Ace Attorney Awards. Best Breakdown has a winner! COME VOTE.

Burninator · Post by **Burninator** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:28 am

Contests held to end debates. With style. :butzthumbs:

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Time to begin Best Breakdown! Needless to say, this will include spoilers. So don't look if you don't want to be spoiled. Pretty simple. Pretty much all the murderers/accomplices/other people who did bad things. And their animations as we get closer to or figure out the truth of their crimes.

http://www.court-records.net/sprites1.htm

Finals:
von Karma headbang
Wellington face squish thing
Kristoph OVER 9000!
Engarde Face Scratch

Vote once a day for your ONE favorite breakdown!
First to 15 wins.

Best Breakdown! SPOILERS WILL ENSUE.

Best Evidence

1st: Larry's Painting (3-5) :butzthumbs:

2nd: Magatama (Most cases starting with 2-2) :magatama-spin:

3rd: Sacred Urn (2-2, 3-2) :pearl:

4th: King of Prosecutors Trophy (1-5) :king:

Worst Character Design

Males:
1st: Sal Manella :sal:

2nd: Jean Armstrong :flowsers:

3rd: Spark Brushel :egg:

4th: Frank Sahwit :foam:

Females:
1st: Wendy Oldbag Second win! :oldbag:

2nd: Lotta Hart :lotta-angry:

3rd: Penny Nichols :pokeman:

4th: Bikini :Bikini:

Best Character Design

Males:
1st: Miles Edgeworth Third win!! :D :jazzedgy:

2nd: Godot :godot:

3rd: Damon Gant :gant-clap:

4th: Phoenix Wright (Hobo) :hobolaugh:

Females:
1st: Franziska von Karma :franny:

2nd: Trucy Wright :minuki:
3rd: Dahlia Hawthorne :that-b-word:

4th: Mia Fey (Younger) :youngmia:

Best Defendant
First: 1-2 Phoenix Wright Second win! :object:

Second: 4-1 Phoenix Wright :hobolaugh:

Third: Miles Edgeworth :jazzedgy:

Worst Defendant

First: Zak Gramarye
Second: Matt Engarde :scratch:

Third: Iris :ayame:
Fourth: Lana Skye :lana:

Best Motive

First: 1-4 Second win!
Second: SL-9 :neil:

Third: 3-2
Fourth: 2-2 :grey:

Worst Motive

1st: DL-6 :gregory:

2nd: 4-1OA :olga-catch:

3rd: 1-1

4th: 3-5

Best Looking Hair

1st: Miles Edgeworth Second win! :D :edgy:
2nd: Angel Starr :angel:

3rd: Damon Gant :gant:

4th: Apollo Justice :odoroki:
5th: Desiree DeLite :mareka:

Worst Murder Plot

1st: 1-2
2nd: 4-1
3rd: 2-3

Best Murder Plot
1st: 1-4
2nd: 4-4
3rd: 3-3

Cutest Couple
1st: Mia/Diego :youngmia:

2nd: Ron/Desirée :accordion-head:

:mareka:
3rd: Iris/Phoenix :ayame: :jazzsneeze:

Punniest Name
1st: Luke Atmey (Look at me) :agia-shock:
2nd: Olga Orly (O rly?) :olga-quick:

3rd: Pal Meraktis (Malpractice)

Worst Case
Worst: 4-3 :Maki:
2nd Worst: 2-1 :beef:

3rd Worst: 1-1 :foam:

Best Case
First: 3-5 :elise:

Second: 1-5 :neil:

Third: 2-4 :shoe:

Fourth: 1-4 :karma:

Fifth: 3-2 :Maskdemaske:

Most Annoying Witness to Cross Examine
1st: Wendy Oldbag :oldbag:

2nd: Benjamin Woodman/Trilo Quist :punch-ben:

3rd: Spark Brushel :Brush-Sniff:

Most Amusing Character
First Place: The Judge :udgy:
Second Place: Miles Edgeworth :jazzedgy:

Third Place: Maya Fey :-P

Fourth Place: Phoenix Wright :oops:

Fifth Place: Damon Gant :gant-clap:

Sixth Place: Ema Skye (younger) :ema:

Sixth Place: Franziska von Karma :franny:

Sixth Place: Trucy Wright :minuki:

Best Prosecutor
1st: Miles Edgeworth :think:

2nd: Godot :Godot-object:

3rd: Manfred von Karma :karma-scream:

Most Attractive Character (PENDING)
Males: 1st: Phoenix Wright :nick-heart:

2nd: Miles Edgeworth :wacky-edgy:

3rd: Diego Armando :haykitten:

Females: 1st: Desiree Delite :mareka:
2nd: Lana Skye :lana:

3rd: Adrian Andrews :adrian:

Craziest Hairdo
1st: Daryan Crescend :pencileraser:

