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Author: | AAI2bestAA [ Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ace Attorney Anime Discussion |
Gyakuten$aiban wrote: I've become too jaded by pre-hate to enjoy this anymore. ONCE AGAIN the Internet has STOLEN MY JOY before I ever get to experience it. >:( Why would you be? the internet is just a bunch of people who like to jump on conclusions based on limited evidence. |
Author: | Gyakuten$aiban [ Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:22 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ace Attorney Anime Discussion |
So I decided to stop being a butthurt baby and watch it. It's a little TOO straightforward of an adaptation but since case 1 was just a courtroom battle I guess I can't expect a whole lot of action. Hopefully episodes that also have investigations get more interesting. |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:41 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ace Attorney Anime Discussion |
I just realized something very significant. There is a good chance that for once in 15 years, Grossberg will officially have more than two facial expressions. |
Author: | TheDoctor [ Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:42 am ] |
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It'd be funnier if he didn't, actually. |
Author: | Nurio [ Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:50 pm ] |
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I personally am not disappointed by this first episodes, though I do share the same complaints that the character art doesn't blend well into the background art and that the 'models' aren't always very consistent. I still think it looks good enough, though. It was enjoyable. Of course, my biggest complaint, like most people have, is the pacing. They really only needed to give a few extra seconds during tense moments to have that drama sink in with the audience. It also really breaks immersion, because characters have thought of a solution before the audience can always even comprehend what's just been said. This was actually apparent to me within the first 10 seconds (which made me dread the rest of the episode). Frank Sahwit had just killed Cindy and tells himself he needs to pin the crime on someone else. (That already is a bit of a quick realization from the character.) But he hardly even finished that thought and he immediately thought "Oh! I could pin it on 'that guy'!" If they just made Frank Sahwit internally panic between those two thoughts, it'd work way way better! The same goes for the conclusions Phoenix comes to. Especially when he accused Frank Sahwit of the crime. "Objection! There's a contradiction in your testimony! So, you are actually the criminal!" ...That's how it sounded to me. Let Phoenix wrack his brain for a moment to realize what that contradiction really meant |
Author: | gotMLK7 [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 1:54 am ] |
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I've recently found a hobby in ranking the openings of an anime season as they come out to decide which are the strongest and which are the weakest as the new shows come out. I try to leave most of my bias behind, but people called me out on how high I placed the Ace Attorney opening "Gyakuten Winner" by Johnny's West, which is currently sitting around Space Patrol Luluco and Joker Game as my favorite of the season. The OP has had generally mixed reception, with some people loving how cheesy and totally "anime" it is and others thinking it's too cliche and doesn't particularly fit Ace Attorney. I can't deny that I'm biased towards the series, but I also do have very good reasons for liking the OP specifically as much as I do, and that's a matter of good direction. The details aren't hard to see when you look through the OP and think about it for a few moments, but it's fairly subtle if you're watching it casually and is actually pretty darn clever for an OP as hokey as this. So let's break down the shots of the OP as I put on my "Mother's Basement" hat and try to explain what's so good about the opening to the Ace Attorney anime. Spoiler: Analysis on the Ace Attorney anime OP |
Author: | trigunlover11 [ Thu Apr 07, 2016 2:43 am ] |
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TheDoctor wrote: Since the Ace Attorney anime is slated to come out in April 2016, I thought it would be appropriate to start discussing what people would like to see in the anime. For starters, as far as casting is concerned, I'm hoping we get Norio Wakamoto as the Judge and Mugihito as von Karma. More so the latter than the former (although Norio Wakamoto would probably work for von Karma, or even Gant for that matter). Not sure who should voice Phoenix and Edgeworth though, although I can sort of hear Sayaka Ohara as Mia and Tomokazu Sugita as Godot. Assuming there's an English cast, after seeing a video with von Karma lip syncing to something sung by Judge Frollo in The Hunchback of Notre Dame, I almost want Tony Jay to voice him (although it'll never happen). The only other casting decision I can think of would be J. Michael Tatum as Kristoph Gavin, even though that's a ways off yet (unless they introduce him early). EDIT: I also read somewhere that Jennifer Hale would be a good choice to play Franziska, which I have to say is a pretty dead-on casting choice. I'll so get the Anime series itself in English dubbing in the future there - I don't mind watching it in Japanese with English subtitles for the time being. Worth it. |
