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Author: | WhiteElephant [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Zak Gramarye is a JERK (Spoilers lol~) |
NOTE: If you love Valant too for not being a super jerk like Zak there's a thread over for him too now~ Click here to go to it! I think our loveable jerk needed a love/hate thread for himself >;D After all EVERYTHING that happened to Phoenix, Kristoph, Trucy, Valant (and maybe Apollo) is ultimately his fault. Spoiler: How? (4-4, 4-1 spoilers) I can go on- but I think peachifruit's comic series: 'Zak Gramarye is a Jerk' can explain much better for me :D Note: All the comics have 4-4, 4-1 spoilers. Spoiler: Zak is a Jerk Part 1 Spoiler: Zak is a Jerk Part 2 Spoiler: Zak is a Jerk Part 3 Spoiler: Zak is a Jerk Part 4 Spoiler: Zak is a Jerk Part 5 Spoiler: Zak is a Dead Jerk -Bonus- Original Sauce!~ Note: For some reason when I save them to my PB and upload them there the comic is shrinked. When I figure out why this is happening and how to fix it I'll upload them again. For now they're on tinyurl~ But seriously, show some Zak Gramarye love...or hate. Whatever you feel like. Want to debate the idea that he's a jerk? Go ahead, I don't mind that either~ Spoiler: Some Zak Art!~ |
Author: | Ringman [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:26 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Zak Gramarye: Jerk or JERK (Spoilers lol) |
Nah, he's a genuinely good guy at heart- just a bit of a hot head. You have to remember that he didn't shoot anyone and that Magnifi trusted HIM with his routines. Valant was the one with the darker heart. I mean, after all those years, Phoenix did kind've ruin Zak's career (despite his innocence) so you can understand why he'd try to make him look like fake (also for utilizing his daughter for the purpose of victory). |
Author: | WhiteElephant [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:28 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Zak Gramarye: Jerk or JERK (Spoilers lol) |
@Ringman: Perhaps, but you have to admit- all the things that happened made him seem like a jerk. Spoiler: 4-1 spoiler |
Author: | Rhia [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Zak Gramarye: Jerk or JERK (Spoilers lol) |
Ahahahah. I love those comics. And I kinda agree, Zak is a jerk. But in a coolish kinda way. Besides, HE'S BALD! :D |
Author: | Tajiri Ami [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Zak Gramarye: Jerk or JERK (Spoilers lol) |
That comic was COMPLETELY EPIC. Whoever drew that had better have done tons and tons of works that are available for my viewing pleasure~ I like Zak, but he did do a couple of rather questionable things... The whole troupe has more drama than an afterschool special. |
Author: | Izanami [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Zak Gramarye: Jerk or JERK (Spoilers lol) |
Those comics were a work of pure genius! That's all I can say. |
Author: | WhiteElephant [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Zak Gramarye: Jerk or JERK (Spoilers lol) |
Ringman wrote: Nah, he's a genuinely good guy at heart- just a bit of a hot head. You have to remember that he didn't shoot anyone and that Magnifi trusted HIM with his routines. Valant was the one with the darker heart. I mean, after all those years, Phoenix did kind've ruin Zak's career (despite his innocence) so you can understand why he'd try to make him look like fake (also for utilizing his daughter for the purpose of victory). Zak's career would have ruined either way I think. Magnifi was dead. Even Zak realized this. Spoiler: 4-4 spoiler |
Author: | Millini [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:32 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Zak Gramarye: Jerk or JERK (Spoilers lol) |
I love that one frame in the first comic, "BETCHA I CAN DO THIS BLINDFOLDED!" |
Author: | WhiteElephant [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:34 am ] |
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Millini wrote: I love that one frame in the first comic, "BETCHA I CAN DO THIS BLINDFOLDED!" Knowing Zak I bet he did >XD;;; Also the creator is peachifruit. She has a DA an LJ and a website. There's one last part to this series too that hasn't been released yet ;D! |
Author: | Mia_Fey [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:38 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Zak Gramarye: Jerk or JERK (Spoilers lol) |
Spoiler: 4-4 |
Author: | Ringman [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:40 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Zak Gramarye: Jerk or JERK (Spoilers lol) |
