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icer wrote:
Spoiler: 4-4
I don't think Zak believed Phoenix would adopt Trucy. I think he just abandoned her and didn't care. It's only because Phoenix is so excessively kind-hearted that he did so. Most people definitely would not.

And it's obvious he's totally ungrateful, 'thanking' Phoenix by trying to destroy his new career by again falsely framing him as a fraud. I don't think he cares about Trucy at all. He only gave her the rights out of spite so Valant wouldn't get them.


Spoiler: 4-1, 4-4
But he kept the pendant with Trucy's picture for all those years. :(

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I agree zak is a jerk for leaving his daugher with sumone he hardly knew and who he had just made lose his job, and the fact he had phoneix use flase evidence yet he knew wat was happening and I mean, after all those years, Phoenix did kind've ruin Zak's career (despite his innocence) (how is that true)
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Spoiler: 4-1, 4-4
But he kept the pendant with Trucy's picture for all those years. :(


Spoiler: The Same
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I still don't quite understand why Zak would cheat on a game of Poker to defeat Phoenix- his "friend". :Hoboright: Zak is whack >:O
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Zak: "I'm so glad that you've taken care of my daughter for me these past seven years. Here are the rights to a set of magic tricks handed to me by my mentor. Also, I need to go into hiding again, but before that I will ruin you by cheating to beat you in poker, and... uh, I guess that would kinda draw attention to myself and screw up my 'fade into obscurity' plan, and I'd be wrecking the income source for the guy who's taking care of my daughter, wouldn't I?"
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Bossmuff wrote:
fatalfeline wrote:
Spoiler: 4-1, 4-4
But he kept the pendant with Trucy's picture for all those years. :(


Spoiler: The Same
Because it looked good with his jacket and hat. :gant:


Yes!
Also, so he could suck up to kind hearted people to get what he wanted. "Oh no! My little daughter.. see here.. will STARVE!"

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and I mean, after all those years, Phoenix did kind've ruin Zak's career

Huh?
If you mean, he won the poker game, well I doubt it would have affected Zak's 'career' as it probably wasn't some official poker circuit game and stupid Zak demanded the game himself anyway.

I think he is jealous of Phoenix, too. He didn't value Trucy when he had her, saw her as worthless enough to just abandon, and then he sees that Phoenix is finding her valuable. If he'd lived, he probably would have attempted to sabotage their relationship as well as Phoenix's new 'career'.
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I think I recall something being said about how he wanted to beat
phoenix because he was abusing Trucy's power for a no-loss record.
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those comics were funny, especially when hes
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Greeny wrote:
I think I recall something being said about how he wanted to beat
phoenix because he was abusing Trucy's power for a no-loss record.


Yeah, never mind the fact that he too abused Trucy's talents to escape the courtroom, and then leave her behind.

And again, it was Zak who was the reason Phoenix lost his ideal career and forced him to get a deadbeat job like that. What an ass.
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fatalfeline wrote:
icer wrote:
Spoiler: 4-4
I don't think Zak believed Phoenix would adopt Trucy. I think he just abandoned her and didn't care. It's only because Phoenix is so excessively kind-hearted that he did so. Most people definitely would not.

And it's obvious he's totally ungrateful, 'thanking' Phoenix by trying to destroy his new career by again falsely framing him as a fraud. I don't think he cares about Trucy at all. He only gave her the rights out of spite so Valant wouldn't get them.


Spoiler: 4-1, 4-4
But he kept the pendant with Trucy's picture for all those years. :(


If a parent abused a child but kept a picture of them, would you say they loved them?
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I just got a horrible image of Zak punching Thalassa and/or Trucy.

lol domestic abuse >_>
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I just got a horrible image of Zak punching Thalassa and/or Trucy.

lol domestic abuse >_>


You say that like he didn't >_>
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No...no wonder Trucy was so willing with Nick for a daddy. ;~;
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No...no wonder Trucy was so willing with Nick for a daddy. ;~;


Why do you think Apollo got put up for adoption?
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I hope Apollo wasn't old enough to remember...
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I agree. Zak is a jerk. However...
Spoiler: whole game
He did have a reason for everything he did, obvious or not. As far as we know, Thalasa chose him over valant, for whatever reason. From Zak's actions, I think he wanted to remain friends with Valant, despite Thalasa coming between them. However, Valant became bitter 'cause of it. When Magnifi ran his (somewhat cruel) test, Zak did pick the right answer. Magnifi gave his performance rights to Zak. Magnifi shot himself, and Valant, probably still bitter at Zak about Thalasa and now faced with the short end of the stick, finds a way out: Framing Zak! At this point, Zak is still feeling sorry for Valant and trying to remain friends with him. Zak didn't want Valant to be limited by Magnifi's decision, so he planned to let the performance rights fade into the background. That's why he didn't give them to Phoenix. Zak judged people's ability to argue based on their ability to maintain a poker-face. He played Kristof and didn't trust his abilities. Kristof, who didn't trust his clients like Phoenix always did, plans to sucessfully defend the famous Zak Gramarye in court against his brother, wining him fame as a defense attorney. Now, fired, Kristof, decides to ruin Zak and Phoenix. When Phoenix presents the forged diary page, Zak pulls his disappearing stunt, in order to escape a guilty verdict and make it look like he was the one who killed Magnifi, not Valant. Once again, Zak is trying to get what is best for his friend, who lost to him in love. However, Zak has a daughter, Trucy. Without inheriting the performance rights from Zak, she would have no access to the rights. Zak appears again to take care of that little detail. Phoenix tells him that suspicision has switched back to Valant for the murder, and Zak does what proves his intentions: he writes a fake confession, believing Valant the killer, but wanting to protect his friend. But he also has kept tabs on Phoenix and knows of Trucy's power. He feels Phoenix has been using Trucy to cheat, and decides to crush the legend no matter what. But Zak can't beat Phoenix. He's already played against him, and he knows he will lose. So he cheats, in order to take down a cheater. But, the plan fails. Zak, frusturated with how things have gone (he just found out how his plan to protect Valant failed, how Thalasa had a son he didn't know about, and his plan to stop wright foiled), takes it out on Olga Orly. Phoenix, shocked goes to call the police. And then Kristof, he noticed Zak on his way out, takes care of a potential witness to the forgery. All that's left is the trial, a successful pinning of the crime on Orly will leave Kristof clean and coming out the winner.

