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Nayuta: Didn't I say you were chasing a deluded fantasy?
*flashback*
Nayuta: You're chasing a deluded fantasy
*flashback*
Nayuta: You're chasing a deluded fantasy
What is up with this anyway? Why did they go back to AJAA-style flashbacks where they're completely redundant or encapsulate way more than the significant lines of dialogue, again? Is there some staff member back on the team now whose role was to delegate flashbacks in AJAA or something? x)
I heard the flashbacks in this game were very overdone. There were a few in case 2 but nothing that bad compared to the original series, so I thought fans were just overreacting. Case 3, though, jesus christ. I wouldn't care if it didn't make the game load
I actually wonder if the flashbacks are a way of hiding all the loading the game needs to do? Wouldn't surprise me
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Franziska: They rejected justified self-defense and pleaded not guilty.
-No flashback.
And then, take 6-3.
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There was no need for the flashback at all!!!
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Phoenix: He fell unconscious!
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Ugh in case 3-5 they flashbacked to the same scene like 6 times.
Hold on...did that happen?
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I want to say this one of the weaker cases (trial-wise at least, the investigations were really good) but this is the only case besides 3-5 that actually made me cry...so I don't really know how to feel about it. I feel like I can't dislike a case that made me feel that way
I do think the case ended too abruptly with Maya's joke, though. Like maybe we needed an inner monologue from Nick similar to the end of 3-2 or something but whatever, I'm overall satisfied. Given the story of the game itself, this case presented all the right elements that were needed from the rebellion to the DC act
I also like how casually the photo in the rebel hideout was revealed
Anyway, the theme of SoJ: could it be legacy?
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Pierre wrote:
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But you're forgetting one thing.
Spoiler: Case 3 MAJOR SPOILERS
If you need a defense attorney, come talk to me! I just...can't take any cases that are in real life...it has to be on Miiverse. But I'm a justice-seeking warrior who wins every time, like Mr. Fine over there! Well, as long as you're not guilty. In Justice We Trust!
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Feel free to reply.
Or not.
Thanks though!
Or not.
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Spoiler: Case 3 MAJOR SPOILERS
If you need a defense attorney, come talk to me! I just...can't take any cases that are in real life...it has to be on Miiverse. But I'm a justice-seeking warrior who wins every time, like Mr. Fine over there! Well, as long as you're not guilty. In Justice We Trust!
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If you don't mind me asking, why blame Takumi? He wasn't involved in the writing of this case or the game, for that matter.
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If you don't mind me asking, why blame Takumi? He wasn't involved in the writing of this case or the game, for that matter.
Because he's the reason it's overdone
As of case 3, the amount of times each writer has utilized "Maya is kidnapped/the defendant":
Takumi: 4
Yamazaki: 1
Though I'm sure if you changed it too "The assistant is kidnapped/the defendant", it'd be a bit more even for both of them
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JesusMonroe wrote:
Apollo4Justice wrote:
If you don't mind me asking, why blame Takumi? He wasn't involved in the writing of this case or the game, for that matter.
Because he's the reason it's overdone
As of case 3, the amount of times each writer has utilized "Maya is kidnapped/the defendant":
Takumi: 4
Yamazaki: 1
Though I'm sure if you changed it too "The assistant is kidnapped/the defendant", it'd be a bit more even for both of them
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Going for Miles wrote:
Yeah, as JM said, he's the reason it's overdone... because heee staaaarted iiiit~
Why blaming Takumi, who had no involvement in the game? It's Yamazaki (& his team) who brought Maya back in SOJ. And he's also the one who made her the defendant/kidnapping victim again. He could have given Maya a different purpose to be in the game, instead of just being a "damsel in distress"; and yet that's literally all what Maya has done in the game: being in danger.
It just feels like, once they had decided to add her in the game, they didn't know what to do with her, what role give her that would've justified her presence, and so they played it safe by re-using two old and (by now) overused cliché situations.
I'm not saying Yamazaki did a bad job at all (in fact, I actually liked SOJ), but I believe it's a bit unfair blaming Takumi for this.
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that's literally all what Maya has done in the game: being in danger
Literally all? Her spirit-channeling didn't play a big part in the plot? (And if you count the DLC case as part of the game, where she had the assistant role)
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It just feels like, once they had decided to add her in the game, they didn't know what to do with her, what role give her that would've justified her presence, and so they played it safe by re-using two old and (by now) overused cliché situations.
Amen. If they really wanted her in the game, I wish they'd be a little more gutsy with her character instead of having her appear and behave almost exactly as her teenage self and put her in those roles again.
