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How could Kristoph Gavin, had a black psyche-lock, why can't Phoenix break that lock, is it because of him doesnt have enough evidence to confront him, or is Gavin really evil?
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Well, my theory is that Gavin is either
A:Pure evil, or
B:Completely mad. As in crazy. Nutty as a fruit cake. You get the idea. And I think that them being black is a nice symbol, as a lot of the characters reference "An impenetrable darkness."
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Actually I'm not sure if Phoenix could break them or not.
I recall him saying something like "Black Psyche Locks??! Can I even break these?" but I don't recall him getting the chance to try since he leaves immediately after the conversation, so they might be just as breakable as the next.
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Well, my theory is that Gavin is either
A:Pure evil, or
B:Completely mad. As in crazy. Nutty as a fruit cake. You get the idea. And I think that them being black is a nice symbol, as a lot of the characters reference "An impenetrable darkness."


He was probably both A and B. I mean the guy manipulated his own brother just on get revenge on Phoenix and Zak! Then he kills Zak, and the person who unwillingly helped him get his revenge! As for the locks, I'm pretty sure, he wouldn't tell phoenix anything. He'd probably do an Adrian and plead the fifth.
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In my opinion, I think that Kristoph probably had a crappy childhood, leading him to end up like this, but anyways.

I think that the black psyche locks show a secret that's really -from the fiery pits of hell- evil.
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But even the most EVIL-est of all

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Dahlia Hawthorne has only red psyche-lock
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What makes me wonder is that Dahlia, who did deeds just as bad as Krissie, didn't have those black locks...


Wait, does Dahlia ever have Pysche Locks in the first place...?
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I still think it has something to do with the reason he hated Phoenix and Zak so much. A DEEP dark secret he's hiding.
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What makes me wonder is that Dahlia, who did deeds just as bad as Krissie, didn't have those black locks...


Wait, does Dahlia ever have Pysche Locks in the first place...?


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When she's in Iris' body, yes.


My theory is that they're Psycho Locks. Psycho Locks for Psycho People.
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I... think that the black psyche locks looks kind of cool...

anyways, yeah. Or maybe they were to show that Kristoph had some form of mental illness?
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I think it's just to show that Kristoph was holding onto the secret so tightly that nothing Phoenix could have done would break those locks (possibly because the secret had to do with Phoenix himself?) His will power is just that great! I don't think the secret itself was evil or extraordinary, just that the importance Kristoph placed on it was that strong.
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Ok! Time to throw my own theaory.
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maybe the psyche lock color has something to do with the heart/soul of a person?
C'mon...Think it like this...

Everone that has even some goodness in them should have a red lock.
I mean...

And we thnik carefully 'bout the bad guys...
Ini - Well...Like seen in the end, she wasn't totally evil.
Acro - Need to say more?
Matt - ...Well...Well...Okay...1-2 for me, but still...Maybe...!...Maybe he wasn't all that evil. I mean...She had a relationship with Celeste...'ight? Even he couldn't be TOTALLY evil, though he is pretty much...
Dahlia - ...Was there any psyche locks for her?
Tigre - He is just selfish...And a bit jerk, but nothing compared to Krissy
Krissy - Tö mäns ool piur ivull! Muf... :3

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The mans all pure evil! *and a random cute voice with a smile in the end :knock-knock: *

See? My theory could have something in it... :yuusaku:
Though...I confess I like the idea by croik...
But...There is flaw in it...The whole Phoenix Iris thing.

But I like it.


Maybe they should have just used the normal psyche locks and let Phoenix say his line:
- "Can I even break these?" and that's it... It would have made my life MUCH easier... :nick:
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I reckon the developers wanted to single out kristoph to be different from everyone else.
Back on the game boy games, they were too lazy to recolour the psyche lock.
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because unlike dahlia, kristoph is smart. gant probably has black ones too.
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But even the most EVIL-est of all

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Dahlia Hawthorne has only red psyche-lock

maybe is kristoph the most evil and not dahlia. i mean kristoph did much more.
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phoenixwrightmaster wrote:
D_Albertz wrote:
But even the most EVIL-est of all

SPOILER:
Dahlia Hawthorne has only red psyche-lock

maybe is kristoph the most evil and not dahlia. i mean kristoph did much more.


Dahlia killed from beyond the grave or at least attempted to, I'd like to see Kristoph pull that off
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Herr Blondie wrote:
phoenixwrightmaster wrote:
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But even the most EVIL-est of all

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Dahlia Hawthorne has only red psyche-lock

maybe is kristoph the most evil and not dahlia. i mean kristoph did much more.


Dahlia killed from beyond the grave or at least attempted to, I'd like to see Kristoph pull that off

well he murdered from jail, he could probably do it from beyond the grave too.
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My take on the locks is that they represent something that might be covered in a later game. Convenient game mechanics aside, Phoenix says something interesting about them, about how they were "Dark...cold...[and] full of despair". It seems like a pretty odd way to describe Kristoph's motive behind killing Zak if you ask me, but maybe I'm just reading into it too much...
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"Dark... Cold... Full of despair..."

Since Kristoph doesn't say anything else on the matter, Phoenix's comment is really all we have to go on--though whether his conclusion from the locks is accurate or not is debatable. Perhaps it was a secret that Kristoph himself was horrified by?
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Mureth wrote:
Wait, does Dahlia ever have Pysche Locks in the first place...?


Dahlia-Iris has 3 locks, I believe.
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I think the reason that Dahlia had only red locks was because she really had nothing to hide, her reputation was her evilness. She was hiding something as Iris not as Dahlia... I'm sure if we were to ask Dahlia something serious about her past that she wanted to hide too we'd get a black psyche lock.