I think your perception of Valant is a little too nice. I mean, he's a really shady guy who wanted to frame Zak for murder. And on Zak visiting Trucy- he really couldn't because everyone thought HE was guilty due to Phoenix's shoddy court-work. There was no way he could pop up in public. If Phoenix didn't present that evidence, even if Zak escaped, he wouldn't look 100% guilty (I believe Phoenix did a good job making Valant look guilty as he was). |
Author: | Mia_Fey [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:45 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Zak Gramarye: Jerk or JERK (Spoilers lol) |
Phoenix probably could have arranged a visit considering he inquires about whether or not Zak wants to see her and Zak refuses. And I wouldn't call Phoenix's defense job shoddy. He was doing a particularly excellent job until that journal came up. Phoenix may have been foolish to present that page, but he did so because presenting nothing would have lead to a conviction and he honestly didn't consider the possibility that the evidence was forged. Phoenix was always a bit naive. On another note, perhaps we should change the topic name. The rules state no more of these Something or SOMETHING topics. |
Author: | Writer Awakened [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:46 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Zak Gramarye: Jerk or JERK (Spoilers lol) |
Yeah, Zak did come off looking like a Grade A douchebag. Not only did he not even care that Phoenix was exposed as a "cheat" (heck, he was planning to disappear, and he even got Trucy to help!) but seven years he comes back later with the sole intent...of exposing Phoenix as a "cheat". ...yeah. My douchebag sense is tingling! :D IMO, Valant, despite being a bit...eccentric, is eight bajillion times more awesome than his fellow magician |
Author: | WhiteElephant [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Zak Gramarye: Jerk or JERK (Spoilers lol) |
Spoiler: 4-4 @Ringman: Oh don't get me wrong. Valant was in a sense- a jerk as well. But you have to realize that he just cracked a little inside. Spoiler: 4-4, 4-1 @Mia: Okay XD -didn't see that rule- I'll change it right away :D |
Author: | Trilroy [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:51 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Zak Gramarye: Jerk or JERK (Spoilers lol) |
Spoiler: 4-4 |
Author: | WhiteElephant [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:55 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Zak Gramarye: Jerk or JERK (Spoilers lol) |
Trilroy wrote: Spoiler: 4-4 Spoiler: 4-4 |
Author: | Mia_Fey [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:56 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Zak Gramarye is a JERK (Spoilers lol~) |
Spoiler: 4-4 |
Author: | Ringman [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:57 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Zak Gramarye: Jerk or JERK (Spoilers lol) |
Mia_Fey wrote: Phoenix probably could have arranged a visit considering he inquires about whether or not Zak wants to see her and Zak refuses. And I wouldn't call Phoenix's defense job shoddy. He was doing a particularly excellent job until that journal came up. Phoenix may have been foolish to present that page, but he did so because presenting nothing would have lead to a conviction and he honestly didn't consider the possibility that the evidence was forged. Phoenix was always a bit naive. On another note, perhaps we should change the topic name. The rules state no more of these Something or SOMETHING topics. I don't know if I necessarily agree with you there: - Phoenix Wasn't himself in court. After being taunted by Klavier, he maintained this Edgeworth-style over-the-top composure that made him arrogant. His arrogance is what screwed over Zak. Even if he didn't present the note (which even HE knew looked suspicious), Valant looked very guilty and the page in the book was torn. His arrogance (and looking down toward Klavier) made him act like more of a Jerk than Zak. - After the Trail Zak disappeared- it wasn't up to Phoenix to ask "hey, want to see your daughter." I'm sure Zak, being as paranoid as he is, wouldn't risk showing up anywhere else but an underground club. He also didn't want to admit to Trucy what happened with her mother. He wasn't really a calm person, so I can understand his logic. - Valant is really the guilty party with the whole Magnifi misunderstanding. Had he not framed Zak, the suicide would've been obvious. Also, Valant even admitted to coming to the hospital with the intention of killing Magnifi- evil moves on his part. - Had it not been for Phoenix's arrogance and Valant's evil tendencies, Zak wouldn't have had to leave his daughter. Sure, he was paranoid after disappearing, but who wouldn't be? And DESPITE this, he decided to give his life to make sure the rights went over to Trucy before Valant stole them- the exact opposite of Valant who only cared for himself. Kristoph's crimes in this game were only situational. If everything hadn't fallen exactly into place, he would've looked insane and been taken away a long time ago. You can't really blame Zak for that though- moreso Phoenix and Valant. |
