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Anyway,I'm left wondering what you'll think of the AAI games
Guess I'll have to wait and see.

Nice to hear, I'll probably write my opinions on the AAI-games here as well, but it may take some time (at least a few months) until I finish them (since I am generally not a very fast player and there are some weeks were I'll hardly have time to play at all).


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Surprisingly,yes. I have seen a few people who say that AJ and DD are their favourites. It's funny,because DD pretty much did nothing about AJ.

As for the original game,while most people do like it,they don't really consider it to be the best,and the only ones which are consistently loved are 1-1 and 1-4. 1-2 people hate due to the ending,1-3 because it's filler and 1-5 is the most controversial case in the series.

I agree with you, I like AA1 very much, bit it is simply not as good as for instance T&T. However I don't really think that everyone loves 1-1, at least I don't think it is a very good case. I guess the only reason why many people like it so much is the fact that it is the very first case ever and introduced us perfectly into the Ace Attorney franchise. As a standalone however, case 1-1 really doesn't offer much at all, the culprit is shown in the intro, the story and the cross examinations are simplistic and the case is probably the shortest in the entire series. It is a good tutorial case but imo not as good as the other cases in the game. My favourite cases from the first game are 1-4 and 1-5, I love both of them.
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I will agree that AA1 and T&T are very close,but I feel that the first game just does everything nearly perfectly. I adore it so much. T&T did things mostly alright,but it's only because of one certain case that it's propelled to my top three.
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Thanks the OP for all those case summaries and thoughts. I actually read them all (cept for Layton vs PW ) and it was very helpful in reviewing past cases without spending a year replaying all of them lol. Here are my rankings of all the games that I played.

1.) T&T
2.) SoJ
3.) PW Ace Attorney
4.) AA Investigations 2
5.) AJ
6.) JFA
7.) AA Investigations 1
8.) Dual Destinies

This is based on the fact that the three most recent games I finished were SoJ and the two Investigation spinoffs--perhaps my opinion of numbers 5-8 might change if I replay them and think more about them, but numbers 1-4 I feel are pretty solid.
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The only thing our lists have in common are JfA and AAI2. Both the second games of their series.

Maybe DGS2 would fit in the same place if we both played it?
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Planning on doing an in-depth video review series on this at some point, but for now here's just the rankings.

Spoiler: EVERY CASE RANKED
44. The Final Witch Trial
43. The English Turnabout
42. The Foreign Turnabout
41. The Kidnapped Turnabout
40. The Lost Turnabout
39. Turnabout Airline
38. Turnabout Big Top
37. Turnabout Storyteller
36. The First Turnabout
35. Turnabout Serenade
34. The Imprisoned Turnabout
33. The Golden Court
32. Turnabout Beginnings
31. The Monstrous Turnabout
30. Turnabout Sisters
29. The Cosmic Turnabout
28. Recipe for Turnabout
27. Turnabout Samurai
26. Turnabout Visitor
25. Turnabout Target
24. The Stolen Turnabout
23. The Rite of Turnabout
22. Turnabout Corner
21. Turnabout Reminiscence
20. Turnabout Countdown
19. Turnabout Academy
18. Reunion, and Turnabout
17. Turnabout Succession
16. Turnabout Reclaimed
15. The Fire Witch
14. Turnabout Time Traveller
13. Turnabout Memories
12. Rise from the Ashes
11. The Forgotten Turnabout
10. The Magical Turnabout
9. Turnabout Ablaze
8. Farewell, my Turnabout
7. Turnabout Goodbyes
6. Turnabout Trump
5. The Inherited Turnabout
4. Turnabout for Tomorrow
3. Turnabout Revolution
2. Bridge to the Turnabout
1. The Grand Turnabout


Spoiler: GAMES
9. Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
8. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Justice for All
7. Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth
6. Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney
5. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
4. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Dual Destinies
3. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Spirit of Justice
2. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Trials & Tribulations
1. Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth - Prosecutor's Path



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Hmm,I see. Do link to this series once you've started thus.

Oh,and out of curiosity,which are the cases/games you find good/bad/mediocre?
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For cases:

44-43 - Bad.

42-35 - Significant problems or underwhelming positive aspects.

34-27 - Either merely good or heavily mixed positive/negative elements.

26-15 - Very good!

14-4 - GUREATO DAZE

3-1 - Holy fucking shit how is it so perfect


As for games, AAI2 and T&T are both great with very little issues to address.

SoJ was really hard to rank because at its best it's the absolute pinnacle of the series (the second half of TRev) but it stumbles many times setting up something so ambitious. Still, I'd rather reward something that takes great risks and stumbles than takes no risks and succeeds.

Speaking of which, DD was probably the most consistently good game in the series when it came to core concepts, but had a lot of issues in its execution that dragged it down. Points for Blackquill though.

Vanilla Ace Attorney is good, but its supporting cast mostly sucked and it doesn't have a whole lot of meat on its bones compared to later games.

