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Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:23 am
And your point that age difference is the reason it wouldn't.
That was one of many reasons I would advocate against Phoenix and Maya having a relationship, yes(others including the fact that the two have never shown any signs of affection towards each other through the first three AA games, as well as discussions between Phoenix and Maya in 3-2).
You don't seem to recall that you made this point, and instead you went off tangent to argue about a bunch of other vaguely related to non-related things while ignoring all my valid counterpoints.
...this sentence has so many things wrong with it, but I will make an attempt to address all of them.
First off, I did not bring up the Phoenix/Maya debate, if that is what you are referring to. That was referenced in the original post, but the firestorm of debate on the issue started after the third post in this topic.
I did bring up the age point(that being that Phoenix and Maya are 7 years apart). I never claimed in any way that I did not make this point, or that I was somehow not the first to bring it up in this topic. So I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Secondly, my "tangents" about "a bunch of non-related things" in the last post were all referencing back to the original point of this topic, which was Phoenix and Iris having a possible relationship. I do attempt to reply to anyone and everyone on here who wishes to have a decent, friendly discussion.
while ignoring all my valid counterpoints.
If by "all of my valid counterpoints," you mean three instances where people may or may not have had relationships with others in different age categories...you have a very odd definition of valid counterpoints, and an even odder definition of "ignore."
I addressed all of your points, going back and addressing every single argument you made in my second to most recent post(third to most recent if you count this one). Since you clearly missed my addressing these earlier, I will go back and list every single one of my responses in a quick, easy to find location.
Contention #1: "Whether or not Gumshoe got with Maggey in AA doesn't change the fact that age isn't an issue."
Response: Yes, it does. Just because someone older is attracted to someone younger does not qualify as a relationship by any definition of the word. All your example proves is that Gumshoe, as well as virtually anyone, has the ability to feel affection for those younger than himself.
Excellent point. Irrelevant to the debate at hand.
Contention #2: "Whether or not you believe Viola's relationship with Furio Tigre was valid doesn't change the fact that the age difference isn't an issue."
Answer: If the relationship is not valid in the first place, it most definitely does. This one should be incredibly obvious.
Let's say, for instance, that there was some man that was twenty or so years older than you, who thought you looked pretty. Simple enough example so far.
That does NOT by any means qualify a relationship, or even the potential for a relationship. You cannot simply say "well, one party has feelings for the other, so there must be potential for a relationship."
That constitutes a crush, not a relationship.
You also completely dropped my point about the traumatic event's effect.
I went over this extensively in one of my more recent posts: I suggest you go back and read it before you accuse me of ignoring your arguments.
Contention #3: "In other words, a comment that has nothing to do with the topic. But I'll admit it's a good way to ignore the third couple I brought up. You do know Plum and Winfred were married, right? Just checking."
I went over this even more extensively than the second, so unless you are reading one line of my posts and then stopping, I'm really not sure as to how you could have missed my response to this one.
Pierre knew what I was getting at, and he put it much more succinctly than I did in my most recent response, so, for the sake of brevity(you are welcome to read my entire explanation in my most recent post), I shall simply post his answer here.
Answer(from Pierre): "Perhaps he's implying that seeing how he is a member of the mafia, the marriage may not entirely have been through choice....it could've been for political reasons between mafia families or something...because 14 years is QUITE the distance, Plum you Goldigga."
Lastly, there is one final thing I would like to bring up here, that being that, as you yourself said:
I stated that YOUR OWN PERSONAL OPINION on their relationship status isn't important due to this reason
Which is true. Your own personal opinion on whether Phoenix and Maya have a relationship(which appears to clearly be a gigantic yes considering how enthusiastically and rather rudely you have responded to my points so far) is not relevant. What matters is the simple facts, which we have listed here:
A: Maya and Phoenix did not date during their time working as lawyer and assistant during the three years of the first three AA games(as evidenced by Phoenix's and Maya's consistent denial to Pearl, as well as Phoenix's display of affection towards Iris). We also know that they did not date during the seven years inbetween T&T and AJ as well, as referenced by the fact that Trucy has no recollection of Maya, who would, by that time, be her mother, or at least a candidate to be her mother.
Not only do we have that, but we also have the discrepancy in age difference, which is simply one more argument to thrown on the pile of evidence against this relationship existing in the first place. Yes, people can have affections for people younger than them. Phoenix never shows any of this towards Maya, and I would argue that his relationship with Maya is closer to a father-daughter relationship than a boyfriend-girlfriend one(referencing how Mia consistently asks Phoenix to "watch over her," and how Maya asks Phoenix to act as her guardian so she can go to Hazakurain Temple).
While I will agree that it is technically possible for people to be in a relationship with a vast age difference, it is rare(as only two of these relationships actually exist inside the entire seires: One needing a brain surgery and a lot of lying to oneself to make possible, the other involving a gang marriage that was likely done for the sake of power/territorial and monetarial reasons).
Combine that with all of the preceding evidence, and you have a case against a Phoenix Maya relationship that is nearly impossible to argue against by any standards.
Kind of pointless to argue with someone who can't remember their own arguments, so I'll stop here. You enjoy yourself now.
Your condescendingness(not a real word, I'm aware) is matched only by your overconfidence in your own ability to argue about fictional relationships on the internet.
Good day to you, and I sincerely hope you do decide to read all of my preceding posts before accusing me of whatever you plan to next.