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See, I dislike linear story telling because you have a clue what's happening next. All your foreshadowing has to be done in advance and it's harder to have misconceptions if you have all the fore-data. It's basically Cause and Effect. When you have all the causes, the effect becomes obvious. On the other hand, consider when GS4 was just pumping out, and we got our first glimpse of Hobohodo. The fandom EXPLOADED. But if the game opened with the flashback trial, all the theories and misconceptions we got to fly around would never have manifested and the hype would've been more rage and apathy. It'd be very dull.
I won't just generalize here and say "Linear story is better than non-linear narrative" or vice versa. Look, we both know there are good and bad ways to use it, and when you look at the exectution of it with AAI it all comes down to our opinion. I'm fine with Turnabout Reminiscence being a flashback case because it's a lot of years before everything else, and likewise with AJ and the second half of case 4. It was done really well, I agree, but cases 2 and 3 for example, in AAI are practically filler cases. You get some foreshadowing and little information on what's next and the "ooh, look that's Buddy Faith there, so he's gonna die after this case!" but really..? was it really necessary for the writer to make case 1 and then go "Let's rewind to when this started" just to show us two events that had almost nothing to do with the main plot. It wasn't very good in 2-1 either because it would've been a bigger surprise if you saw Maya without knowing Phoenix was going to be able to meet her or not.
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Spoiler: AAI Case 3
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I've heard the writing in this game is a little flat or superficial like in AAI though. I've heard people say that Phoenix is "more mature" but his characterization is "boring" and that things that are meant to be funny in the game sometimes fall flat. Sounds awfully much like my experience with AAI, Can anyone comment on this?
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The crimes are top-notch (this and GK2 are definitely the top two, although it's hard to put one as number one), and this is probably my favorite overall cast so far (even the characters I didn't like I found really entertaining and enjoyable).
I think part of it is the fact that we don't get to connect with any one protagonist. In the other games, we play as one person for most (if not all) of the game, letting us connect with them over the course of the game, while in GS5 we're flip-flopping between three people. Plus Kokone is such a sue... She shows up out of nowhere and wraps the plot around herself in a way that's not even very original for the series at this point.
...The fact that GS5 probably has the worst OST in the franchise doesn't help, either.
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Bad Player wrote:
I'm in the midst of case 5, so I haven't finished it yet, but there's something about GS5 that I just... don't like.
The crimes are top-notch (this and GK2 are definitely the top two, although it's hard to put one as number one), and this is probably my favorite overall cast so far (even the characters I didn't like I found really entertaining and enjoyable).
I think part of it is the fact that we don't get to connect with any one protagonist. In the other games, we play as one person for most (if not all) of the game, letting us connect with them over the course of the game, while in GS5 we're flip-flopping between three people. Plus Kokone is such a sue... She shows up out of nowhere and wraps the plot around herself in a way that's not even very original for the series at this point.
...The fact that GS5 probably has the worst OST in the franchise doesn't help, either.
The crimes are top-notch (this and GK2 are definitely the top two, although it's hard to put one as number one), and this is probably my favorite overall cast so far (even the characters I didn't like I found really entertaining and enjoyable).
I think part of it is the fact that we don't get to connect with any one protagonist. In the other games, we play as one person for most (if not all) of the game, letting us connect with them over the course of the game, while in GS5 we're flip-flopping between three people. Plus Kokone is such a sue... She shows up out of nowhere and wraps the plot around herself in a way that's not even very original for the series at this point.
...The fact that GS5 probably has the worst OST in the franchise doesn't help, either.
Do you feel the game raps up nicely though? Even though you havent finished the last case, do you feel its one game with the same plot and them running throughout? I mean the cases and the plot must make up for some of the characterization falling flat?
Oh and you really think the music is that bad? From what I've heard so far, I think its decent, at least better than AAI and JFA.
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Good Points:
--Overall good cases, the fillers were some of the best in the series imo
--Some Apollo backstory, which was sorely needed and I am very grateful for.
--I liked the new characters overall, Simon especially.