Author: | Mia_Fey [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Zak Gramarye is a JERK (Spoilers lol~) |
Spoiler: 4-4 |
Author: | Writer Awakened [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:18 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Zak Gramarye: Jerk or JERK (Spoilers lol) |
Ringman wrote: Mia_Fey wrote: Phoenix probably could have arranged a visit considering he inquires about whether or not Zak wants to see her and Zak refuses. And I wouldn't call Phoenix's defense job shoddy. He was doing a particularly excellent job until that journal came up. Phoenix may have been foolish to present that page, but he did so because presenting nothing would have lead to a conviction and he honestly didn't consider the possibility that the evidence was forged. Phoenix was always a bit naive. On another note, perhaps we should change the topic name. The rules state no more of these Something or SOMETHING topics. I don't know if I necessarily agree with you there: - Phoenix Wasn't himself in court. After being taunted by Klavier, he maintained this Edgeworth-style over-the-top composure that made him arrogant. His arrogance is what screwed over Zak. Even if he didn't present the note (which even HE knew looked suspicious), Valant looked very guilty and the page in the book was torn. His arrogance (and looking down toward Klavier) made him act like more of a Jerk than Zak. - After the Trail Zak disappeared- it wasn't up to Phoenix to ask "hey, want to see your daughter." I'm sure Zak, being as paranoid as he is, wouldn't risk showing up anywhere else but an underground club. He also didn't want to admit to Trucy what happened with her mother. He wasn't really a calm person, so I can understand his logic. - Valant is really the guilty party with the whole Magnifi misunderstanding. Had he not framed Zak, the suicide would've been obvious. Also, Valant even admitted to coming to the hospital with the intention of killing Magnifi- evil moves on his part. - Had it not been for Phoenix's arrogance and Valant's evil tendencies, Zak wouldn't have had to leave his daughter. Sure, he was paranoid after disappearing, but who wouldn't be? And DESPITE this, he decided to give his life to make sure the rights went over to Trucy before Valant stole them- the exact opposite of Valant who only cared for himself. Kristoph's crimes in this game were only situational. If everything hadn't fallen exactly into place, he would've looked insane and been taken away a long time ago. You can't really blame Zak for that though- moreso Phoenix and Valant. Firstly, what? How was the diary page different than almost every single other piece of evidence we see? No one had any problem with Phoenix presenting randomly-labeled CD's or paper badges recovered on unlawful searches before, so why wouldn't Phoenix want to present decisive evidence? It's all well and good to look back in retrospect and say "lawl what stupid Phoenix, that's fake" but not even we would have known it was a fake if we didn't have prior knowledge of Phoenix's fate! Almost every single case had some evidence for which there was always reasonable doubt of authenticity (Larry's "love letter", anyone?) and we all know that we have to present pretty much every relevant piece of evidence to win anyway. Besides, Phoenix even says he didn't have time to prepare: He had to get the information he needed during a fifteen-minute court recess! He didn't seem too cocky to me; I found his ribbing of Klavier amusing, and it seemed to me that Phoenix was trying to teach Klavier the hard way not to be overconfident by knocking the rookie down a peg (Klavier was pretty damn confident himself). Of course, it came back to bite Phoenix in the ass, but... Secondly, Zak was planning to disappear before the trial even started. He had planned to disappear for seven years to "die" to begin with, and he knew that everyone would suspect Valant had helped him escape; Valant says so himself! Valant got thrown in jail, and that was exactly what Zak wanted. Then seven years later he hands the performance rights to Phoenix to make sure that it was his daughter that inherited her grandfather's magic. Yes, he did write the confession...and, in turn, Valant confessed to framing Zak for the crime...just like Zak wanted. He knew what had happened and that Valant's conscience would make him tell the truth, getting Zak off scot-free, of course. And then he goes to set Phoenix up and clobbers Olga with a glass bottle. |