However, I still really dispise Zak, despite all this!


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MoronSonOfBoron wrote:
I hope Apollo wasn't old enough to remember...


(sorta-serious answer)

He didn't get abused by Zak, when his dad supposedly died (you know what this series is like) his mom (Both of her names are hard to spell) gave him up because she didn't want him around the Gramararysomethingarears.
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EDIT: Now with 63% more spousal abuse!
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Spoiler: I'm going straight to hell for drawing this.
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MoronSonOfBoron wrote:
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I-I'm going to cry... Trucy!!!


Spoiler: Whole game
As for the topic at hand, was Zak a jerk? Yes. Still, there is no evidence that Zak abused Trucy physically, although you could reference his abandoning her as emotional abuse on some level. Trucy clearly has some abandonment issues thanks to Zak's actions (and probably her mother's disappearance). Still, she seems to love her father, no matter what he did, to the point that she desperately wants to follow in his footsteps. If we listen to the game, it was Trucy who put Zak's picture up in office. There has definitely been some damage done to poor Trucy emotionally, but from what we see in the game, I doubt that Zak ever physically abused her.

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MoronSonOfBoron wrote:
EDIT: Now with 63% more spousal abuse!
Spoiler: I'm going straight to hell for drawing this.
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Is it bad that I laughed?
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Oh gosh, I hope Zak and abuse don't become like Gant and rape. >_>
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MoronSonOfBoron wrote:
Oh gosh, I hope Zak and abuse don't become like Gant and rape. >_>


That's a brilliant idea! :gant:
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MoronSonOfBoron wrote:
Oh gosh, I hope Zak and abuse don't become like Gant and rape. >_>


That's a brilliant idea! :gant:


:gant-clap: I concur!
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MoronSonOfBoron wrote:
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That's terrible. I like it. :gant:

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Is it bad that I laughed?


I'm sure most people did. :yogi:

MoronSonOfBoron wrote:
Oh gosh, I hope Zak and abuse don't become like Gant and rape. >_>


Well, now that you've said it, it has to.

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Spoiler: Random Game spoilers... maybe
DEFINITELY. After I played the game and figured out everything, my first reaction was about Zak. A poker game to pick the defense? Well, the way Trucy explains it makes it sound okay but seriously. His fault for most of the game.
Why did Thalassa choose him? LOL. He scares me. That big smile he has instantly reminded me of GANT. OMG.
But he's still funny. He must've not really trusted Phoenix all that much if he had to make an escape plan. If he told Phoenix everything, he wouldn't have needed that escape plan. But hey, he made the game exciting. I still like him.
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Bobbles wrote:
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Why did Thalassa choose him? LOL. He scares me.


Spoiler: This won't be revealed until later in the series
He drugged her and married her while she wasn't in her right mind......and he got her pregnant while she was drugged.

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I think your perception of Valant is a little too nice. I mean, he's a really shady guy who wanted to frame Zak for murder. (I believe Phoenix did a good job making Valant look guilty as he was).


I agree... Also, I don't believe Zak is as much of a jerk as he was portrayed in this... Okay, it's supposed to be satirical, but if this is Zak at a "10" rank on the Jerk Scale, I'd say that in the game's reality, he's about a 4 when compared to this.
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Those comics were funny. 8D
And yeah, Zak's a bit of a dick. I don't know why anyone would leave their eight-year-old daughter with a guy who just got fired.
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I think I recall something being said about how he wanted to beat
phoenix because he was abusing Trucy's power for a no-loss record.


Yeah, never mind the fact that he too abused Trucy's talents to escape the courtroom, and then leave her behind.

And again, it was Zak who was the reason Phoenix lost his ideal career and forced him to get a deadbeat job like that. What an ass.
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Valant is the biggest jerk of them all. He ruined Phoenix's, Trucy's, Zak's, Kristoph's, and the Mishams's lives because "WAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH MAGNIFI DIDN'T PICK ME!!!!!!!!"
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sanareth wrote:
Those comics were funny. 8D
And yeah, Zak's a bit of a dick. I don't know why anyone would leave their eight-year-old daughter with a guy who just got fired.

Unless they're zak-buser (must turn into meme... must turn into meme... must turn itno meme...)
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sanareth wrote:
Those comics were funny. 8D
And yeah, Zak's a bit of a dick. I don't know why anyone would leave their eight-year-old daughter with a guy who just got fired.


I think the intent may have been to leave Trucy with Valant, but of course Valant himself got locked up and that went wrong.
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