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Some stuff like Case 1-1 (first game first case, frank sawhit) would be kind of ridiculous, the simplicity and stupidity of the charges and evidence, but as the series progresses the cases become more believable, deep, complex, and actually to greater and greater degrees of believable. So I ask, what do you guys think was the most believable case, as in if you were told all these stories where you didn't know PW existed, which would you describe as the least "STORYTELLER IS A LIAR!!!!!" story?

Also, for the purposes of this topic, ignore internal game contradictions, and assume channeling and magatamas can work in the real world.

Me? Personally? I don't remember all the cases that well, but I thought 3-4 was really well designed for that exact purpose.
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I dunno, none of them really struck me as believeable... I would say 2-2, but that heavily smells of Soap Opera Drama to me, what with dead siblings and taken identities and such.

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2-4 seemed pretty realistic bar the fact that hiring an assassin and committing murder are different charges. 4-1 and 4-4 also don't have any unrealistic things that bother me that I can think of (the MASON system could be an internal game contradiction)

I also like how for the first half of the first trial of Case 1-5, Phoenix's contradictions are all about infusing enough reasonable doubt to keep going ("No murderer wouldn't run away!")

Not a case, but the KG-8 incident. Also, AAI-2 and AAI-4 don't seem to have any huge contradictions either (again, if you count the hotel sized plane as an in-game contradiction)
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Not a case, but the KG-8 incident. Also, AAI-2 and AAI-4 don't seem to have any huge contradictions either (again, if you count the hotel sized plane as an in-game contradiction)

To be fair AAI was set in, what, 2019? Who knows what technological advances we may go through in five years. :basil:
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Case Number 1:

"Robbing a house: Oops, killed someone".
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Scowling Dragon wrote:
Case Number 1:

"Robbing a house: Oops, killed someone".

Granted, robberies-turned-murders when the victim comes back are pretty common.

1-5, to me, was fairly realistic.
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Scowling Dragon wrote:
Case Number 1:

"Robbing a house: Oops, killed someone".

Yeah but the fact that Larry got arrested was bs
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JesusMonroe wrote:
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Case Number 1:

"Robbing a house: Oops, killed someone".

Yeah but the fact that Larry got arrested was bs


Not really. The Police always tend to put a LOT of suspect on the boyfriend/lover first.
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Pretty much why its most realistic. Non-premeditated murders are usually pretty simple, and the coverup is "Hide the body in a Trunk/ HE DID IT!".
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Pretty much why its most realistic. Non-premeditated murders are usually pretty simple, and the coverup is "Hide the body in a Trunk/ HE DID IT!".


Yeah but anyone who saw how Larry acted knew he couldn't have done it. He's too dumb to do that.

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Yeah but anyone who saw how Larry acted knew he couldn't have done it. He's too dumb to do that.

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...I don't think that's how law works.
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Yeah but anyone who saw how Larry acted knew he couldn't have done it. He's too dumb to do that.

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...I don't think that's how law works.


There's "beyond reasonable doubt" and there's also the character/personality part. And really, they couldn't prove anything for Larry, especially in the pro department. Wait, why am I even arguging about actual law in AA? It's freaking AA, they pick whichever sad fucker sneezed at the scene as the culprit!

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Sure, but I'd like to see a lawyer saying "My client is innocent, he's too dumb to come up with something like that". ...Actually yeah, let's leave it.
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To me AJ as a whole is pretty believable, although case 3 is a little convoluted.
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3-5!


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Sure, but I'd like to see a lawyer saying "My client is innocent, he's too dumb to come up with something like that". ...Actually yeah, let's leave it.


Yeah I'm gonna say it: it would work in AA.

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Well... probably.
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GoingforMiles wrote:
3-5!


:gant:

No, the Mason System.

CatMuto wrote:
GoingforMiles wrote:
Sure, but I'd like to see a lawyer saying "My client is innocent, he's too dumb to come up with something like that". ...Actually yeah, let's leave it.


Yeah I'm gonna say it: it would work in AA.

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It'd convince the judge at least, but even the prosecutors would know that the defendants are all lying sons of witches and their witnesses are angelic, pure-hearted souls that speak only the truth and nothing but the truth. By association, defense lawyers make up the most foul lies to defend such badmouths.

And here, the story we all know (and probably love) begins...
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Ha...! What's a little time traveling against pendulums and flying nuns?
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Ha...! What's a little time traveling against pendulums and flying nuns?


Wasn't the Mason System more like a really expensive and epic version of powerpoint going "I learned this, which made me realize the connection here" even if they were technically during different times?

