Where do you think Borginia is?

Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:24 am

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What is stated for certain is that Borginia is in Northern Europe. Depending on your definition, that can affect what areas you would consider.

Other, more ambiguous hints include the Borginian Newspaper (below), which contains some Cyrillic letters, and a comment on a "bloc" made by a witness in Turnabout Serenade (I believe it was Daryan Crescend). Also, the name alone sounds Slavic to me. Though not definitive proof, it implies that Borginia was once part of the Soviet Union or Comecon.

Now, since none of Scandinavia was part of the Soviet Union, that rules out Norway, Finland, and Sweden for possible areas if the hints are to be believed. With that in mind, shown below is the conclusion I reached for potential locations:

The red area comprises where I believe Borginia is most likely to be--I don't believe Borginia would contain ALL of that area, though; just a small section of it.

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Re: Where do you think Borginia is?

Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:31 am

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This is good observation. I originally though Borginia was made-up... and I still kinda do believe that, but it seems that you may have shaded some light that Borginia may have once existed...

Maybe if we one day get enough information about the origins of Borginia, someone could write an essay about it.... it would be nice to see another essay added to the site. :/ Just saying.

Re: Where do you think Borginia is?

Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:33 am

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It still could be. Looking into it this far is more out of curiousity, methinks. "If it existed, where would it be?"

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Re: Where do you think Borginia is?

Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:34 am

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I've actually been thinking about including Borginia's origins in the fan fiction I'm working on.

Again, my conclusion assumes those hints to be accurate. If they are indeed false, then there are new possibilities as to Borginia's location (Scandinavia).

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Re: Where do you think Borginia is?

Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:37 am

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...That's quite a bit of thought for a fanfic. But I'm not so great at writing them, so I don't really know what people do for them.

Nonetheless, you've put up a good argument as to its potential location. I'm sold on it. :will:

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Re: Where do you think Borginia is?

Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:41 am

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KyteZisa wrote:

Nonetheless, you've put up a good argument as to its potential location. I'm sold on it. :will:

So do I, so do I.

I just had thoughts about showing this thread to this forum where a lot of English-speaking Scandinavians hang out, and possibly try to find more of a connection of Borginia's origins. But I shot down the idea. :P

Re: Where do you think Borginia is?

Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:58 am

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This is like Culuruma in Trauma Center. XD I like your assessment of the hints, and I cracked up when I found out that Borginia was also in Dino Crisis (another Capcom game, if you didn't know).

Re: Where do you think Borginia is?

Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:05 am

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Whaa?! How about that...

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Re: Where do you think Borginia is?

Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:05 pm

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I wouldn't call that cyrillic. It's more like inverted cyrillic-like symbols written right to left, and isn't really conclusive. If you take other facts about Borginia into account, it seems that the country is quite rich, once tried to take over the world, has extremely strict laws and regulations, and seems to have quite unique fauna. Which leaves out most northern european countries...

Borginia could be Norway, Latvia, Finland,Iceland... Whatever... It's not a real country, and is not made to represent anything. It's just a stereotype for japanese people. "Northern Europe is so mysterious and people there are blond and beautiful. Let's write about that!" There's no more logic to it that that.

Re: Where do you think Borginia is?

Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:53 pm

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Yeah...the Borginian alphabet doesn't really look like it is pure Cyrillic, but because of the similarities I can see the Cyrillic influence. Also, based on Lamiroir's dress, and Machi's name, there seems to be an Eastern European influence there. So I would assume that Borginia is located in Eastern Europe, but closer to Bulgaria and Romania, I would say. There seems to be a bit more of a gypsy influence than if it was located near Russia and Scandinavia.

Re: Where do you think Borginia is?

Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:01 am

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Borginia's time zone is 9 hours ahead of Los Angeles (as stated in AAI Case 2), so

Spoiler: AAI Case 2

the idea that Borginia is to the west of the Baltic States is somewhat flimsy. We can't prove that Daylight Savings Time will cease to exist in Europe, but we do know that they have this right now as well as in America, so that argument is moot until further consequences.

With these items in play, I can safely assume that the country cannot change its time zone with the opening post's map, as it is alreay two hours ahead of the other. I propose that this country is best between the south of Lithuania and the north of Kaliningrad, as it should fit in with these extra requirements.

Re: Where do you think Borginia is?

