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My theory is that Edgeworth's mother is, in actual fact, Misty Fey.
Physical resemblance aside, I believe an argument can be made. Whether or not Edgey was an illegitimate child is up to debate, but it was possible for Gregory to have some sort of relationship with Misty. Given that the Kurain Channelling Technique is an ability present only in Fey women and the lack of room for men in the family's tradition, it's not unlikely that Gregory left Misty and took Miles with him away from Kurain, especially if he knew what happened with Morgan's husband.
The possibility that Gregory and Misty had some sort of connection is made more likely when we consider Misty's involvement in DL-6. Having a spirit medium aide a murder investigation was a first, and it carried with it the enormous risk of ruining the reputation of both the police department and the Kurain Channelling Technique. What reason could Misty have to get involved if she wasn't somehow connected to the case (ie the victim)?
My final point is on the Magatama.
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In all of its mystical coolness, the Magatama can somehow 'sense' its owner. Maya first owned it, but since it wasn't charged it didn't react to her. Pearl charged it and gave it to Phoenix, so he became the Magatama's 'owner' and was able to use its power. In 3-5, Phoenix gave it to Edgeworth, making Edgeworth the 'owner' and he was able to use it until he returned it.
That being said, my old Magatama theory could still hold: To be the Magatama's 'owner' one must either believe in the Kurain Channelling Technique or be of Fey blood. Edgeworth clearly does not meet the first requirement, so if we pretend enough, he must meet the second.
That being said, my old Magatama theory could still hold: To be the Magatama's 'owner' one must either believe in the Kurain Channelling Technique or be of Fey blood. Edgeworth clearly does not meet the first requirement, so if we pretend enough, he must meet the second.
This, of course, destroys any possible relationships between Edgeworth and any of the Feys (and makes my old signature 10x more disturbing). It's likely that Maya wouldn't know that she's related to Edgeworth given the age difference, but one of the snags in my theory is that Mia probably would have known that she had a brother, but failed to recognize him or even his name in 3-4. Mia's three years Edgeworth's elder, and if we hold that Gregory spirited Miles away after Morgan's husband left Kurain, Miles would have been around three and Mia six when he left. This is simply playing devil's advocate of course: It's entirely possible that Miles was taken from Kurain before the incident with Morgan's husband, when Mia was at an age young enough not to remember him, or to interpret any memories of him as merely being a childhood playmate.
This is just a theory, but you never know.
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As for the Psycho-Locks- Phoenix might have been able to see them even when his magatama was missing because Maya might have been around. As for Edgeworth: He had the actual Magatama with him. Whose to say that anyone, Phoenix or not, can see Psycho-Locks if they have a Magatama on them.
Nevertheless a good theory. I definitely thought of the idea of Misty being Edgey's mom before ;3
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Whoa, never really thought about that but... there is a lot of evidence to back that theory up maybe we'll find an older Edgey in GS5 and he'll tell Polly who his real mom is
Why would Edgey tell Polly about his mom when he probably doesn't even /know/ Polly D:? Phoenix or maybe a member of the Fey family (although Phoenix is a better bet) would get this information but I don't think Edgey would have a good reason to tell this to anyone unless there's a murder case or something.
Plus Edgeworth probably doesn't even know much about his mother; according to the game he was raised in a single family by his father. We don't know if the mom is dead or not.
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This has been done before here. It's an interesting theory, but if it were actually true, I'd imagine it would have been revealed some time in the first three games. There wouldn't be much point in keeping it a secret.
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Well, one of the points raised above was Edgeworth and Gregory going away from Kurain. Not specified when, it could have been quite early, when Edgeworth was a mere baby, even. If that was the case, wouldn't it be also fair for her not to have a picture of him? Since that picture of her two daughters was a picture of them while they were still growing up. If Edgeworth had been taken beforehand, it would just be logical for her not to have a picture of him at all.
