares about and it was the same thing with Courtney in AAI2. it's airheaded nonsense which fits his themes, but it's still air headed nonsense with no spark in the eye or grin of the teeth. I think Nayuta's punchlines are the things like "you'll be sent to the hell of tickling" and the like |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:35 pm ] |
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Except they aren't funny. Are they intended to be funny? I'm not really sure,since he's written like that. |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:45 pm ] |
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I'm rather sure the threat of "being tickled for 500 million years" and the likes of it are meant as jokes... and I found it funny. Jokes from the writers, that is. Not from Nahyuta. He seems to be taking it and himself rather seriously, but I feel that him as a character isn't always meant to be taken seriously by the players. |
Author: | MBr [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:13 pm ] |
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And then the game expects you to take him seriously in the last case. The closest thing Nahyuta has to a redeeming moment is that he still has his dragon tattoo. I think it would have been better if he was working undercover and revealed something that could help. Similar to how Blackquill shed light on the Phantom once Phoenix proved both his and Athena's innocence. Like what was said before, Nahyuta is in the same position that Edgeworth was in after the first game. If he appears in another game, he had better develop further, not be used for fanservice like Klavier in Dual Destinies. It would waste his potential. Personally, I think Rayfa is the rival in this game. |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:16 pm ] |
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@GoingForMiles Exactly. The "joke" is that Nayuta takes himself so seriously but the things he says are so ridiculous. From calling the defense an "evil bell pepper" to threatening to send them to a hell where they get tickled for thousands of years, to him calmly explaining the ridiculous rakugo story Nayuta actually does get a lot of funny moments but it just doesn't add up to anything super-memorable in the end. So while I do think people don't give him enough credit, I don't necessarily blame them Though a lot of people say that Nayuta "reading the outcome of trials" is completely dropped after Case 2, which is false. That's exactly what he does at the end of the first trial day of Case 3. The game even emphasized with multiple unnecessary flashbacks and it's the only time in the game where he reads the outcome. I don't know why everybody has a selective memory when it comes to that |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:23 pm ] |
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Mbr: Well... I took Godot seriously in case 3-5 despite the ridicilous coffee-metaphors, coffee-tantrums and overall tomfoolery he'd done before. Jesusmonroe: And "what's crack-a-lackin', homie" :D |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:44 am ] |
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This game actually has two rivals in a way (Rayfa and Nayuta), just like GK2. Looking at it that way, my problems with Nayuta don't feel as big. Rayfa's a really great character and probably my favorite in the game so if I look at Nayuta like a bonus rival, then he's really not bad Still haven't finished the game yet though :p |
Author: | FenrirDarkWolf [ Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:17 am ] |
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JesusMonroe wrote: This game actually has two rivals in a way (Rayfa and Nayuta), just like GK2. Looking at it that way, my problems with Nayuta don't feel as big. I agree in a way, that both Rayfa and Nahyuta are rivals in a sense, and that Nahyuta def. takes back stage to her. Case-in-point: She's the focus for (sorta) both the non-canon DLCs, while Nahyuta isn't even mentioned. |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:09 pm ] |
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Yeah,I prefer to think do too,since Rayfa is way cuter :} |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Sat Oct 15, 2016 4:21 am ] |
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Addressing the thread title Spoiler: Case 5 |
Author: | Nurio [ Sat Oct 15, 2016 4:42 am ] |
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JesusMonroe wrote: Spoiler: Case 5 Spoiler: 6-5 |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Sat Oct 15, 2016 4:52 am ] |
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Nurio wrote: JesusMonroe wrote: Spoiler: Case 5 Spoiler: 6-5 Spoiler: 6-5 Better? |
Author: | Mr. Bear Jew [ Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:06 pm ] |
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MBr wrote: And then the game expects you to take him seriously in the last case. The closest thing Nahyuta has to a redeeming moment is that he still has his dragon tattoo. I think it would have been better if he was working undercover and revealed something that could help. Similar to how Blackquill shed light on the Phantom once Phoenix proved both his and Athena's innocence. Like what was said before, Nahyuta is in the same position that Edgeworth was in after the first game. If he appears in another game, he had better develop further, not be used for fanservice like Klavier in Dual Destinies. It would waste his potential. Personally, I think Rayfa is the rival in this game. The Prosecutor with the Dragon Tattoo |
