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Marshmello wrote:
.. if you would shed your ignorant egotism for a minute ... You don't have some sort of insight that we're all missing, you just have a different opinion.
Both sides, debate it, agree to disagree, whatever, but don't think that your opinion is any more legitimate than anyone else's.
As for "New characters are intolerable to the fanbase", that has already been disproven. Rhoda is new to AAI, and she got to be Edgey's sidekick and have him stand up for her and so on and so forth, but reactions to her have been overwhelmingly positive. It's not "Onoes strong female character", either, because the series has tons of those. Kay is a whole other kettle of fish, and while she isn't "abominable" I'm still willing to argue that her character isn't up to par.
Thanks for that. I really needed a character attack there. Excuse this inarticulate ignorant egotistic fool who has no insight and is just running her mouth off like a ignorant bigoted retard. I'll just go kill myself since I dared to point out something about some fangirls, a fact that no one wants to admit to because frankly, I'd be embarrassed too. Don't you think you're over-reacting and being way too defensive about this? Also a tad hypocritical in the ego department there. Makes me wonder where all this hostility is coming from... cause I didn't even point fingers. I admit I'm rather taken aback.
*sigh* Anyway, just to humour you...I feel obliged to point out that Rhoda is different, 'whole other kettle of fish' as you put it. She's only a part of one case, not the vehicle of plot and connection of the overarching story. I don't think anyone has any issues with characters that are integral to a particular case, but when they are pivotal to the central plot and continuity, oh no beware...
Kay as a character may be underdeveloped compared to her predecessors, but that is mostly due to her new appearance. She hasn't had the opportunity to have her entire personality and backstory explored because she's only been a part of one game, one spinoff fanservicy game. And as demonstrated by history, fandom does have a tendency to dislike, at least initally, new characters who replace the roles of old ones, eg Ema replacing Maya and Apollo replacing Nick. I'm not saying that's the sole reason for discontent with Kay, but it is an important factor, subconscious to our collective minds or otherwise. However, Kay does not fit the Mary Sue trope to a tee, and any arguments alone these lines inevitably undermine themselves because so many other characters are similarly structured.
At the end of the day, I think we fans have no right to accuse the creators and writers of being inadequate and pandering to fangirl fantasies or whatever reactive dissatisfaction we can conquer up. We should be on our knees thanking the team behind every game. It's rather contradictory. It's almost like we think we can create better characters and write a better plot - that we know better. All this negativity drags other people down and ruins enjoyment of a wonderful series. I just wish people would look on the positive side and be less nit-picky about characters. They're characters, just that. Ingredients for a story for better or worse. Getting so worked up over it all seems a complete waste of time to me. But then that's me. I just don't care enough to want to argue about it. Maybe I really don't have a right to an opinion then.
Midnight Jasper wrote:
And to add, there's a difference between being a strong character and saving the life of everyone in the series. Are you saying that if there was a girl who saved the life of every male character you wouldn't find them remotely Sue-ish or annoying?
And apparently, weak guys are cute whereas weak girls are totally unacceptable. So yeah.
It was just an example, a hypothetical scenario for the sake of it. I'm just saying the fact that Kay is capable of saving, rather than being saved - as opposed to, say, Maya and Pearl, and therefore acting outside of a traditional prescribed female role typical of Eastern cultural standards - indeed Kay has many boyish characteristics both in design, personality and speech patterns - is in itself a Sue trait, as well as a feminist one. Perhaps this is a contradiction that was designed to work, but failed on some levels, or a new direction the creators are taking with their heroines, either way it's not for me to say. Kay is Kay. The end. Whether she has a cardboard cutout personality or not depends on whose point of view you take, and is subject to change if she returns in subsequent instalments. I think some of us are jumping the gun in handing down judgement on her, especially if we had high hopes for her and somehow reality didn't meet expectations. /shrug
I have nothing against so called 'weak girls' or 'weak boys' or 'weak anything'. This is not an issue about me and my opinions, it's rather an issue about clash of culture and something being lost in translation. We all bring a little bit of ourselves into stories and as a result sympathise with characters we feel reflect our values, and this is a foundation for much of the stubborn to and fro fandom is notorious for. I'm not looking to take sides or offer a conclusion about something, but that's the way I see it. I try to be objective and this is what I get...
I like every single character in the series equally and I don't judge them. Fanwank makes me sad.
Just gonna stand there and watch me burn?
But that's alright because I like the way it hurts
RIP Tobi Wong