And then the question of, "Even if Edgeworth was with Gregory, wouldn't she have something like an obligatory picture?". In a sense, if it were normal circumstance, probably so. But with this theory, it somewhat sounds as if Gregory fled Kurain with Edgeworth. If this was the case, then it sounds a bit like Gregory would rather hide his son from the mother and vice-versa. I don't think he'd willingly hand her a picture of his son at age 6 or something to Misty if and when she came to their doorstep.
But then again, there is no solid fact to back this up in the game. As for the Capcom would have no reason to hide this, you never know. Hahaha.
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Well, one of the points raised above was Edgeworth and Gregory going away from Kurain. Not specified when, it could have been quite early, when Edgeworth was a mere baby, even. If that was the case, wouldn't it be also fair for her not to have a picture of him? Since that picture of her two daughters was a picture of them while they were still growing up. If Edgeworth had been taken beforehand, it would just be logical for her not to have a picture of him at all.
And then the question of, "Even if Edgeworth was with Gregory, wouldn't she have something like an obligatory picture?". In a sense, if it were normal circumstance, probably so. But with this theory, it somewhat sounds as if Gregory fled Kurain with Edgeworth. If this was the case, then it sounds a bit like Gregory would rather hide his son from the mother and vice-versa. I don't think he'd willingly hand her a picture of his son at age 6 or something to Misty if and when she came to their doorstep.
But then again, there is no solid fact to back this up in the game. As for the Capcom would have no reason to hide this, you never know. Hahaha.
And then the question of, "Even if Edgeworth was with Gregory, wouldn't she have something like an obligatory picture?". In a sense, if it were normal circumstance, probably so. But with this theory, it somewhat sounds as if Gregory fled Kurain with Edgeworth. If this was the case, then it sounds a bit like Gregory would rather hide his son from the mother and vice-versa. I don't think he'd willingly hand her a picture of his son at age 6 or something to Misty if and when she came to their doorstep.
But then again, there is no solid fact to back this up in the game. As for the Capcom would have no reason to hide this, you never know. Hahaha.
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Mia_Fey wrote:
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True, but taking into consideration Kurain's location and social status, it's not exactly the most urban place you can go to. Kurain is a very rural area, and given their tradition, I would assume instead of a doctor traveling from the city to Kurain taking more than an hour's worth of train ride, a midwife from Kurain would do. Not only would it waste less time, but why opt for a doctor when you have a trained Kurain midwife at hand? Now, the main point of this is when you're born in the city, everyone has a camera. If something as important as birth were to happen, of course your parents and relatives would take a snapshot while you were in the arms of your mother. But Gyakuten Saiban takes ruralism to an extreme, making Kurain, from which I can see, a village wherein only a few people know or even have access to technology.
If it were a regular scenario in real life, you'd have your aunt, uncle, grandmother, grandfather, etc. be at your waiting room, ready to snap photos at the new addition to the family, but in this case, we'd have a few Feys waiting for Misty's son, no camera in hand, simply because Kurain is Kurain.
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Who's to say that she didn't get that camera after Miles was taken away from Kurain?
Just as I said, this theory's a very wobbly subject with most of it depending on "what ifs" because we have no solid evidence to back it up.
Also, I think you misunderstood what I meant about Gregory hiding his son from the mother. I didn't mean Gregory himself hid from the world, per say. If Misty came to the Edgeworth household, demanding for at least a bit of time with her son, wouldn't it be possible he just turned her away and simply said Miles wasn't home? Rather far-fetched given Gregory's attitude but with the very little detail we know about him, you just never know xD
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I searched this before posting, honest. I couldn't find any repeats. I'll be more careful next time.Mia, I do concede that this is all just a theory. Capcom probably never came up for a mother for Edgeworth because she would never fit into the story, so just left it up to the fan's imaginations. The "Misty is Edgey's mom" theory is entirely based on conjecture, but it does seem to fit the bill.