2nd: Luke Atmey :agia-shock:
3rd: Drew Misham :uh:

Future Contests To be Held:

Best Last Lines
Most Important Picture
Best Animal
Best Outfit
Worst Outfit
Best Location
Worst Location

Tmabbbb · Post by **Tmabbbb** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:22 am

So far, not bad. I'm just posting to say that Gumshoe was in the 4th game, so he ties with Payne, Phoenix, and the Judge. I suppose you could include records for most cases in which a character was the witness. Furthermore, I think whether Manfred should count as a main character is debatable. He only appears in one case, and although there are future references to him, I'm not too sure if it counts.
As well, what exactly counts as an appearance? If there is a flashback, profile picture, reference, or Phoenix seeing visions of Mia, would those count? If so, Mia appears in 1-5 at the end of Starr's testimony. Manfred would also appear in 2-2 and 3-5. Edgeworth would appear in 2-2. By the way, Phoenix is in 3-4. At the very end, shortly after Terry commits suicide, we see Phoenix by the computer.
Moreover, what exactly counts as a murder accusation? If I remember correctly, Klavier accused Phoenix of murder in 4-4 for about 5 seconds. Phoenix accuses Edgeworth of murder in 1-5, although it could be percieved as a joke.

Szabu · Post by **Szabu** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:59 pm

Gumshoe was in both 3-1 and 4-4 flashback, and Oldbag was in 3-5's ending.

And I think that if Manfred counts as a main, so does Iris.

Franzise Deauxnim · Post by **Franzise Deauxnim** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:00 pm

I'm almost positive Mia wasn't in 2-3.

DramaticaXIV2 · Post by **DramaticaXIV2** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:29 pm

Mia wasn't in 2-3, no.

Not considering AJ for Gumshoe?

oddy · Post by **oddy** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:00 pm

I think oldbag is the oldest person.

Franzise Deauxnim · Post by **Franzise Deauxnim** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:40 pm

Oldbag's age is never given.

NinjaMonkey · Post by **NinjaMonkey** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:51 am

Szabu wrote:Gumshoe was in both 3-1 and 4-4 flashback

And where was Gumshoe in 3-1? He certaintly didn't testify or show up in the defendants lobby, so...

Szabu · Post by **Szabu** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:09 am

NinjaMonkey wrote:
Szabu wrote:Gumshoe was in both 3-1 and 4-4 flashback

And where was Gumshoe in 3-1? He certaintly didn't testify or show up in the defendants lobby, so...

Are you sure? Well, maybe I was wrong, but I thought that he gave one or two testimonies, like in 2-1.

Baloo · Post by **Baloo** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:42 am

The only witnesses in 3-1 were Phoenix and Dahlia.

Burninator · Post by **Burninator** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:11 am

Main Characters = Phoenix, Mia, Maya, Edgeworth, Gumshoe, Udgy, Pearl , Payne, von Karma's, Godot
Recurring = Grossburg, Larry, Lotta, Oldbag, Maggey, Will Powers, Meekins, Ema, Hotti, Adrian

Mia counts as anytime she appears as herself, in maya, or in pearl

Szabu · Post by **Szabu** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:17 am

How come you call Manfred a main, but not Dahlia?

Tmabbbb · Post by **Tmabbbb** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:30 am

I agree that we should consider whether Manfred really is a main character. He only appeared in one case. Furthermore, a few points that need to be edited:

As somebody said before, Oldbag is in the third game and ties for second most game appearances.

This is a stretch, but if you consider the figure at the bottom right of the screen in Sunshine Coliseum in 4-3 and 4-4 to be Larry, he ties for second most game appearances.

I believe Shadi Enigmar was the oldest defendant. According to Court Records, he is 46 years old, so whether he was a defendant at this age, or the age of seven years younger, he is still older than Phoenix.

Magnifi Gramarye was the oldest victim. I suppose you could say that he isn't, seeing as he committed suicide, but he was considered a victim as far as the law is concerned. Besides, I bet Zak really murdered him, regardless of what Valant tells you. But if you do consider him to be the killer, that would make him the oldest killer at 67.

This might be a stretch, but I'd say that Dahlia caused her own death. If she didn't kill Doug, she wouldn't have died.

Gumshoe appears in 13 cases. 1-2, 1-3, 1-4, 1-5, 2-1, 2-2, 2-3, 2-4, 3-2, 3-3, 3-4, 3-5, 4-4. One way to look at it is that there are 18 cases, and Gumshoe is absent in the five you listed.

As I said before, Phoenix is in all 18 cases.

I just remembered, if you don't like my theory that Phoenix was accused of murder in 4-4, and you want to include a second place, we have Edgeworth in 1-4 and 1-5, and Larry in 1-1 and 3-5. Both of those are small stretches, but they were still murder accusations.