I loved Apollo Justice when it came out for the interesting new direction and tone it took. Obviously the series didn't run with it and the game has a lot of issues but it wins a lot of points for concept, plus the influence it's had on the series since.

While I consider the AAI concept and gameplay better than the main series, its lack of structure caused some major pacing issues (also seen in AAI2 in Imprisoned) and it has the weakest cast of any game in the series despite a couple of personal favourites.

Justice for All is let down by being relatively directionless, serving as more of a middle-point for the trilogy, having one of the worst rivals, two of the worst cases in the series, and a poor OST. Farewell redeems it, but it's still the weakest game in the main series.

I don't care for Professor Layton and this game is a prime example of why. Shame, because simultaneous cross-examination was a good mechanic.
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I actually somewhat agree with you for the most part. Only switch DD and Layton and they're pretty similar. Though I also don't think AAI2 is flawless,but still.

Your rankings seem to be very common in places,but what makes you hate the English Turnabout so much? That was what really got me by surprise.
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Southern Corn (SC) wrote:
I actually somewhat agree with you for the most part. Only switch DD and Layton and they're pretty similar. Though I also don't think AAI2 is flawless,but still.

Your rankings seem to be very common in places,but what makes you hate the English Turnabout so much? That was what really got me by surprise.

I don't think there's a single game in the series that's flawless, or even a single case for that matter (save for maybe Grand, which I have only played once, so maybe there's something I missed). Trials & Tribulations has the least flaws of any game in the series, but AAI2 has three of the absolute greatest cases in the series and I can't quite say that for any other game in this franchise. When I rank things, the highest high points are more important than the lowest lows.

Speaking of which, on the subject of The Englihs Turnabout...

"Hate" really isn't the right word. The only case I really "hate" is The Final Witch Trial, and even that had its merits. And there are several cases higher-up on the list that I have far more venom for.

Thing is, though, the cases evoke any genuine irritation out of me - Kidnapped, Lost, Storyteller, to name a few - all have things they do well enough that I can't quite bring myself to hate them. Kidnapped is the most Lang-heavy case in the series, Lost has some great contradictions, and Storyteller has
Spoiler: SoJ 4
freakin' Aidequill.


The problem with English is simply that there is nothing in it that I can bring myself to love. The witnesses are bland, poorly-written, and amount to little more than gimmicks. The contradictions are nothing we haven't seen before. And while it did an okay job getting us interested in the overarching plot, the setup it provides is not used well at all and unlike, say, Trump, it doesn't hold up even a little once we know the full context.

Sure, there's little bits that are decent. The animations are fun, Maya's pipe-bash was funny, and the remixed AA1 tunes are a nice touch, but none of it was impressive.

Oh, and there is one thing worthy of "hate" - the most contrived way possible to introduce the culprit's motive.
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About Grand,there are indeed a lot of coincidences.
Spoiler: AAI2,PLvsAA,JfA,and AAI spoilers
For example,you saw the President in the film footage? Yeah,he was being hoisted from the balloon by Simon while being in a standing position while John was recording.

That's pretty contrived,if you ask me.

Heck,one could even argue that the overarching plot is a bit contrived if they'd feel like it. But I find it a major plus.

And really,you liked the pipe bash in L-1?I find that funny,because that's probably the most out of character moment in this case,and the most out of character moment for Maya in general. The way they just kinda accepted it even though she assaulted Nick was especially jarring.

I do sorta appreciate those moments in 2-1 and I-3,but they're overshadowed by the fact that Lang is really a jerk and somewhat OOC (think about it-would the Lang is case five have really arrested someone immediately with so little proof?) and that there's a lot of contradictions in 2-1 that aren't even pointed out.


I'll try not to say to keep much (after all,I've already written my thoughts on every case in the series in way more detail), but those things definitely interested me the most.
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Probably all fair points, but I'll come back to this once I've replayed it. I'm replaying the whole series to reevaluate all the cases, and a lot of cases are better/worse than I remembered, or have inconsistencies that are only obvious once you know the whole truth of the case. I'm currently replaying the first AAI, and still need to replay AAI2, Layton Vs., and SoJ before I start the video series.

Truth be told I don't really like Maya at all so it didn't mean much to me that it was out of character, especially since it had been a while at the time since I'd played anything with Maya in it. But I'll keep that in mind on the replay.
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Yeah,totally. Cases like 1-3,6-4 and all of AJ really stood out to me on replays. Really makes you appreciate the big picture.
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Southern Corn (SC) wrote:
And really,you liked the pipe bash in L-1?I find that funny,because that's probably the most out of character moment in this case,and the most out of character moment for Maya in general. The way they just kinda accepted it even though she assaulted Nick was especially jarring.


So that moment is extremely out of character, but her doing the exact same thing in 3-2 is not?
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Truth be told,I completely forgot about that. But yes,that also was really weird. I think this one stuck in my head more because THEY ACTUALLY ANIMATED IT. That's kinda crazier.
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