Author: | linkenski [ Fri Apr 08, 2016 12:01 am ] |
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I liked it a lot. It really catches that down-to-earthness the series had in the beginning which I started to miss after T&T. They also show they can still do it justice outside of the original script with Larry breaking in like "That's my name!!!" and getting pulled back by a police officer or the Judge hitting the gavel on his head because Mia startles him with an interjection, and it has that brisk energy that I love. It may look uglier in still frames but it's a smoother and more energetic production than any of the DD cutscenes for example. I feel like the characters move around a lot in this and i love that. |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Fri Apr 08, 2016 12:42 am ] |
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The latter half of the anime interview with Director Watanabe & Shu Takumi is here! Spoiler: Summary that goes a bit more into detail than originally intended What an entertaining interview. Now, I don't usually ship characters, needless to say, characters with their creators, but Takunaru is the best OTP in all of this franchise. |
Author: | karen_delight [ Tue Apr 19, 2016 5:15 pm ] |
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My thoughts are that the sunflower motif is supposed to resemble the attorney's badge? Additionally - I had started writing a transcript for the anime here, but I don't know if that's already being done, so I stopped. Does anyone know if this has been done or if I should continue to write it out? |
Author: | Rubia Ryu the Royal [ Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:19 pm ] |
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I don't think anyone else is writing it, so thanks for that. It could be useful to track what differences were made in the anime script as opposed to the game's. It's up to you, though, if you want to keep going for every episode. Do you transcribe them from the raw episodes? I haven't seen the English subs for the first episode, so I don't know how Crunchyroll's translations go. And one quick correction in the beginning: He's just panting at first, not laughing. |
Author: | Viktoria von Karma [ Wed Apr 20, 2016 5:04 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ace Attorney Anime Discussion |
I haven't read the whole thread yet (and it's really annoying that I can see every episode only a week later, because the threads for the episodes are pretty long then), but I kind of have mixed feelings about the anime. I love nearly everything AA related and I'm really not the kind of person that complains about Capcom messing up with the series, but sometimes the Anime is pretty strange and makes me wonder what the heck I'm watching there. But I like the intro, I think it's pretty catchy, and since I also found that the first cases of the game were a little boring, I honestly hope it will get better. |
Author: | Sligneris [ Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:06 am ] |
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There I was, being so hyped about the anime when I saw Pachinko cutscenes, thinking they'll be scenes from the anime. The actual anime ended up being somewhat disappointing, now... |
Author: | Klonoahedgehog [ Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:03 pm ] |
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God, am i the only one who find Maya really annoying in this series? |
Author: | Nurio [ Sat Apr 23, 2016 7:34 pm ] |
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Sligneris wrote: There I was, being so hyped about the anime when I saw Pachinko cutscenes, thinking they'll be scenes from the anime. The actual anime ended up being somewhat disappointing, now... To be fair, people repeatedly said that the real anime won't be as good as the Pachinko scenes, exactly so that people won't get disappointed, expecting something as marvelous as the Pachinko scenes |
Author: | cookielawyer [ Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:36 pm ] |
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To comment on something I've noticed a lot: Many people are complaining that the anime isn't like the game and that some scenes were left out. I don't think film adaptions of books/games are supposed to be the same, wouldn't that be really predictable and boring for the people that have already played the game? Besides, one episode is about 20 minutes long and it takes hours to get through one case in the game, so it would be hard and pretty boring to get it 1:1 in the anime. Imo we should treat this as an anime based on the storyline of the games not as an anime version of the games. |
Author: | henke37 [ Sat Jun 11, 2016 11:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ace Attorney Anime Discussion |
You are right in that it's not the game. Many changes are to be expected. However, people are free to criticize the choice which scenes are removed. It's one thing to say that the anime is worse because a scene is removed. But it is another thing to explain why the scene was important and to discuss the changes to the meaning of the story the changes have. So in short, just complaining about something being different isn't productive, but discussing how the changes impact the story is quite productive. |
Author: | D.A. McCoy [ Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:17 pm ] |