Author: | Robo-Aly [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:29 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Zak Gramarye is a JERK (Spoilers lol~) |
Lol my friend showed me these last night. They're awesome XD |
Author: | Mia_Fey [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Zak Gramarye: Jerk or JERK (Spoilers lol) |
Writer Awakened wrote: Secondly, Zak was planning to disappear before the trial even started. He had planned to disappear for seven years to "die" to begin with, and he knew that everyone would suspect Valant had helped him escape; Valant says so himself! Valant got thrown in jail, and that was exactly what Zak wanted. Then seven years later he hands the performance rights to Phoenix to make sure that it was his daughter that inherited her grandfather's magic. Yes, he did write the confession...and, in turn, Valant confessed to framing Zak for the crime...just like Zak wanted. He knew what had happened and that Valant's conscience would make him tell the truth, getting Zak off scot-free, of course. And then he goes to set Phoenix up and clobbers Olga with a glass bottle. I'm not sure I agree with you about Zak's attitude to Valant. Don't get me wrong. Zak doesn't appear to have been a nice guy, but he appeared to be honestly shocked to discover that public opinion had turned on Valant. He didn't have to write that confession and considering Valant hadn't confessed in seven years time, I'm not sure he was expecting Valant to suddenly spill his guts when he saw it. This was the same person who stood on the stand a tried to frame him for murder and then preceded to keep his silence about the truth over a long period of time. Zak couldn't have known how Valant would react (although perhaps he suspected), so it seems to me that he didn't plan for Valant to take the fall. After all, the court had decided that he was the guilty party. They just couldn't sentence him because of his disappearing act, but that wouldn't make him any less guilty. We know he was overseas for a long time, so it is very possible he never knew his partner's fate before returning. |
Author: | AdvanceStratagist [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:08 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Zak Gramarye is a JERK (Spoilers lol~) |
Copy pasting my post from the contradiction topic. I just had a thought concerning why Zak wanted to set Phoenix up. Olga was under the assumption that "Shadi Smith" wanted to bring down the poker legend. But I think Zak wanted to find out something else. Zak had vanished after Phoenix may or may not have "cheated" by forging the diary page. I think that it's possible the planted card had something to do with his trial. Maybe to see how he reacted to the planted card, maybe just as a way to bring up the subject, I dunno. But then when Phoenix hid the card away, and then they couldn't find it, Zak got worked up over losing his chance to see his reaction, or whatever he was hoping to do, and took it out on Olga. Phoenix left right after that saying he would call the police quick and then come right back. We don't know just what Zak did after that, but eventually he sat himself back down. Maybe he was calming himself down, when a certain little secret passage opened, and he got smacked on the head with a bottle. That's my thought anyways. |
Author: | Rhia [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:11 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Zak Gramarye: Jerk or JERK (Spoilers lol) |
Tajiri Ami wrote: That comic was COMPLETELY EPIC. Whoever drew that had better have done tons and tons of works that are available for my viewing pleasure~ I like Zak, but he did do a couple of rather questionable things... The whole troupe has more drama than an afterschool special. http://peachifruit.deviantart.com/ That's her deviantart. :D |
Author: | Writer Awakened [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:19 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Zak Gramarye: Jerk or JERK (Spoilers lol) |
