Thread Necromancy- thoughts?
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At the moment there is no penalty for thread necromancy, but that isn't the problem. Those who necromance are usually people who are new to the forum who post once or twice then disappear. Warnings against these kinds of posters doesn't really do anything because they usually don't stick around.
So yeah, this thread is to disscuss how you would stop it, or if you think it's just a waste of time.
My own thoughts- I feel personally that there should be some kind of semi-lock system in place. After a certain amount of time (depending on which subforum it is) a thread will get automatically locked. The owner of thread can still bump the thread, which will lead to people being able to post in it again. The thread owner should also be able to give the "bumping privalige" to others, which they could give to friends or in the case of projects (ie. Super Makoto etc.) to other team members. This way, people who would necro can still read the threads, but they can't actually necromance them, whereas owners of threads don't suffer.
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Thread necromancy, for those not in the know, is people bringing back topics that are long dead, often for very little reason at all. It's not a major problem, but a major annoyance to many, and people are getting annoyed with those constantly flaming those who do.
At the moment there is no penalty for thread necromancy, but that isn't the problem. Those who necromance are usually people who are new to the forum who post once or twice then disappear. Warnings against these kinds of posters doesn't really do anything because they usually don't stick around.
So yeah, this thread is to disscuss how you would stop it, or if you think it's just a waste of time.
My own thoughts- I feel personally that there should be some kind of semi-lock system in place. After a certain amount of time (depending on which subforum it is) a thread will get automatically locked. The owner of thread can still bump the thread, which will lead to people being able to post in it again. The thread owner should also be able to give the "bumping privalige" to others, which they could give to friends or in the case of projects (ie. Super Makoto etc.) to other team members. This way, people who would necro can still read the threads, but they can't actually necromance them, whereas owners of threads don't suffer.
At the moment there is no penalty for thread necromancy, but that isn't the problem. Those who necromance are usually people who are new to the forum who post once or twice then disappear. Warnings against these kinds of posters doesn't really do anything because they usually don't stick around.
So yeah, this thread is to disscuss how you would stop it, or if you think it's just a waste of time.
My own thoughts- I feel personally that there should be some kind of semi-lock system in place. After a certain amount of time (depending on which subforum it is) a thread will get automatically locked. The owner of thread can still bump the thread, which will lead to people being able to post in it again. The thread owner should also be able to give the "bumping privalige" to others, which they could give to friends or in the case of projects (ie. Super Makoto etc.) to other team members. This way, people who would necro can still read the threads, but they can't actually necromance them, whereas owners of threads don't suffer.
I think people make this sound malicious, often I think people who were not around when the thread was created just want to have a say, I am not sure why a view then is not relevant now or do you create a new thread on the topic just to get told it already exists?
Of course searching around like a archaeologist just to dig up some old crap to annoy your neighbours with heavy digging equipment is bad but might be excusable if it is a great find.
I have no opinion really on it, debates are nice, views can be nice but flaming is bad, unless it is funny to me.
Hmm, stale cake might be nasty though even if it still looks nice for a bite.. I really do not know. A mod created way to stopping it would be nice but they can just lock things if they feel it is not adding to the old post.
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Nothing needs to be done about this, really. There are also good reasons to resurrect threads, such as a piece of relevant news long after the original topic ended.
If a thread gets necroed for nothing, just lock it. That's all that needs to be done.
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Now, adding something like this to the rules can be easily achieved.
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Yellow Magician wrote:
What I don't understand is how sad people have to be to go through year old topics? Or why they just couldn't make new ones?
It's mostly due to the search option. People search for something obscure, one result comes up, and so they post in it, they very rarely seem to notice they've actually posted in an old thread, replying to year old questions and the like.
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Nothing needs to be done about this, really. There are also good reasons to resurrect threads, such as a piece of relevant news long after the original topic ended.
If a thread gets necroed for nothing, just lock it. That's all that needs to be done.
If a thread gets necroed for nothing, just lock it. That's all that needs to be done.
Yep, I agree. If the semi-lock system was ever put in place subforums such as the police station and golbal studios would have a much longer "locking" time. At the moment, however, nothing is in place at all in case of necroing, bumped threads aren't locked, and people spamming the topic trying to stop the necromancing aren't warned either.
Taking what Ceres said into account, there could be an easier way, you could add some kind of warning for those trying to post in ancient threads, like "This topic has not been posted in for over a year, are you sure you want to bump the topic?", so at least people would know what they are doing. Either way, I'd be happy with some kind of rule change.
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Well,sometimes bringing up old threads is a good thing.What if it was rather interesting,but died down?Shouldn't it get a chance at a comeback?Though,if it turns into something annoying,I go with Boss Velotix.Just Lock it.
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It's serious business to a lot of people. The rules need to be there to support the community, so this amendment is rather necessary.
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Maybe that should become a written rule.
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I say we have it like other infringements; users report bad posts, a mod fixes it, everyone's happy, rainbows and unicorns, the end happily ever after.
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Good bumping:
- Posting something relevant in the thread with the clear intent to maintain it rather than simply bump it.
- Updating a thread when applicable (e. g. sprite comics, fan fiction, ongoing projects).
Bad bumping:
- Posting just to bring the topic (even if it's the bumper's topic) to the front page--no point to the post, no actual contribution to the thread unless you count the possibility of people making relevant posts in it upon noticing the thread. Essentially, nothing more than a "look at my thread!" post.
- Posting just to make someone feel rotten for bumping an old thread, regardless of the reason for the initial bump.
- Posting just to annoy other users who get bothered by bumping.