Your argument for it not being possible seems to be mainly based on the fact that mini-Miles wasn't present in her photograph. The games don't give us a very good indication of Misty's personality; it isn't that far-fetched that she had some sort of resentment toward Gregory and Miles, or that she just plain didn't care about him. Or simply that she wasn't a creepy stalker who followed Miles and co around taking pictures.
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This never actually occured to me, but it seems plausible.
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I don't remember all the details, to the case, so it could have been explained, and I must have forgotten.
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I don't remember all the details, to the case, so it could have been explained, and I must have forgotten.
Edgey was duped into coming home by Larry, who was like "OMFG, Edgey! Nick's on his deathbed! Come quick!" It had nothing to do with Misty being his mom, and, keeping with the theory, he probably didn't know that she was his mother anyway.Spoiler: 3-5
And just to append to what I said in my last post:
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The games don't give us a very good indication of Misty's personality; it isn't that far-fetched that she had some sort of resentment toward Gregory and Miles, or that she just plain didn't care about him. Or simply that she wasn't a creepy stalker who followed Miles and co around taking pictures. Or she simply could have respected Gregory's decision to leave Kurain and not further expose Miles to the power complex of the Fey family (and by extension, the stigma of being born male), and decided that it was best if she just wasn't a part of his life.
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2. Let's pretend for a moment that he is her son. Ok, if they ran away, wouldn't you think the village would banish them? Don't you think they'd try to forget about those two? This could explain the no photo
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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
1. DL-6 happened AFTER Miles was born. Misty would have probably have taken him in at some point, if she was Mommy
Misty was busy fleeing in shame after DL-6. The simple explanation is that her not adopting Miles is no different from her not staying at Kurain to raise Mia and Maya. Like I said before, for one reason or another she probably didn't want Miles in her life (or vice versa).
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Marshmello wrote:
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1. DL-6 happened AFTER Miles was born. Misty would have probably have taken him in at some point, if she was Mommy
Misty was busy fleeing in shame after DL-6. The simple explanation is that her not adopting Miles is no different from her not staying at Kurain to raise Mia and Maya. Like I said before, for one reason or another she probably didn't want Miles in her life (or vice versa).
However, there was always the choice of Morgan.
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In short: Morgan doesn't care about /anyone/ but Pearl, and that is that. Albeit Pearl was only born 8 years after DL-6 that doesn't mean Morgan has any reason to take in Edgeworth. And don't compare this to Maya when she left in 1-4 and went home to Kurain where she was accepted. She's the future leader of Kurain so of course Morgan (as a member of the branch family) is pretty much forced/obligated to take care of her.
If Edgeworth was born a Fey then he could never be the leader because Fey men are not born with spiritual powers.
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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
Marshmello wrote:
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1. DL-6 happened AFTER Miles was born. Misty would have probably have taken him in at some point, if she was Mommy
Misty was busy fleeing in shame after DL-6. The simple explanation is that her not adopting Miles is no different from her not staying at Kurain to raise Mia and Maya. Like I said before, for one reason or another she probably didn't want Miles in her life (or vice versa).
However, there was always the choice of Morgan.
Listen to the words you just uttered... I believe a few posts above stated that Gregory found out about Morgan's husband and his intentions. This is probably why he did it, he didn't want Miles to be corrupted or such.
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Marshmello wrote:
Misty was busy fleeing in shame after DL-6. The simple explanation is that her not adopting Miles is no different from her not staying at Kurain to raise Mia and Maya. Like I said before, for one reason or another she probably didn't want Miles in her life (or vice versa).
Phoenix_Apollo: "There was always Morgan"
Listen to the words you just uttered... I believe a few posts above stated that Gregory found out about Morgan's husband and his intentions. This is probably why he did it, he didn't want Miles to be corrupted or such.
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Anyways, good theory.
Although how can Mia and Pearl have brown hair if both of the parents had black hair. The dominant gene would be black hair.
Only contradiction I can find.
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Although how can Mia and Pearl have brown hair if both of the parents had black hair? The dominant gene would be black hair.
Only contradiction I can find.
Only contradiction I can find.