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Sorry for bringing back an old topic, but this seemed like the only "general discussion" topic, so I brought it back. I watched the first episode and didn't really get into it (although part of it is I don't have a Crunchyroll account so since I wasn't thrilled with it I didn't really want to make the effort to register). However, now that it's complete (and there's a likely Blu-Ray release in the future), I had a question. Now that it's finished, would you say there's a lot of new material here? Are there any episodes which expand the story in big ways? Are there any flashback episodes that play out in more detail than the games? Or is it just a straight-up adaptation of the series? I know there's some discussion about things being removed but I was wondering about things they could add. I'd be much more interested if there was a lot of new material here. |
Author: | Nurio [ Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:27 pm ] |
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They changed up some things for the sake of pacing and fitting the content into a few episodes. Some of the changes are good and some of the changes are... meh. I would say there are basically two additions: 1. The 13th episode is a Flashback that's pretty well written and fleshes out Phoenix's childhood 2. You are able to see reactions from side characters in the gallery (which can be hit or miss) One other thing that comes to mind is that they improved Oldbag in Case 1-3. I think that was unanimously agreed on |
Author: | Butz the Klutz 52 [ Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:52 pm ] |
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Eh I didn't like the pacing of the anime. Or the fact that it cut out cases 1-5 and 2-1. Also hated how they didn't implement the games' soundtracks efficiently. Don't get me started with what they did to Adrian and Celeste. And seriously, lawyers and prosecutors can airbend?! But on the bright side, case 2-3 was WAYYY better here than in the games. Also liked how they gave more depth in Phoenix's childhood. |
Author: | D.A. McCoy [ Sat Oct 01, 2016 2:27 am ] |
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Thanks guys! It sounds like the kind of thing where if I see the Blu-Ray for like $20-30 I'd buy it and watch it but probably not more than that. |
Author: | WildSandwich [ Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:23 am ] |
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I overall quite enjoyed the anime, though I'm on the fence about showing it to non-fans. There's plenty of good, neutral and bad to go around... Some good stuff: - Overall increased characterization, making a lot of characters better fleshed out (especially characters related to 1-3 as well as Lotta Hart and Marvin Grossberg) - More Larry Butz, including an appearance in 2-4 - Maya and Pearl are pretty much spot on - A better look at the class trial is presented along with the relationship between Edgeworth, Larry and Phoenix - The Samurai shows are actually shown - Phoenix's house, bike and other locations are shown - 2-3 is giant improvement overall since they actually do something different with the wrap-up episode - Increased physicality, since multiple characters can interact with ease, allowing for better humorous moments, better sweet moments, etc. - Morgan Fey is more transparently evil, which while killing the mystery a bit actually comes across fairly well, and mixes up part of 2-2 in an interesting way Neutral Stuff: - Some of the content cut for time, which some fans will probably be sad to see but quite a few are of no big loss (Gumshoe getting fired in 2-4 and some fetch quests come to mind) - Some of the scenes changed aren't so much worse than the original but just different (locations of confrontations change, etc.) - I'm putting this here because some people are split on it and I personally love it: dramatic wind is implemented to justify the over the top anime reactions you see in the game, with people getting knocked back and tossed around (as stated above it's like lawyers are now airbenders) - Soundtrack use (yeah I thought it was fine but some people have argued its worse and better than the game so I'm labeling it neutral) - Some negative traits of characters are dropped (Edgeworth appears to be less of a dirty douche, Franziska - No 1-5, as while it sucks it really isn't necessary since that was added on for later releases of the first game and will only really matter when it comes time to introduce Lana and Ema, which can really be done in another season (though it should be done at some point) Bad Stuff: - Dead God is there a lot of off-model problems when it comes to the animation, more than once it's like you can peg the scene where the episode started to run out of money - Some of the court stuff goes really fast, investigation typically gets more love than the actual courtroom antics - No Magatama, except for one quick short glimpse of psych-locks that are in this case used as a visual metaphor to show when a person cracks (show still works okay not having it but yeah, this one will annoy pretty much all fans, even myself and I'm a bit of an apologist for some of the stuff left out) - Adrian Andrews and Celeste end up having a different relationship, which was no doubt simplified for brevity but the result is Adrian, one of the more tragic characters in all of Ace Attorney, not getting as much characterization, so in particular fans of the character will be annoyed, especially if you thought Adrian was in love with Celeste - A few big moments from the games end up falling a bit flatter