Author: | DynoStretch [ Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:59 pm ] |
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Is Nahyuta the worst prosecutor? No, cause he's not Klavie- *beaten to death with bricks* But seriously, I do find Nahyuta the second worst overall. While I generally prefer prosecutors who are cruel and arrogant, because it makes it all the sweeter to take them down, Nahyuta just seemed to take it way too far. I know the circumstances of why, but it doesn't really make it any less obnoxious. His constant use "putrid" and "let it go and move on" lines could get grating after a while. I was kind of expecting his "let it go*" line to eventually be related to something a little more personal, like maybe it was more him telling himself to let go of the guilt he felt for condemning defense attorneys to death, but all it amounted to was telling the defense to give up and accept the death penalty. I also found it a little contrived he actually goes from country to country to prosecute cases, just as an explanation for why he took 6-2 and 6-4. Speaking of condemning attorneys, I would had figured he'd express some kind of personal guilt or trauma from the amount of people who died under the DC Act, especially considered he wasn't doing it by choice, but the whole thing gets glossed over. On the plus side, his culture-shock moments were some of the funniest moments in the game, like his "What's crack-a-lackin' homie" and his western burger suggestion, saying it all with a completely straight face. I also loved his 'damage' animation, after all he puts you through it's pretty satisfying. In short, he had a terrible character arc in which he changed far too quickly and got resolved too cleanly and his put-downs were too nasty and overused. *And I know someone's going to point that line out, so I thought I'd save the trouble and just post this. Spoiler: |
Author: | Pierre [ Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:07 pm ] |
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DarkWobbuffet wrote: Is Nahyuta the worst prosecutor? No, cause he's not Klavie- *beaten to death with bricks* But seriously, I do find Nahyuta the second worst overall. While I generally prefer prosecutors who are cruel and arrogant, because it makes it all the sweeter to take them down, Nahyuta just seemed to take it way too far. I know the circumstances of why, but it doesn't really make it any less obnoxious. His constant use "putrid" and "let it go and move on" lines could get grating after a while. I was kind of expecting his "let it go*" line to eventually be related to something a little more personal, like maybe it was more him telling himself to let go of the guilt he felt for condemning defense attorneys to death, but all it amounted to was telling the defense to give up and accept the death penalty. I also found it a little contrived he actually goes from country to country to prosecute cases, just as an explanation for why he took 6-2 and 6-4. Speaking of condemning attorneys, I would had figured he'd express some kind of personal guilt or trauma from the amount of people who died under the DC Act, especially considered he wasn't doing it by choice, but the whole thing gets glossed over. On the plus side, his culture-shock moments were some of the funniest moments in the game, like his "What's crack-a-lackin' homie" and his western burger suggestion, saying it all with a completely straight face. I also loved his 'damage' animation, after all he puts you through it's pretty satisfying. In short, he had a terrible character arc in which he changed far too quickly and got resolved too cleanly and his put-downs were too nasty and overused. *And I know someone's going to point that line out, so I thought I'd save the trouble and just post this. Spoiler: Great picture but honestly "Let it go and move on" WAS meaningful to him. Towards the end of the game it becomes clear he is the "resignation" prosecutor. He gave up on his goal and gave into the oppression "let it go and move on" is his advice because it was the only way he could cope with the situation he was put in. By letting go of all his beliefs and the people important to him and just accepting his fate. |
Author: | NinjaMonkey [ Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:35 pm ] |
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Yeah, I felt that Nayuta is the worst rival prosecutor so far. There is not a single thing that I liked about him, to be honest. I can understand him being extremely rude to the defence in Khura'in, (where Gar'an is no doubt having him watched), but not in the US (where I presume that Gar'an has no reach). |
Author: | MBr [ Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:58 pm ] |
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Spoiler: |
Author: | Pierre [ Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:02 pm ] |