--Very interesting villain reveal
--I'm a fan of the soundtrack (September 25 needs to hurry up and get here)
Bad Points:
--Athena's story was VERY HEAVY. It may sound like a weird complaint, but there was an awful lot of NEW despite the game sort of being advertised as a sequel to AJ. I expected it to be the JFA to AJ's PW....but it wasn't, really. (spoiler box 2)
--A consequence of that was that the most important (imo) GS4 plot threads were never really addressed (spoiler box 1)
--The main villain...I'm still really confused about his motives and everything surrounding it; it felt weak because of that.
Spoiler: GS4-related GS5 spoilers
Spoiler: Athena
In the end...as a game in and of itself, it's great. As a sequel, it falls a bit short.
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...The fact that GS5 probably has the worst OST in the franchise doesn't help, either.
Wow, that's the first time I hear someone saying such a thing. I personally think the GS5 OST could be the best one in the series, although I can't really judge this until I have played the game myself.
Is there a special reason for your disliking or is it just, well, like it is? (I mean I can't really explain myself why I think the JFA OST is the weakest in the series.)
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Lusankya wrote:
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...The fact that GS5 probably has the worst OST in the franchise doesn't help, either.
Wow, that's the first time I hear someone saying such a thing. I personally think the GS5 OST could be the best one in the series, although I can't really judge this until I have played the game myself.
Is there a special reason for your disliking or is it just, well, like it is? (I mean I can't really explain myself why I think the JFA OST is the weakest in the series.)
The melodies are very weak and forgettable imo.
It sounds perfectly fine in-game, but I don't think any of it is going to stick.
(Also, I think JFA is a strange OST. I think it has some really good songs that just don't fit the GBA/DS bittune feel at all.)
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Jonathan wrote:
So,guys,which one do you think is better;
Trials&Tribulation or Dual Destinies?
Trials&Tribulation or Dual Destinies?
For me, Dual Destinies. T&T is not a AA I really like. Last case is really good, but I don't really like the others. Plus, I'm one of those rare people who doesn't like Godot, I hate him in fact, don't ask why xD
But in this game I like every case. Every case has something that makes you like them. There are really FUNNY scenes and new characters are awesome. Story is interesting and I really like Blackquill as a rival, he is great I love him! xD I don't like that past characters (Trucy, Pearl...) don't appear too often in the game, but still it's good to see them.
I hope they make an AA6.
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NinjAngel wrote:
Spoiler: GS4-related GS5 spoilers
oh hey
Anyway, my turn
Good Points:
-Some of the best cases in the franchise (you can definitely tell this was done by the GK2 team)
-Lots of unique, entertaining new characters
-No "character bloat" (which was my biggest (and really only) complaint in GK2)
-Best graphics so far
-It seems like they really did listen to some of the biggest complaints about GS4 and address them
-As a prosecutor, Yugami is one of the best in the series
Bad Points:
-There are some small changes that... are kind of annoying (ex. the save menu doesn't automatically close after saving)
-Investigations feel a lot more closed and linear than previous games
-It's really easy. And not just in terms of it being simple or something...
Spoiler: Example, so obviously spoilers
-Kokone is such a sue.
-The general direction of the plot is pretty predictable; there are quite a few similarities to things in other games
-With three protagonists that split up screentime, I didn't feel particularly attached to any of them
-The "magic powers" systems felt a bit spread thin; I think because there were so many of them this time, none of them felt particularly well-utilized (except Mood Matrix)
-Returning characters weren't utilized particularly well
Spoiler: Returning characters, no real story spoilers
-OST is pretty meh
If it looks like there's a lot of bad points, it's because... there's something about the game I just didn't really like. To be honest, I don't know exactly what it is. To me, the most important thing by far is the mysteries, and after that it's probably the characters, and I think that both of those elements were fantastic in here, but... I really don't know
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-Kokone is such a sue.
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The melodies are very weak and forgettable imo.
It sounds perfectly fine in-game, but I don't think any of it is going to stick.
It sounds perfectly fine in-game, but I don't think any of it is going to stick.