in the show, with the most obvious moment being the taser scene and Maya's moments in 1-4, as while still decent they really don't seem to carry quite the same weight as they did in the game, despite the different presentation style which should arguably make things grander - 1-4 ends up having a plot hole or two thanks to some changes made - 1-2 suffers a bit at points since while Grossberg, Maya hiring Phoenix and I'd argue even the final blow to Redd White are well done some other bits, like April May's whole bit, kinda suck - Lotta Hart isn't in 2-4, being replaced by Larry (kind of a bummer since Lotta Hart did get better characterization in the anime) - No 2-1 (real blow for Maggey and Gumshoe fans even if it isn't until 3-3 that goes anywhere) - Edgeworth lacks a fear of earthquakes (earthquake doesn't factor into the worst day of his life anymore, which irks some people and I don't fully get why they cut that one) - First opening and ending aren't terribly impressive (first opening is even off-model in some episodes) - Second ending is full of lies (okay this one's petty but Missile the Police Dog is in the ending but never otherwise in the anime, dammit!) There's plenty of more specific examples I could list but hopefully that fleshes out some specific issues people have. I still say at the very least fans should watch the anime but temper your expectations, it's an anime with a limited number of episodes. |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:45 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ace Attorney Anime Discussion |
Overall,the anime was.........meh. Not bad,but not great. Definitely can't recommend it to non-fans. Play the games instead. |
Author: | Chloe [ Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:23 am ] |
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I wish the anime would have had Trials & Tribulations. |
Author: | Butz the Klutz 52 [ Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:17 pm ] |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wULg1XhEMqM This Pachinko scene is making me crave even more for T&T |
Author: | WildSandwich [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:24 am ] |
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Chloe wrote: I wish the anime would have had Trials & Tribulations. They might. I've heard reports it was popular enough to potentially justify doing more, just gonna be a question of when, how many episodes, and then also when we'll find out if that's actually gonna happen or not. General consensus has been a fairly positive 'meh', in that people have plenty to gripe about (not a shocker, especially if you just look at this forum alone) but people have been keeping up regardless. |
Author: | Chloe [ Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:38 pm ] |
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Butz the Klutz 52 wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wULg1XhEMqM This Pachinko scene is making me crave even more for T&T This looks so wonderful. I love Dahlia's voice in this. |
Author: | Butz the Klutz 52 [ Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:05 am ] |
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Chloe wrote: Butz the Klutz 52 wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wULg1XhEMqM This Pachinko scene is making me crave even more for T&T This looks so wonderful. I love Dahlia's voice in this. Yeah I love the way voice actress says her lines. Plus the music was on point |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:43 pm ] |
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I'm really disappointed those weren't in the actual anime,because they're way better in terms of animation than the actual show. |
Author: | Gold [ Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:42 am ] |
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Ace Attorney anime is a bad adaptation. Sure, an adaptation always has to adapt and find new ways to entertain people already familiar with the source material. But this one... uh, it's just lame. Everything is ruined : Some characters disappear, others are entirely rewritten. The animation is at least lazy, and the art is less than common, like a great majority of the soundtrack. The openings and endings are all perfectly out of context. This anime just seems like any other stereotypical anime without a shred of ambition. Case 1 was correct I guess... but every single other case are rushed... or delayed. Oh yeah and of course there's the deal of AA1-5 and AA2-1, replaced by a filler episode. |
Author: | Southern Corn [ Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:17 pm ] |
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And the middle part of Big Top being rushed out. Though the finale is better. It really says a lot when the best case finale isn't Goodbyes or Farewell,but Big Top. |
Author: | godot_in_court [ Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:04 am ] |
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what the heck?? why is this pachinko version seem ten times better than the actual anime?? |
Author: | Nurio [ Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:17 pm ] |
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godot_in_court wrote: what the heck?? why is this pachinko version seem ten times better than the actual anime?? Shorter anime sections than a whole anime series, less of a tight schedule, bigger budget due to there being more money in pachinko (I think). |
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