I'm not sure about the term "caused the most deaths", because Morgan gave birth to Dahlia, and might be considered the cause of it all. Ami Fey founded the Kurain Channeling Technique, and could be considered the cause of the blood feud, resulting in Dahlia's crimes. Grossberg could be considered a cause of Mia's death, because he sold DL-6 information to Redd White, resulting in Mia becoming a lawyer and pursuing White. There are too many ways the phrase "cause" a death could be used to implicate people.

Dahlia might not have killed Valerie in 3-4. There was no decisive proof against her. Therefore, the youngest murderer was Dahlia at age 20, when she killed Doug.

Didn't Joe Darke cause the most deaths? He killed four people, and he was the cause of Neil's and Goodman's murder, as well as his own execution. Might be a stretch, but you did say "cause" the most deaths. So that was 7, compared to Dahlia causing Valerie, Terry, Doug, herself, and Misty to die for a total of five. I don't count Diego because he is not dead, although you might be able to count him if he was executed after 3-5. Although, if you're really nitpicky about it, you might say Joe did not kill the first four people in the SL-9 files, since there was no proof against him. Actually, another argument could be that Phoenix caused the most deaths, just like Gumshoe said. "Sometimes, I wonder if he's the cause of all these incidents!" So that would make Phoenix first place, at a total of 18 deaths. (That was a joke.)

This is even more of a stretch, but you could say Dahlia was the youngest victim at 12. There was no proof that Terry didn't kill Dahlia. Mia presented the possibility and then Edgeworth said who the witness was, but there was nothing proving that was Dahlia. It could have even been Iris. Since it was not proven, then as far as the law is concerned, Dahlia is dead.

Wow. I'm really tired of typing. Hope I've been helpful, despite being a bit nitpicky.

TheMcD · Post by **TheMcD** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:29 am

On the matter of most deaths caused.... shouldn't Redd White get that award?

It says most deaths CAUSED, and White brought many people to commit suicide.

The McD

Burninator · Post by **Burninator** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:54 pm

well... its kinda proven that dahlia ISNT DEAD.
also, i dont count phoenix as being in 3-4 because he had no profile and it was just at the VERY end.

Szabu · Post by **Szabu** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:43 pm

Depends, does Edgey count for 2-3? Because if so, then Phoenix counts for 3-4, too.

Burninator · Post by **Burninator** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:58 pm

well.... im not sure. even though he has a profile in 2-3 and shows up at the end, i dont think it should be counted, not that it matters for his case appearance count. even if it does, it doesnt necesarily mean phoenix was in 3-4. edgeworth actually had a profile in 2-3 while Phoenix just appeared at the end after the flashback

DramaticaXIV2 · Post by **DramaticaXIV2** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:01 pm

I don't believe Edgey did have a profile in 2-3.

Burninator · Post by **Burninator** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:07 pm

Edgy has a profile after Franziska and Phoenix and telling Maya about him and how he left

DramaticaXIV2 · Post by **DramaticaXIV2** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:08 pm

I'm pretty sure he doesn't...

Then again, I haven't replayed it in a few months. You may be right.

Burninator · Post by **Burninator** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:09 pm

i checked some of the walkthrough that have all of the profile and evidence from the case beforehand. they had Miles Edgeworth as a profile and the description

FirexxxSaber · Post by **FirexxxSaber** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:27 pm

Tmabbbb wrote:

I'm not sure about the term "caused the most deaths", because Morgan gave birth to Dahlia, and might be considered the cause of it all. Ami Fey founded the Kurain Channeling Technique, and could be considered the cause of the blood feud, resulting in Dahlia's crimes. Grossberg could be considered a cause of Mia's death, because he sold DL-6 information to Redd White, resulting in Mia becoming a lawyer and pursuing White. There are too many ways the phrase "cause" a death could be used to implicate people.

Dahlia might not have killed Valerie in 3-4. There was no decisive proof against her. Therefore, the youngest murderer was Dahlia at age 20, when she killed Doug.

Didn't Joe Darke cause the most deaths? He killed four people, and he was the cause of Neil's and Goodman's murder, as well as his own execution. Might be a stretch, but you did say "cause" the most deaths. So that was 7, compared to Dahlia causing Valerie, Terry, Doug, herself, and Misty to die for a total of five. I don't count Diego because he is not dead, although you might be able to count him if he was executed after 3-5. Although, if you're really nitpicky about it, you might say Joe did not kill the first four people in the SL-9 files, since there was no proof against him. Actually, another argument could be that Phoenix caused the most deaths, just like Gumshoe said. "Sometimes, I wonder if he's the cause of all these incidents!" So that would make Phoenix first place, at a total of 18 deaths. (That was a joke.)