Mia_Fey wrote: Writer Awakened wrote: Secondly, Zak was planning to disappear before the trial even started. He had planned to disappear for seven years to "die" to begin with, and he knew that everyone would suspect Valant had helped him escape; Valant says so himself! Valant got thrown in jail, and that was exactly what Zak wanted. Then seven years later he hands the performance rights to Phoenix to make sure that it was his daughter that inherited her grandfather's magic. Yes, he did write the confession...and, in turn, Valant confessed to framing Zak for the crime...just like Zak wanted. He knew what had happened and that Valant's conscience would make him tell the truth, getting Zak off scot-free, of course. And then he goes to set Phoenix up and clobbers Olga with a glass bottle. I'm not sure I agree with you about Zak's attitude to Valant. Don't get me wrong. Zak doesn't appear to have been a nice guy, but he appeared to be honestly shocked to discover that public opinion had turned on Valant. He didn't have to write that confession and considering Valant hadn't confessed in seven years time, I'm not sure he was expecting Valant to suddenly spill his guts when he saw it. This was the same person who stood on the stand a tried to frame him for murder and then preceded to keep his silence about the truth over a long period of time. Zak couldn't have known how Valant would react (although perhaps he suspected), so it seems to me that he didn't plan for Valant to take the fall. After all, the court had decided that he was the guilty party. They just couldn't sentence him because of his disappearing act, but that wouldn't make him any less guilty. We know he was overseas for a long time, so it is very possible he never knew his partner's fate before returning. Well, you're right, he didn't have to write a confession. But if Zak really wanted to bury the hatchet with Valant, why didn't he go talk to him? He probably could have found him if he had really wanted to. But the reason he showed up in the Borscht Bowl Club 7 years later was because, in AJ-world, he would be legally deceased and therefore "safe", legally speaking. Zak didn't try to set Valant up for anything just for kicks, but I think Zak knew what had really happened and knew the cards that Valant was going to play, so to speak. Valant wasn't innocent for trying to pin the crime on Zak, and Zak didn't seem to care that Valant took the fall for Magnifi's death (and he must have known that by disappearing, the suspicion would fall on Valant, guilty or not). Honestly, both of them hated each others' guts because of Thalassa (poor Thalassa ;_;) and neither of them are anything close to saints, but Valant faced the music for his crime (even if it did take him seven years, he did realize his mistake and wanted to make things right). Meanwhile, Zak writes his confession...and subsequently tries to screw Phoenix over for reasons I still don't really understand. Anyway, that's why I like Valant more than Zak. Zak just did some really assholey things. |
Author: | Aetheryn [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:26 am ] |
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Oh what the hell, those comics were freaking hilarious... maybe a little stretched though.... |
Author: | Mia_Fey [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:38 am ] |
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AdvanceStratagist wrote: Copy pasting my post from the contradiction topic. I just had a thought concerning why Zak wanted to set Phoenix up. Olga was under the assumption that "Shadi Smith" wanted to bring down the poker legend. But I think Zak wanted to find out something else. Zak had vanished after Phoenix may or may not have "cheated" by forging the diary page. I think that it's possible the planted card had something to do with his trial. Maybe to see how he reacted to the planted card, maybe just as a way to bring up the subject, I dunno. But then when Phoenix hid the card away, and then they couldn't find it, Zak got worked up over losing his chance to see his reaction, or whatever he was hoping to do, and took it out on Olga. Phoenix left right after that saying he would call the police quick and then come right back. We don't know just what Zak did after that, but eventually he sat himself back down. Maybe he was calming himself down, when a certain little secret passage opened, and he got smacked on the head with a bottle. That's my thought anyways. Well, the real reason he comes back to meet Phoenix is to hand him the letter giving Trucy the tricks Zak had inherited before he was declared legally dead and lost his rights to them. The card game was a secondary reason and considering Zak's attitude, he may just have fallen to his "foolish pride" as Trucy mentions. Zak does mention that he couldn't stand losing and having lost already to Magnifi, he didn't plan to allow Phoenix's win over him to stand unchallenged. Besides, he seems rather cranky that Phoenix had gone undefeated for so long. I imagine he was calming himself down after all that (he had just hit a woman with a bottle after all), but Phoenix wasn't gone long (remember the murder had to occur, Kristoph had to arrange the scene, and then escape before Phoenix got back) so Zak wouldn't have had much time to do anything before being killed and he was clearly sitting when he was hit. There's no reference to the card