Fri Mar 19, 2010 3:55 am

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Kits U. wrote:

:holdit:

Borginia's time zone is 9 hours ahead of Los Angeles (as stated in AAI Case 2), so

Spoiler: AAI Case 2

the idea that Borginia is to the west of the Baltic States is somewhat flimsy. We can't prove that Daylight Savings Time will cease to exist in Europe, but we do know that they have this right now as well as in America, so that argument is moot until further consequences.

With these items in play, I can safely assume that the country cannot change its time zone with the opening post's map, as it is alreay two hours ahead of the other. I propose that this country is best between the south of Lithuania and the north of Kaliningrad, as it should fit in with these extra requirements.

If you place it near Romania or Bulgaria, does it not still fall under the same time zone? Provided, of course, that it is placed on the east of these countries?

Re: Where do you think Borginia is?

Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:13 pm

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Shalashaskka wrote:

Kits U. wrote:

:holdit:

Borginia's time zone is 9 hours ahead of Los Angeles (as stated in AAI Case 2), so

Spoiler: AAI Case 2

the idea that Borginia is to the west of the Baltic States is somewhat flimsy. We can't prove that Daylight Savings Time will cease to exist in Europe, but we do know that they have this right now as well as in America, so that argument is moot until further consequences.

With these items in play, I can safely assume that the country cannot change its time zone with the opening post's map, as it is alreay two hours ahead of the other. I propose that this country is best between the south of Lithuania and the north of Kaliningrad, as it should fit in with these extra requirements.

If you place it near Romania or Bulgaria, does it not still fall under the same time zone? Provided, of course, that it is placed on the east of these countries?

Your logic is... interesting, to say the least. You are saying that when Borginia is placed on the east of one/both of the country's borders, they should be in the same time zone as my location, yes?

I'm afraid this cannot be done, as you would actually be farther from the time zone, or worse in the Black Sea.

Now, I'm being kind enough to say that you propbably meant something the exact opposite of what you intended, mainly that Borginia is to the west of those countries. Understandable to say the least. You have proven that place has (a) the requirements on where the time zone would be, and (b) it is close between two countries that have the Cyrillic language. However, you still missed an important fact about Borginia: It is in Northern Europe. Romania and Bulgaria is in Southeastern Europe. If we want to stay close to the border of the countries, moving west (or even north in that matter) wouldn't change that this isn't in Northern Europe.

I congratulate you with your argument, but unfortunately with the right facts in place, I'm afraid that it isn't sound. Your words can be true, but the argument is invalid. Think more carefully about what you are saying, as there can be contradictions or even facts that we are unaware of right now.

Re: Where do you think Borginia is?

Mon May 10, 2010 11:41 am

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Borginia's time zone is 9 hours ahead of Los Angeles

I wonder, is it ahead Los Angeles, in reality? The original location where events took place was non other than Tokyo, I believe. Which would make it 9 hours ahead Tokyo. I think. :sadshoe:

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Re: Where do you think Borginia is?

Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:42 am

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that would place it in the americas.

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Re: Where do you think Borginia is?

Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:19 pm

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That surely seems not as interesting as what all of you suggested.
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Re: Where do you think Borginia is?

Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:56 pm

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That's not far from Ukraine, where I live.

I think that all describings put the unexistent country on the shore of Baltic sea, where Latvia or Estonia are. Though those countries use latin script, and it differs in traditions, it seems. Because LaBlanc's art has no similarity to that region's culture.

I think we can blame two facts: Borginia is unexistent, and unaccurasy of hints.
There're no such countries as Zheng Fa, Allehbast, Cohdophia or Babahl either, if someone didn't know.

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Re: Where do you think Borginia is?

Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:59 pm

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Somewhere in France, anything in France in weird... :odoroki:

Re: Where do you think Borginia is?

Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:36 pm

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I thought it was Capcom's a combination of Romania and Bulgaria, so if Borginia did exist it would be around there.

Re: Where do you think Borginia is?

Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:28 am

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If we go back to the Borginian newspaper, in addition to Cyrillic-looking letters, I also see some Hindi, Thai, and Hebrew letters. The text, as a whole, seems to resemble the Aramaic script to me.

"Lamiroir" resembles the "La miroir," which is French for "the mirror".... yet it is supposed to mean "Siren," which kind of tells me that French and Borginian are not related, or at least are influenced by different neighboring languages...

I would say that Borginia probably lies directly east of Poland, bordering Poland, Russia (via Kaliningrad), Lithuania, Belarus, and Ukraine.