They're called recessive genes. If black hair was the dominant gene, then both Misty and Gregory could have had a recessive gene for brown hair. If Mia and Maya both got all brown haired genes, they would have had brown hair. Simple, ja?
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That 10ish hour car drive from San Fransisco to home really messed me up.
Which also reminds me, Pearl was never with Greg to begin with <.<
But wouldn't Misty, Mia, and Maya have the male's last name, Edgeworth?
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Now, to show you how they wouldn't all be Edgeworths. My mother didn't take my father's last name when she married. Now, since I'm my father's daughter, of course I took his name. But think. Once Gregory left, do you think Misty would have wanted her daughters to keep his name? No. It would lead back to Gregory, and Misty probably either didn't want him anymore or respected his wishes.
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Marshmello wrote:
That's my favorite theory thus far.
Actually, joking aside, I do see some physical resemblance between Misty Fey and Miles Edgeworth, if only because they have similar hair color. However, I cannot feasibly imagine Misty actually being Edgeworth's mother, if only because of all the complications it would entail. That's a bit contradictory, though, considering Phoenix Wright is loaded with improbabilities and complicated plots.
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But regardless, I have to admit that you've made some really, really good points. And I also have to admit that I've been really curious about what happened to Edgeworth's mother, but I always assumed that she had passed away either during or shortly after Edgeworth's birth. The fun thing about speculation is that whenever there's a loose end, you can always try to tie it back up again.
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When Edgey was trapped in the elevator, he mentioned he had amnesia. He could have forgotten about Misty and friends there along with Greg.
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I remember that before I played Apollo Justice all the way through, I had this dream where I imagined that Apollo and Miles were cousins
I explained it by thinking that Apollo's father was brothers with Miles's mother.Wait, here's another piece of "evidence": Miles's name starts with an 'M'! It seemed traditional for all Fey members (except Pearl... and others... dang) to have their names start with 'M', especially Misty's kids; Maya and Mia. What if...!?
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Everybody else (Morgan, Mia, Misty, Maya, and maybe Miles) has an M.
M ish teh dominant gene.
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The only Fey members I know who don't start with an M are Pearl and Ami. (And maybe Greg)
Everybody else (Morgan, Mia, Misty, Maya, and maybe Miles) has an M.
M ish teh dominant gene.
Everybody else (Morgan, Mia, Misty, Maya, and maybe Miles) has an M.
M ish teh dominant gene.
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It's indeed a very interesting theory. I doubt Capcom would have waited to tell us this, though, if it's true. So while it's most likely not canon, it would make a very interesting side story...
I remember that before I played Apollo Justice all the way through, I had this dream where I imagined that Apollo and Miles were cousins I explained it by thinking that Apollo's father was brothers with Miles's mother.
Wait, here's another piece of "evidence": Miles's name starts with an 'M'! It seemed traditional for all Fey members (except Pearl... and others... dang) to have their names start with 'M', especially Misty's kids; Maya and Mia. What if...!?
I remember that before I played Apollo Justice all the way through, I had this dream where I imagined that Apollo and Miles were cousins
I explained it by thinking that Apollo's father was brothers with Miles's mother.Wait, here's another piece of "evidence": Miles's name starts with an 'M'! It seemed traditional for all Fey members (except Pearl... and others... dang) to have their names start with 'M', especially Misty's kids; Maya and Mia. What if...!?
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And another comment on those who question why, if she was his mother, Misty didn't take Miles after Greg's death - not only was Misty pretty much the laughingstock of the trial, but I tend to doubt VK would have let her. He wanted Miles after all as part of his plan, and seeing as he was in a very powerful position he could have overriden any of her attempts to take him.
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MikeMeekins wrote:
Although how can Mia and Pearl have brown hair if both of the parents had black hair. The dominant gene would be black hair.
Only contradiction I can find.
Only contradiction I can find.
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But wouldn't Misty, Mia, and Maya have the male's last name, Edgeworth?