having to do with the trial and Olga tells us she was the one who planted it. It was her trump card. Just a low level card that they could accuse Phoenix of having switched out to improve his hand. Zak does clearly have a temper considering the fact that he is constantly hitting Brushel which could explain his fury at having his plan foiled. @ Writer- I don't fully agree that Zak knew or believed that blame would fall on Valant, but that doesn't mean he couldn't have. He did seem extremely surprised and distressed to me, but there isn't any way to get inside his head and know for sure so your reading of it is certainly as valid as mine. I actually also prefer Valant if only because Zak really did seem to be unconcerned about the effect ruining Phoenix's reputation would have on Trucy (I'm pissed for Phoenix's sake as well as he didn't deserve that treatment, but to knowingly do such a thing to your own daughter is particularly horrible. Phoenix and Trucy relied on the money Phoenix made playing poker and if his reputation was shot, so was one of their main sources of income. Seriously, not nice). Besides, Valant had funny animations (bunnies!). |
Author: | Angelux [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:39 am ] |
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And That why he write the confession |
Author: | Only One In All [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:06 am ] |
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I know this thread is about why Zak Gramarye is a jerk, but.. Spoiler: |
Author: | Angelux [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:08 am ] |
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Only One In All wrote: I know this thread is about why Zak Gramarye is a jerk, but.. Spoiler: I Agree, but as if its posted before, I did'nt menton it. ^First post |
Author: | Cat [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:13 am ] |
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Allakazooooooomg!!! .....hey!! Zak still is awesome. Right? I mean...just look at my avatar! (Thanks to a certain someone....) Anyway, I love whoever did those comics!!! So funny!! And epic. And Zak may be a jerk...but a cool magic jerk, yeah!? |
Author: | Rhia [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:27 am ] |
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Yeah, those comics are still awesome. I hope she makes more. I mean, kicking Apollo babies are just awesome. XD |
Author: | Robo-Aly [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:28 am ] |
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"Well sure, I can go out for ice cream.... BUT YOU AREN'T COMING!" <3 Kristoph's face in the 3rd one is epic XD |
Author: | Rhia [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:29 am ] |
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Akane wrote: Kristoph's face in the 3rd one is epic XD Quoted for truth. |
Author: | Writer Awakened [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:35 am ] |
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Valant's expression in the second one sells it for me. XD Also, Thalassa being cute in the first one. |
Author: | Robo-Aly [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:40 am ] |
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Writer Awakened wrote: Valant's expression in the second one sells it for me. This is true, also. |
Author: | twelve by pies [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:59 am ] |
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Rhia wrote: Yeah, those comics are still awesome. I hope she makes more. I mean, kicking Apollo babies are just awesome. XD QFT. Those two panels would totally be in my sig right now if it wasn't a SPOILER... grr. not fair. |
Author: | Aetheryn [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:10 am ] |
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Rhia wrote: Akane wrote: Kristoph's face in the 3rd one is epic XD Quoted for truth. QFT the Quoted for truth. |
Author: | Writer Awakened [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:12 am ] |
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Valant's expression in the last panel of the second reminds me of a mortified Chiyo from Azumanga Daioh. Angry Kristoph in the third reminds me of Cromartie High School, for some reason. XD |
Author: | SteveMalcolm [ Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:50 pm ] |
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I really liked Zak. I admit he was a jerk but I thought he was awesome and was one of my favourite characters out of AJ. Then again, I always liked the jerk characters They seem to be the most entertaining. |
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