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Author: | Southern Corn [ Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Do you want another main series game after this one? |
I would love to see a mashup of AAI and DD/SoJ investigations. Though the series isn't going to be on the Switch anytime soon I'm afraid. |
Author: | OrderOfTheNick [ Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Do you want another main series game after this one? |
I want another game, but I feel like the series is slowly declining and it needs to stop. Spoiler: Rant featuring (mostly) vague spoilers for AA, JFA, T&T, AJ, AAI, AAI2, DD and SoJ P.S. I wouldn't mind an AAI3 either. Could be cool. |
Author: | linkenski [ Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Do you want another main series game after this one? |
OrderOfTheNick wrote: I feel like none of the other games' stories can stand on their own like the first game's can. The rest of the trilogy are direct sequels which don't make much sense without it. Of course, that isn't a flaw in itself, it just means that their stories don't mean anything without the original, making the three effectively one big story. I had the whole "I want this to stop before it undoes itself" thinking around the time DD was announced as a Non-Takumi game because I saw what IMHO was a bad Ace Attorney game in AAI due to my complete disinterest throughout all of I-5 and the overplot of that game in hindsight, and as soon as I figured out the whole thing with Takumi vs Yamazaki in the game credits I jumped to "Yamazaki = bad, Takumi = good" but then also thought "Apollo Justice = SUCKS" so I really felt the series started going downhill, and it certainly has, but at some point I replaced that cynisim... maybe even snobby attitude with gratitude for the fact that we at least get new games. The true canon in my eyes will always be just AA1 and then 2 and 3 but honestly, like you, I see the first game as the only pure Ace Attorney game (bear with me, it's the best way I can describe it). It's because like Ghost Trick, the first game in any series encapsulates the concept. Therefore the story and its agenda exists in the first game. The Last of Us is not interesting because it has a slightly alternative Zombie setting with fungus-infected people who go nuts... it's all just a macguffin for A) the type of gameplay the game offers and B) Its story, and for the story the setting really is no more than a goal-indicator for its characters to go through certain dramatic arc that in turn informs the audience of something about themselves as human beings. Ace Attorney 1's agenda is clearly whatever Takumi thought/knew about the law at the time, which is quirky because he really doesn't know much in the way of facts about how the law works in detail, but he gets the basics and he has opinions which are projected in the game. The other entries in the series also throw social/political balls in the air like critiquing the entertainment industry (or at least satiring it) and there's also just a lot of fun and games, but it's the first one where it feels encapsulated and focused in one cohesive thesis I think. All the main characters are archetypes/symbols for the parts of the law (or spirit mediums ) they represent. It's caricatured but it speaks to a lot of truths about how the courts and the law have served japan. There's the attorneys and prosecutors depicted as "evil" by highlighting their focus on raw results for own personal gain or non-humaniatarian ideas about what justice means, and there's the thing about low self-confidence in the police as shown with Gumshoe which I've heard was a thing IRL. It's because of these things that AA1 by far has the most subtext and thereby merit and things that really resonates in me much more than any other game in the series has managed to. Then, when the shift happened to Yamazaki I personally feel like the canon has become "fantasy"-ized. It feels like any series when it has gotten too far and gets new writers who are more fans of the canon than they are of the meaning that was ingrained within it. In reality any story is built with its ideas and meaning in mind and as a result you get some sort of canon that sequels have to take into account but because sequels have to be new stories, the canon becomes mere baggage because its subtext has already been used to make one story, so while having to be original with the sequel you really have to include a lot more fluff that doesn't really contribute to the new story's agenda unless you either subvert the previous canon or re-include it to make a point in the new story. Sorry if this got convoluted in my way of explaining it, but I'm trying to say that I find that this is the reason why no franchise can go on forever. I strongly believe franchises are meant to come and go unless you want your fans to grow tired of them, like a good song. You can't hear a song you really like more than 100 times or so before you start to loathe it. The full scope of released Ace Attorney games have already made some fans jump off the train and otherwise it's begun to split the fanbase into the "I liked the trilogy but not the new games" camp and "I like all games, what are you talking about?" camps, which isn't inherently bad, hence my very first point in the top of my post. All it really should mean is that for some the series has run its course and then it's fine to jump off and let the remaining enthusiasts have their fun. Truth is, every game is a new chance for something really good, so I always hope whenever a new AA game is announced that it does something to win me over and make me appreciate that the series is in fact still moving. |
Author: | MBr [ Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Do you want another main series game after this one? |
I didn't feel like the series was in decline until after I played SoJ. I can understand feeling that way after DD, but I hoped that the developers would have learned from the mistakes made in DD to make the next game better. Not the case, of course. They reused points from the trilogy like Maya getting kidnapped again and Nahyuta being an Edgeworth copy (Apollo knew Nahyuta from a young age? Wow, I wonder what's going to happen?) that I could not be bothered to care. And with 6-5, I absolutely hated the sudden direction the game took for the entire case. It was the first time I actually hated what was happening in AA. If they are going to continue in this way then it's better to leave it as it is and say the franchise has run its course. I'm personally more interested to see what Takumi could do in a non-AA game like he did with Ghost Trick. |
Author: | OrderOfTheNick [ Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:27 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Do you want another main series game after this one? |
MBr wrote: I hoped that the developers would have learned from the mistakes made in DD to make the next game better.. Actually, when I saw that DD had some of the same problems as AAI, I hoped they would learn from their mistakes and make the sequel better, just like they did with AAI's sequel. I did like SoJ better, but it wasn't the huge improvement I was hoping for. It's really a shame that they had an idea for the game - revolution in a far-off country - and then threw in cases 2 and 4 which took place back home and had literally nothing to do with the plot. I think SoJ could have been much better if things had actually happened in Khu'rain before case 5. Also, while AJ has many problems, not continuing it really broke the canon. They don't have any plotlines they could continue from previous games because they missed the opportunity in DD, and they don't do anything with theor own storylines. If they continue like this, the series will just become a series of disjointed sequels. |
Author: | linkenski [ Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:57 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Do you want another main series game after this one? |
MBr wrote: I didn't feel like the series was in decline until after I played SoJ. I can understand feeling that way after DD, but I hoped that the developers would have learned from the mistakes made in DD to make the next game better. Not the case, of course. They reused points from the trilogy like Maya getting kidnapped again and Nahyuta being an Edgeworth copy (Apollo knew Nahyuta from a young age? Wow, I wonder what's going to happen?) that I could not be bothered to care. And with 6-5, I absolutely hated the sudden direction the game took for the entire case. It was the first time I actually hated what was happening in AA. If they are going to continue in this way then it's better to leave it as it is and say the franchise has run its course. I'm personally more interested to see what Takumi could do in a non-AA game like he did with Ghost Trick. DD's mistakes were just a continuation of GK's mistakes but that's just my opinion. Around the time DD was incoming and it was revealed that it was a GK-team game I remember feeling like "they have to prove they're better than what they made with GK" and around that time AAI2 was still japanese-only so only hearesay had infos and all who had played it said "the GK team improved!". After DD I just feel like it is what it is, and I'd rather have that than only one game from whatever Takumi is doing. He's obviously not interested in going back to milking the franchise he wanted to end at T&T and even if the DD/SoJ team manages to completely screw up the lore or something in the future it doesn't negate the qualities of the previous games. Basically, I'd rather have 2 different Ace Attorney games done by two different teams than only one out of my own snobbing towards team-Yamazaki, after all. |
Author: | Hatshinit [ Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:54 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Do you want another main series game after this one? |
AA4-6 being the second trilogy of the series I feel like the series could just as well be done with now. Now they just need to get on with GK3. |
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