I have to disagree on that. I haven't played the game directly (I watched a livestream and listened to the soundtrack), but I really like the music this time. I still haven't stopped hearing Fulbright's theme in my head every now and then. That one definitely sticks out to me. It's so... Toy Story-ish.
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I mean, she isn't that complex of a character, but she's definitely not that. Also,
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Alkolto wrote:
I really disagree with everyone calling Kokone a Mary Sue. I don't know if you guys just have different definitions of what a Mary Sue is or something like that, but I really don't think she is. A Mary Sue is a character that is essentially flawless that everyone likes (Regardless of whether they should be against her or with her) that is always right, even in situations where there is no way that she normally should be.
I mean, she isn't that complex of a character, but she's definitely not that. Also,
I mean, she isn't that complex of a character, but she's definitely not that. Also,
Spoiler: Major Spoilers
I agree with you, and
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Blademaster_Orca wrote:
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The melodies are very weak and forgettable imo.
It sounds perfectly fine in-game, but I don't think any of it is going to stick.
It sounds perfectly fine in-game, but I don't think any of it is going to stick.
I have to disagree on that. I haven't played the game directly (I watched a livestream and listened to the soundtrack), but I really like the music this time. I still haven't stopped hearing Fulbright's theme in my head every now and then. That one definitely sticks out to me. It's so... Toy Story-ish.
I also really liked his theme. But it's not like a few good tracks can save the entire OST.
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I really disagree with everyone calling Kokone a Mary Sue. I don't know if you guys just have different definitions of what a Mary Sue is or something like that, but I really don't think she is. A Mary Sue is a character that is essentially flawless that everyone likes (Regardless of whether they should be against her or with her) that is always right, even in situations where there is no way that she normally should be.
I mean, she isn't that complex of a character, but she's definitely not that. Also,
I mean, she isn't that complex of a character, but she's definitely not that. Also,
Spoiler: Major Spoilers
Kokone is essential flawless and everyone does like her. (She's also always right, but... AA protags always are.)
Spoiler: major spoilers
And even if Kokone isn't a sue, it doesn't make much of a difference if she's just as boring as one =\
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I really disagree with everyone calling Kokone a Mary Sue. I don't know if you guys just have different definitions of what a Mary Sue is or something like that, but I really don't think she is. A Mary Sue is a character that is essentially flawless that everyone likes (Regardless of whether they should be against her or with her) that is always right, even in situations where there is no way that she normally should be.
There are multiple versions of a "Mary Sue", and Athena happens to share quite a lot with the fighter-type. I do agree that she's not completely a Sue, though. Her backstory, instead of making her a stereotype, actually develops her character and gives a completely different perspective on her. Rarely would that happen with a real Sue.
On an unrelated note, if they hadn't cut up case 4 into two parts, it would feel incredibly long, and the symbolism behind beginning a case with the latest Phoenix vs Edgeworth encounter would fade. That animated intro scene was so beautiful... it does better as the intro to a case, rather than an insert in the middle of one.
...But I really wanted to hit Apollo when he showed up in the 5th case. I won't go into details, but he just pissed me off. Thankfully, it had nothing to do with his missing mother, or I would have stopped caring for him.
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Kokone is essential flawless and everyone does like her. (She's also always right, but... AA protags always are.)
No, she really isn't flawless. She's not some super flawed character with seemingly nothing right, but it's not all black and white. Also, not everybody likes her. It's not like the villains all throw themselves at her, when they have no reason to like her. Everyone who does like her also has a reason to like her, rather than 'just because' like most Mary Sues are.
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Spoiler: major spoilers
And even if Kokone isn't a sue, it doesn't make much of a difference if she's just as boring as one =\
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
On an unrelated note, if they hadn't cut up case 4 into two parts, it would feel incredibly long, and the symbolism behind beginning a case with the latest Phoenix vs Edgeworth encounter would fade. That animated intro scene was so beautiful... it does better as the intro to a case, rather than an insert in the middle of one.