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Yeah, but the fact that you could pick up stuff to the court-record in the present and present the object to someone in the past really provoked some people.
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Yeah, but the fact that you could pick up stuff to the court-record in the present and present the object to someone in the past really provoked some people.

Vera's reaction from an alternate reality was clearly programmed into the system somehow. There's nothing wrong here, right?
Okay, to be fair, it only happened once, and it was probably a reaction he got when he talked with Vera at a later point.
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What are you referring to?
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If there's going to be any "reasonable" explanation for that, it has to be based on implications. We never saw him talk with her "at a later point", but how else would the Mason System have known how things would have proceeded without the necessary information programmed in? Sometimes, choosing an arbitrarily defined macro does the job.

The only issue here is how this could be justified to be presented as "evidence" to a jury in an actual trial, even if it's on the official records as a "test".

Not that it matters; it looks cool, so there.
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Most Believable: 1-4 :yogi:

Least Believable: TIED: 2-4 :acro: and 2-1 :beef: (I have only played the first two games, yolo)
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1-3 is the most believable for me.
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The ones in PLvsAA were quite believable.
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1-3 is the most believable for me.


You seriously think any self-respecting, proper court of law would actually think that that Steel Samurai picture is a good, believeable piece of evidence that would actually count as more than just a piece of trash that proves nothing?

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CatMuto wrote:
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1-3 is the most believable for me.


You seriously think any self-respecting, proper court of law would actually think that that Steel Samurai picture is a good, believeable piece of evidence that would actually count as more than just a piece of trash that proves nothing?

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...Yeah kind of.
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CatMuto wrote:
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1-3 is the most believable for me.


You seriously think any self-respecting, proper court of law would actually think that that Steel Samurai picture is a good, believeable piece of evidence that would actually count as more than just a piece of trash that proves nothing?

C-A

Plus, THAT FUCKING MONKEY HEAD

Oh, sorry for the rage. That was a little unexpected. I just got some horrible, horrible flashbacks of me screaming at my DS. I actually think Turnabout Samurai was the first time I got angry at Ace Attorney (and the second with the steak plate). Ah, memories

But what gave you the idea that the court in AA is proper and self-respecting?
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JesusMonroe wrote:
CatMuto wrote:
Klonoahedgehog wrote:
1-3 is the most believable for me.


You seriously think any self-respecting, proper court of law would actually think that that Steel Samurai picture is a good, believeable piece of evidence that would actually count as more than just a piece of trash that proves nothing?

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Plus, THAT FUCKING MONKEY HEAD

Oh, sorry for the rage. That was a little unexpected. I just got some horrible, horrible flashbacks of me screaming at my DS. I actually think Turnabout Samurai was the first time I got angry at Ace Attorney (and the second with the steak plate). Ah, memories

But what gave you the idea that the court in AA is proper and self-respecting?


This topic is about which topic is the most believeable - ie. which is likely to happen just that way and work out in real life court. And really, 1-3 is amongst the most unbelieveable ones. Not just cause of the photo, but also - yes - that fucking monkey head. And the apparent inability of people to walk on non-asphalt ground.

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CatMuto wrote:
You seriously think any self-respecting, proper court of law would actually think that that Steel Samurai picture is a good, believeable piece of evidence that would actually count as more than just a piece of trash that proves nothing?

It's even worse when even the police fully well know that and still try to use it anyway. Yes, the police were aware of that.
"(Funny, for someone with hard proof he doesn't look too happy.)"
But what really baffles me is that an autopsy report was taken, yet no one thought that maybe the prop spear that broke and needed to be fixed with duct tape would not be capable of killing someone until the very last day.
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For a moment, I thought you were trolling as usual. Then, I thought about it again, and if it wasn't for the awkward progression of logical kinks and poor excuse of an investigation, it would actually be a believable case.

The only thing that's unbelievable about it is Pearl's absence.
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Since 1-1 was moderately realistic, I thought the rest of the cases would be too. I didn't expect any spirit channelers or much over the top-ness. First I was confused and almost disappointed because of it, then I just sat back, accepted it and enjoyed the hell out of it. (Except for that Steel Samurai-case. *mumble, grumble*)
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I would say 1-1. To be honest, I don't think the way the criminal was proven guilty in this case is realistic, but the circumstances around the murder are very beliavable.

"A burglar kills a woman because she caught him in the middle of the robbing"
Sounds like the type of thing we could easily hear on the news. I can't say the same about any of the other cases, though.
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I-1 is very simple and grounded. 6-4 is too.
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