Wow. I'm really tired of typing. Hope I've been helpful, despite being a bit nitpicky.

Wouldn't it be

Spoiler: 2-2

DramaticaXIV2 · Post by **DramaticaXIV2** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:03 am

We don't know for certain she was the cause.

Litral · Post by **Litral** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:03 am

How about "Most Crazy Hairdo"?

Burninator · Post by **Burninator** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:09 am

Well things like that could be based on personal opinion, so maybe we should have a vote. any nominations?

i nominate Wellington

Nominations: Wellington

APT · Post by **APT** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:51 am

I hereby suggest these Phoenix Wright characters for the weirdest hairdo:

Spoiler:

I do not intend to put all of these in the nominations, however this is presented to offer suggestions to persons who intend to nominate an Ace Attorney character for evaluation.

(I'd nominate either Magnifi, Nick or Apollo, but I can't choose. BTW, you can use the Official Art to verify all the claims stated.)

Franzise Deauxnim · Post by **Franzise Deauxnim** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:38 pm

No Gant for weirdest hair?

And I disagree with "Character that caused the most deaths" and "Most Important Character."

Spoiler: Entire Phoenix Wright series

NinjaMonkey · Post by **NinjaMonkey** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:13 pm

I'm going to noninate Daryan for craziest hairdo, since his is totally impossible to style in real life (not to mention how phallic it is).

Scarf · Post by **Scarf** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:24 pm

For craziest do...I'd like to nominate Morgan. I don't know how she does it! :garyuu:

Szabu · Post by **Szabu** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:37 pm

DramaticaXIV2 wrote:We don't know for certain she was the cause.

Spoiler: 2-2

Burninator · Post by **Burninator** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:08 pm

Franzise Deauxnim wrote:No Gant for weirdest hair?

And I disagree with "Character that caused the most deaths" and "Most Important Character."

Spoiler: Entire Phoenix Wright series
As for MIC, Gregory Edgeworth? Yeah, his death was important to the story, but the character himself? Not so much. We know he was trying to get Miles to be a defense attorney and he was probably a good guy, but that's about it. I think the guy who actually killed him is far more important, so again Manny gets my vote.

But von karma didnt have anything to do with Phoenix becoming a lawyer. gregory inspired miles who inspired Phoenix. von Karma just amde Miles want to become a prosecutor instead.

Franzise Deauxnim · Post by **Franzise Deauxnim** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:28 am

That was part of the reason. The other was because Edgeworth was supposed to become a defense attorney, so when Phoenix found out he was this "demon prosecutor", he tried to get an explanation out of Edgey. Miles blew Nick off, so Phoenix became a lawyer to face him in court.

And yeah, I agree with Szabu about Dahlia being a main character. She's pretty much the most important character in the third game.

Burninator · Post by **Burninator** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:06 am

im just going to get rid of the "Most Important Character" category to get rid of all the debate about it

Franzise Deauxnim · Post by **Franzise Deauxnim** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:11 am

Isn't debate the whole point of topics like this? :eh?:

Burninator · Post by **Burninator** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:13 am

right now I'm trying to focus on the Craziest Hairdo Nominations and vote.

I have made a new topic for the "Most Important Character" Debate. please discuss that there, not here.

La Diable · Post by **La Diable** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 3:50 am

Interesting topic. I noticed you based your age categories on the ages in the profiles. I prefer to do age based on the year the character was born - since we meet characters in different years, their ages will changes, but their birth year never will. Under that system:
Oldest main: Still Manfred (1951)
Youngest main: Trucy (2011)
Oldest character: still Bruto Cadaverini (1948)
Youngest character: Machi Tobaye (2012)

Also, where are all the AJ characters in your list of mains?
~~also Charley is totally in all four games~~

_Krystal_ · Post by **_Krystal_** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:06 am

I nominate Luke atmey for craziest hairdo.

fatalfeline · Post by **fatalfeline** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:52 pm

I nominate Pearl Fey for craziest hairdo.

I still cannot figure out how those loop things actually work. And stay put. T_T

Burninator · Post by **Burninator** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:53 pm

Nominations for Craziest Hairdo are Closed its down to
Richard Wellington
Phoenix/Furio Tigre
Maxillion Galactica
Machi Tobaye
Drew Misham
Apollo Justice
Daryan Crescend
Morgan Fey
Elise Deauxnim
Magnifi Gramarye
Luke Atmey
Pearl Fey

First Round:
Richard Wellington -0
Luke Atmey-1
Magnifi Gramarye-0
Machi Tobaye -1

2 votes each time. either for the same person or 1 for each of two.
Vote twice a day
First to 10 votes wins (if we even get that far)

I vote for Machi and Luke

DramaticaXIV2 · Post by **DramaticaXIV2** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:57 pm

Machi and Magnifi.