In the first post I mentioned briefly that it's in the air whether or not Miles was an illegitimate child. Misty and Gregory might not have been married, and Gregory might not have been the father of both Mia and Maya.
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That's my favorite theory thus far.
Mine too
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Actually, joking aside, I do see some physical resemblance between Misty Fey and Miles Edgeworth, if only because they have similar hair color.
That was one of the obstacles I met when I first formulated this theory a while ago. Just looking at their profile pictures, it's really difficult to imagine Edgey not budding from Gregory, because they look so damn similar. And you can't compare the pictures of Edgeworth and Misty without going, "Oh, it's the hair." I found a few other physical similarities, but since I'm lazy, I'll just post a side-by-side comparison using some of the pictures I worked with:
Spoiler: Edgeworth-Fey comparison (3-5 spoilers)
The main site is weird and tends to make hotlinked images disappear, but I can't find many good ones on Photobucket. I'll keep looking, in case some of these images don't work.
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Here's something possible.
When Edgey was trapped in the elevator, he mentioned he had amnesia. He could have forgotten about Misty and friends there along with Greg.
When Edgey was trapped in the elevator, he mentioned he had amnesia. He could have forgotten about Misty and friends there along with Greg.
Great observation! I'd totally forgotten about that, but it does give us more leeway.Caelestis wrote:
Wait, here's another piece of "evidence": Miles's name starts with an 'M'! It seemed traditional for all Fey members (except Pearl... and others... dang) to have their names start with 'M', especially Misty's kids; Maya and Mia. What if...!?
I was originally going to put this with the evidence in the OP, but I couldn't decide if it was relevant or not.
If we consider Misty's naming convention, Mia (Me-yuh) and Maya (My-yuh) sound similar. Edgeworth being older than Maya, he would have been named before Maya and perhaps used her naming convention, being that his first name is Miles (My-yuhls). At a stretch, Miles = Maya.
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And another comment on those who question why, if she was his mother, Misty didn't take Miles after Greg's death - not only was Misty pretty much the laughingstock of the trial, but I tend to doubt VK would have let her. He wanted Miles after all as part of his plan, and seeing as he was in a very powerful position he could have overriden any of her attempts to take him.
I agree. Misty's pretty cool, but she could never stand up to von Karma. She would get taser'd if she tried to stop him.
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and looked up to 
. Why, IDK. Wouldn't little
be smart enough to see what was going on? I'm surprised it didn't seem all that suspicious to him that wanted so bad. Or maybe not, since at that time the whole DL-6 event was shrouded in mystery. He didn't know what truely went on himself until that fateful trial. I like to confuse myself, if you can't tell already.And just curious - what caused
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What I find interesting, lol is that he got pretty tight with and looked up to .
Why, IDK. Wouldn't little be smart enough to see what was going on? I'm surprised it didn't seem all that suspicious to him that wanted so bad.
and looked up to . Why, IDK. Wouldn't little
be smart enough to see what was going on? I'm surprised it didn't seem all that suspicious to him that wanted so bad. You sort of answered your own question. Miles looked up to von Karma, as a teacher and a mentor, and apparently thought very highly of him. He was also about 10 when von Karma 'adopted' him, which is still quite an impressionable age. Note how in 1-4 Edgeworth spoke of Karma's tactics and how ruthless he was without outrightly disapproving of his mentor's behaviour.
And just to make this relevant to the thread: Perhaps the reason 'Misty the Spy' didn't adopt Miles after DL-6 was because she saw how much awe von Karma inspired in her son, and assumed that he would be in good hands.
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And just to make this relevant to the thread: Perhaps the reason 'Misty the Spy' didn't adopt Miles after DL-6 was because she saw how much awe von Karma inspired in her son, and assumed that he would be in good hands.
But surely Misty had heard from Greg about the rumors surrounding VK's perfect record? Even without knowing that VK was a murderer, I'm not sure if I'd want him raising my son. Especially if it was well-known how he felt about defense attorneys...
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