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
...But I really wanted to hit Apollo when he showed up in the 5th case. I won't go into details, but he just pissed me off. Thankfully, it had nothing to do with his missing mother, or I would have stopped caring for him.
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-Kokone is such a sue.
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Thanks, I try.
Seriously though, I was hoping she'd turn out to be a villain or something.
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...The fact that GS5 probably has the worst OST in the franchise doesn't help, either.
Really? What about AAI or GK2 though? I'd dare say Noriyuke Iwadare did way better here. The only complaint I have about the soundtrack is that there's a lot of inconsistency in the quality of each piece. Some tracks are remixes made in MIDI, some are orchestrated, and some... are just reuses of MIDI tracks from AJ... tha wut? But the tracks that are orchestrated did have a nice feel to them imo.
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linkenski wrote:
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...The fact that GS5 probably has the worst OST in the franchise doesn't help, either.
Really? What about AAI or GK2 though? I'd dare say Noriyuke Iwadare did way better here. The only complaint I have about the soundtrack is that there's a lot of inconsistency in the quality of each piece. Some tracks are remixes made in MIDI, some are orchestrated, and some... are just reuses of MIDI tracks from AJ... tha wut? But the tracks that are orchestrated did have a nice feel to them imo.
Reading this topic the past little while, I may be the only person alive that prefers Iwadare's tracks over the other two composers. How people can prefer AA2 and AA4's soundtracks as a whole over Iwadare's is beyond me. Oh well, that's music for you.
I will say I was disappointed that Klavier's theme was literally the same as it was in AA4... They seriously couldn't find someone to play a real guitar...?
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SeanHK wrote:
Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
On an unrelated note, if they hadn't cut up case 4 into two parts, it would feel incredibly long, and the symbolism behind beginning a case with the latest Phoenix vs Edgeworth encounter would fade. That animated intro scene was so beautiful... it does better as the intro to a case, rather than an insert in the middle of one.
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The main problem I have with both of those cases is that the pacing is a bit uneven. I remember my experience playing GK2-5, and it had too many things stuffed into one case, as if to tie up all the loose ends it made throughout the rest of the game. Thankfully, it wasn't like that here, but I agree that by splitting them up, it makes for two VERY short cases that would be better off staying as one because they're so intertwined.
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...But I really wanted to hit Apollo when he showed up in the 5th case. I won't go into details, but he just pissed me off. Thankfully, it had nothing to do with his missing mother, or I would have stopped caring for him.
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I will say I was disappointed that Klavier's theme was literally the same as it was in AA4... They seriously couldn't find someone to play a real guitar...?
I always thought he carried around a tape recorder with him, so his theme would always be playing in his presence.
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Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
SeanHK wrote:
Rubia Silve Ryu wrote:
On an unrelated note, if they hadn't cut up case 4 into two parts, it would feel incredibly long, and the symbolism behind beginning a case with the latest Phoenix vs Edgeworth encounter would fade. That animated intro scene was so beautiful... it does better as the intro to a case, rather than an insert in the middle of one.
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The main problem I have with both of those cases is that the pacing is a bit uneven. I remember my experience playing GK2-5, and it had too many things stuffed into one case, as if to tie up all the loose ends it made throughout the rest of the game. Thankfully, it wasn't like that here, but I agree that by splitting them up, it makes for two VERY short cases that would be better off staying as one because they're so intertwined.
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Just saw the E3 English demo...
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The demo is quite different from the final game.
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Anyway,thanks for the replies,guess I'll have to see for myself.
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linkenski wrote:
New question: How is the overall pacing in each case? Does it drag at certain points or is there a genuine tension to the cases?
Hmm... I'd say the pacing was pretty good, overall. The end of the first case felt a bit rushed to me, maybe. But besides that, there aren't any parts with huge pacing problems that immediately jump out in my mind, like the end of AAI or PLvAA.
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I've been wondering, What's "Overload Mode"? From what I've seen, only one emotion can be detected, and you can only draw testimony from the images. Can someone explain this in more detail?
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That link could be considered pretty spoilery on a few levels. Tag it. -Bolt
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