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Spoiler: The GAME |
Author: | Going for Miles [ Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:24 pm ] |
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^Good point, and keeping that in mind makes his character not only make more sense but also way more interesting. |
Author: | MBr [ Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:00 pm ] |
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^^ Didn't think of it that way. |
Author: | TheBlarghMan [ Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:52 am ] |
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Pierre wrote: Spoiler: The GAME Spoiler: Teh Gaem |
Author: | tiger_festival [ Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:06 am ] |
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TheBlarghMan wrote: Spoiler: Teh Gaem Spoiler: Game The |
Author: | Pierre [ Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:03 pm ] |
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TheBlarghMan wrote: Pierre wrote: Spoiler: The GAME Spoiler: Teh Gaem Spoiler: Tha GOYM! |
Author: | Nurio [ Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:41 pm ] |
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Spoiler: Da Gam |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Wed Oct 19, 2016 5:00 pm ] |
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Actually,something I dislike in general is that in Calif,the judge just lets him tell the defense to go to hell over and over. Why,udgey? |
Author: | Pierre [ Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:17 pm ] |
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Southern Corn wrote: Actually,something I dislike in general is that in Calif,the judge just lets him tell the defense to go to hell over and over. Why,udgey? Hey now I distinctly remember him telling off Nahyuta in the first instance of his utter hatred for Attorneys. The Judge was taken aback by how brutal he was. |
Author: | JesusMonroe [ Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:46 pm ] |
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Yeah he ended up allowing it because he accepted Nayuta as just from a different culture |
Author: | TheBlarghMan [ Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:03 am ] |
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Pierre wrote: Spoiler: Tha GOYM! Spoiler: It's Game Over Man |
Author: | MBr [ Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:51 pm ] |
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Spoiler: DD and SoJ |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:06 pm ] |
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I like Apollo's interactions with Rayfa more than Nahyuta. That's just sad. |
Author: | godot_in_court [ Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:35 am ] |
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Sebastian's the worst. He barely had a character-transform. I mean, yeah, the whole "leaning on his dad, feeding off of the false praise" is fine, but come on, how many times have I seen that in other stories? When Nahyuta tore off his glove, I got tingles. Of course I wouldn't put Nahyuta anywhere near Godot or Klavier, let alone Simon Blackquill. But still better than Sebastian. Sorry if I had a spoiler, but there really needs to be a way to view the subforum where you can turn off the spoiler tag, so that you can just scroll and read (I'm trying to help). If there is a way, please let me know! |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:39 am ] |
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I feel that Sebastian's 'redemption' was great,honestly. The Logic Chess segment,the part where he presents the damning evidence and allows you to see the SS-5 incident.....just great. Besides the moment you described,Nahyuta barely even had a redemption. |
Author: | Thunder84 [ Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:50 am ] |
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godot_in_court wrote: Sebastian's the worst. He barely had a character-transform. I mean, yeah, the whole "leaning on his dad, feeding off of the false praise" is fine, but come on, how many times have I seen that in other stories? When Nahyuta tore off his glove, I got tingles. Of course I wouldn't put Nahyuta anywhere near Godot or Klavier, let alone Simon Blackquill. But still better than Sebastian. Sorry if I had a spoiler, but there really needs to be a way to view the subforum where you can turn off the spoiler tag, so that you can just scroll and read (I'm trying to help). If there is a way, please let me know! TBH, Courtney was more of the main prosecutor/antagonist person in the game. She was the one driving the cases, not Sebastian. Courtney just used Sebastian's power as a prosecutor to take control of the crime scenes. As for Nahyuta, I'd say that he's definitely at the bottom. Barnham is still the worst for having absolutely no personality whatsoever, and after that I'd say it's close between Nahyuta and Franziska (Not counting the Payne bros). He's just an Edgeworth clone that really only had like the last third of the last case to develop. |
Author: | zeywey [ Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:22 pm ] |
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