But Kristoph had something to hide, he wanted to keep his own reputations and thus had many secrets, unlike Dahlia. We asked Kristoph something directly about his past that he wanted to keep hidden, thus the black psyche lock.

And... I really like that quote... :) (The Dark... Cold... Full of Despair... one)
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maybe kristoph hurt Klavier when they were kids? maybe he tried to kill him, like with a pillow when he was a kid because he was mad that he wasn't getting enough attention from his parents?

it seems that Krissy and Klavi have a pretty tight bond, so maybe that secret would haunt him?
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If we're going for an emotional take on the psych-locks I'd say that sure a strong emotional front can be a cause for the psych-locks to change colour.

For Dahlia, she showed nearly no remorse or any kind of emotion bar rage and anger and hatred, I'd say red being commonly associated with rage and anger fuelled the colour of the psych-locks.

That said I wouldn't be surprised if the black psych locks did have something to do with a deep inner turmoil in Kristoph....but that might be wishful thinking cause it allows him to come back an have the locks explored.
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I think the "full of despair" part comes from the fact that he, much like Dahlia, was paranoid that people would find out about the forgery since his "trap" failed due to Vera putting the stamp on a frame and Zak disappearing.
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I think he was paranoid enough to kill Vera, but honestly I think he was always insane in the back of his brain, despite the fact that he was smart. And I know that the whole "Can I break these?" and the despair and stuff was covered...but Phoenix seems to have no apparent knowlledge of them. Quite frankly I think we'll find out with the next Apollo Justice.
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I do also hope it's not the last thing we see or know from Kristoph. TBH I always wonder how Apollo, a rookie, ended up working with the best defense lawyer there was. A flashback case controlling Kristoph would be epic.
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I'm posting my opinion without reading all the posts, so this may have been said already.

When I was playing through AJ my initial reaction was that it was because he was evil.

Then I thought maybe it was just that he couldn't be convinced because of Phoenix's lack of sufficient evidence. Which, if you recall, carried through to the very end. If it wasn't that there was a jury that could put common sense into the mix, Kristoph would have gotten off clean. For the Misham case anyway.

But now, I'm going with my initial reaction. The Magatama reads the heart and exposes its secrets. But supposing there was a heart so dark, so tainted that even the Magatama cannot pierce its blackness, wouldn't the Psyche-Locks be black? I think that makes more sense. The Magatama wasn't created to be used as an police work tool. Phoenix just uses it that way.
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My only question is: Why 5? If they're unbreakable surely one would suffice.

Hmm... I have a theory...

Umm... nevermind. :psycho-lock:
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My only question is: Why 5? If they're unbreakable surely one would suffice.

Hmm... I have a theory...

A valid point. And share your theory. :grey think:
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As for the Dahlia/Kristoph Pyche Locks,

Dahlia's locks were about something not that big, while Krstoph's is about the entire murder in general.
That's why they're black compared to Dahlia?
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As for the Dahlia/Kristoph Pyche Locks,

Dahlia's locks were about something not that big, while Krstoph's is about the entire murder in general.
That's why they're black compared to Dahlia?

I thought the same thing but forgot to say it. :knock-knock:
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My only question is: Why 5? If they're unbreakable surely one would suffice.

Hmm... I have a theory...

A valid point. And share your theory. :grey think:

They break using a different method to the others. They're for secrets they only disclose to people they trust. As we know, Kristoph despised Phoenix, hence the quintet of black locks.
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GigaHand wrote:
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GigaHand wrote:
My only question is: Why 5? If they're unbreakable surely one would suffice.

Hmm... I have a theory...

A valid point. And share your theory. :grey think:

They break using a different method to the others. They're for secrets they only disclose to people they trust. As we know, Kristoph despised Phoenix, hence the quintet of black locks.

Maybe. Is till think my "black heart" theory makes the most sense. But it could be that the stronger the hate, the more locks there are.
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I always thought the black psyche-locks stood for his poor motives for doing what he did. The scary thing is that he doesn't even have a deep secret like some of the other killers.
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Spoiler: My theory
He has one major motive. If Nick figured out that motive, Kristoph could be found guilty of lots of other crimes.

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well he murdered from jail, he could probably do it from beyond the grave too.

Yes, because the two are so similar. Oh except for the fact that in Jail the person is actually ALIVE.
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Here is an 'out there' idea. He is not in control of his own action AKA controlled by a ghost? or something else thus the psycholocks are not his own but this other entities but due to him not being the entity but just controlled by it they are beyond Phoenix to break because they are sealed off in the heart of something off-site, like a server of evil! Thus, ergo, Kristoph does not actually know the secrets, blah blah. It sounded ok when I was thinking but now it seems lame.

Ok, alternative, he was drunk out of his skull and does not really know the truth behind his actions.

The most likely is simply that they are just much deeper and held onto tighter than other peoples dirty washing.
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well he murdered from jail, he could probably do it from beyond the grave too.

Yes, because the two are so similar. Oh except for the fact that in Jail the person is actually ALIVE.

Yes. Alive, and incapable of doing pretty much anything that affects goings-on outside prison.
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Here is an 'out there' idea. He is not in control of his own action AKA controlled by a ghost? or something else thus the psycholocks are not his own but this other entities but due to him not being the entity but just controlled by it they are beyond Phoenix to break because they are sealed off in the heart of something off-site, like a server of evil!

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L_J wrote:
well he murdered from jail, he could probably do it from beyond the grave too.

Yes, because the two are so similar. Oh except for the fact that in Jail the person is actually ALIVE.

Yes. Alive, and incapable of doing pretty much anything that affects goings-on outside prison.

Well, technically,
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