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I did like the moments where Maya was a little more mature like the end of Case 3 when she talked to Rayfa, what she does at the end of the game, etc. They definitely should've been a little more brave with how she changed after the timeskip, both personality and design
I still do wish she were in the game more but I can't think of a way she could be included more without a serious rewriting of the game (best I can think is move her meeting Nick to Case 1 and have her join him in court there. I suppose you could also introduce a new Khurainese character that could be the defendant in this case and have Maya be the assistant the whole time but we'd lose the parallel to the characters at the end of this case and more importantly, we'd lose Rayfa as the investigation partner). I'm a Maya fan but not a HUGE Maya fan, but I still enjoyed her in the game ultimately
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Going for Miles wrote:
I'm not "blaming" Takumi for Maya's role in SoJ (I wasn't being serious when I worded it like that), I just said that it was Takumi's games that made it a cliché move from the start. Doesn't mean I think it was his fault that it happened again here. I didn't like that it happened so many times in the trilogy, and I didn't like that it happened again in this one, that's all.
Oh, sorry! I had misinterpreted your words. I 100% agree with you here.
Going for Miles wrote:
Literally all? Her spirit-channeling didn't play a big part in the plot? (And if you count the DLC case as part of the game, where she had the assistant role)
Well, in a sense yes. But I just wish her reason for being in the game had been more complex than just for using her spirit medium powers...
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Though, I liked her in the DLC case, so no complaints there!
Going for Miles wrote:
Amen. If they really wanted her in the game, I wish they'd be a little more gutsy with her character instead of having her appear and behave almost exactly as her teenage self and put her in those roles again.
Yeah, that's precisely what I wanted to say. It feels like a big wasted opportunity for a further development of her character.
Spoiler: Case 3
Unfortunately, that was the only time they actually showed us the mature, responsible and serious trait of the grown-up Maya.
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Oh, sorry! I had misinterpreted your words. I 100% agree with you here.
No probs
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Unfortunately, that was the only time they actually showed us the mature, responsible and serious trait of the grown-up Maya.
Ah, yes. I had forgotten about that, honestly.
It felt like they tried to do something with that "keeping it real"-stuff too, but to me that just felt like empty talking that didn't actually lead to anything.
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JesusMonroe wrote:
Apollo4Justice wrote:
If you don't mind me asking, why blame Takumi? He wasn't involved in the writing of this case or the game, for that matter.
Because he's the reason it's overdone
As of case 3, the amount of times each writer has utilized "Maya is kidnapped/the defendant":
Takumi: 4
Yamazaki: 1
Though I'm sure if you changed it too "The assistant is kidnapped/the defendant", it'd be a bit more even for both of them
If you include the Layton Crossover, then it's 5 for Takumi. (I remember hearing Takumi did a lot of the writing/plot of that game.)
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They really just need to move on from Maya because she'll be forever destined to be in trouble in every game she appears in regardless of writers because it's such a trope. They should go the AA5 route for the next game and focus on a lot of new characters and then hopefully do it better so there are no Mary Sues or repeat plotlines lol.
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In Regards to Maya you can see that she has grown up some and isn't the same as she was in the original trilogy. I suppose Capcom wanted to play it safe.
What? She's exactly the same as in the OT. She's her same goofball self most of the time, and while she has a serious scene or two... she still had those back in OT as well.
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Bad Player wrote:
Armie Buff wrote:
In Regards to Maya you can see that she has grown up some and isn't the same as she was in the original trilogy. I suppose Capcom wanted to play it safe.
What? She's exactly the same as in the OT. She's her same goofball self most of the time, and while she has a serious scene or two... she still had those back in OT as well.
True enough. The thing is I didn't have any complaints with Maya in fact I was worried they might alter her personality too much but thankfully that wasn't the case. Plus it was nice to see her character again.
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In the intro of this case you first see a guard realizing that Datz has fled from the prison. Then you see 2 rebels talking to each other: "Well, you know, with Datz back on the streets, things will be on the up and up for us." "Keep your voice down! You want that rebel hunter to find us or something? ..." And then you see Lady Keera haunting those 2 rebels... however, this isn't possible...
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Bad Player wrote:
Armie Buff wrote:
In Regards to Maya you can see that she has grown up some and isn't the same as she was in the original trilogy. I suppose Capcom wanted to play it safe.
What? She's exactly the same as in the OT. She's her same goofball self most of the time, and while she has a serious scene or two... she still had those back in OT as well.
There are a few scenes where her personality felt decidedly different to me from OT but they felt so tacked on. There are those one or two moments when she confronts Rayfa about Khura'in or something and it feels like she's doing it with her own agency and not slightly hiding by Nick or say it with that teenage-ranty attitude as she would in the past, but they felt really sudden and there wasn't anything to them in terms of giving Maya some kind of character-arc. That's my biggest reason why I just didn't care for Maya in this game. She has no arc and she's just there to be a Kurain Channeling plot-device two times.
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