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General Luigi wrote:
The issue here seems to be separating "good bumping" from "bad bumping." Good bumping would be allowed, while bad bumping would be subject to punishment. My position:
Bad bumping:
Bad bumping:
- Posting just to bring the topic (even if it's the bumper's topic) to the front page--no point to the post, no actual contribution to the thread unless you count the possibility of people making relevant posts in it upon noticing the thread. Essentially, nothing more than a "look at my thread!" post.
Except at the moment, if you were the last to post in a thread. A while later you'll get the option of bumping it once.
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So, what's the poor newbie to do? Can't win either way. The mini-mod problem is more annoying than any amount of necromancy.
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Amy wrote:
What if this had something to with the no pairing topics rule. For example, my friend ships Phoenix/Franziska, and she saw that there was a rule against pairing topics, so she had a little dig through the threads and found a thread. Instead of making a new topic, she revived an old one. Is this good?
I think that's fine, as long as she contributed to the topic.
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When someone joins a new forum of course they want to discuss all the most interesting parts of the games, but naturally those are the things old members have already done to death. Ideally new people would search for a topic they're interested in, read through the discussion that's happened before, and post something original or relevant to revive the thread for fresh discussion. With newbs it doesn't always work that way...and we do lock some Necros. But I can't tell new people "You're not allowed to talk about stuff we've already talked about, ever." Either we let new threads be made or we let them revive old threads.
Personally I think revival is the lesser evil, because at least then we can encourage people to use the search function, read discussions that have been had before, build on what was done rather than have a group of new people chatter on about someone everyone else already knew.
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With Art/Sprites/fanfiction topics it's rather pointless to comment (even if it's relevant and has not been mentioned before) if the original author of that topic hasn't been online for quite some time.
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Thread Necromancy peut être un chose de bien, et c'est mieux que créer un nouveau discussion sur le même sujet.
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Ceres wrote:
If I might add, there is a difference between necroing; discussion topics and Art/Sprites/fanfiction topics.
With Art/Sprites/fanfiction topics it's rather pointless to comment (even if it's relevant and has not been mentioned before) if the original author of that topic hasn't been online for quite some time.
With Art/Sprites/fanfiction topics it's rather pointless to comment (even if it's relevant and has not been mentioned before) if the original author of that topic hasn't been online for quite some time.
Ceres is right. Some people actually like to keep their topics that they update a lot on the front page. If the author hasn't been on in forever, it's not that smart to make some random comment about the thread.
Also, I see a lot of Authors bumping their pointless topics just to get people to read them.
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Also, I see a lot of Authors bumping their pointless topics just to get people to read them.
If a topic is pointless it ought to be locked anyway, so please report those when you see them.
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Greeny wrote:
Like I said. If the poster, like Rotan, has a good reason, why would people report the necro-post anyways?
I say we have it like other infringements; users report bad posts, a mod fixes it, everyone's happy, rainbows and unicorns, the end happily ever after.
I say we have it like other infringements; users report bad posts, a mod fixes it, everyone's happy, rainbows and unicorns, the end happily ever after.
Agreed. As people have said, there are sometimes good reasons to necro topics, but a lot of the time it becomes really infuriating. I swear to god I almost had an aneurysm when Kitty Paine was necroing every other sprite topic, for which, unless you aren't the creator of the sprite topic and declaring a return, there really isn't any good reason to necro.
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FlameInferno wrote:
I kind of like the idea for a semi-lock. I'm pretty new to this forum and I always find myself accidentally necroing topics.
The easier solution would be to pay more attention before posting your reply...?
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Someone sees something they like sure it's late but they'll reply and they'll realise that the thread is dead when they don't get a reply, it's not like they are going to continue posting there with no replies.
Then when the original author doesn't reply they can tell the next poster there that the thread is dead if they wish otherwise the new poster will realise the thread is dead when they get no reply and so the cycle repeats.
I don't know why people are so bothered by something so small
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Croik wrote:
FlameInferno wrote:
I kind of like the idea for a semi-lock. I'm pretty new to this forum and I always find myself accidentally necroing topics.
The easier solution would be to pay more attention before posting your reply...?
That's true, I've been slightly more careful nowadays. Though, when I first popped up in this forum, I was extremely careless.
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Croik wrote:
FlameInferno wrote:
I kind of like the idea for a semi-lock. I'm pretty new to this forum and I always find myself accidentally necroing topics.
The easier solution would be to pay more attention before posting your reply...?
That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard. You should know us better than that.
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I think that necroing isn't really that big of a deal, but that's just me. I, however, don't like the idea of people bumping just...Because they can. O_O
A semi-lock system is a good idea, but do we really need it? I think locking a topic when it is bumped pointlessly would be just as effective.
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So someone posts in a thread that's been dead for a while, what's the harm in that?
And I can see the obvious annoyance in something like
"Haha! I found this on page 23!
"But a normal post in a dead thread doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
What harm is done, really?
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It's a generelisation, I know, but saying something outrageous is the way to wake people up.
That's why what Ceres said earlier is right, we need to make a clear seperation between bumping a discussion and bumping an art thread.
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Greeny wrote:
People who condone bumping clearly do not have their own art topic.
It's a generelisation, I know, but saying something outrageous is the way to wake people up.
That's why what Ceres said earlier is right, we need to make a clear seperation between bumping a discussion and bumping an art thread.
It's a generelisation, I know, but saying something outrageous is the way to wake people up.
That's why what Ceres said earlier is right, we need to make a clear seperation between bumping a discussion and bumping an art thread.
But there is a difference between a thread being dead and the owner not being online.
And I do have 3 different art topics and I condone bumping.
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Offline isn't what we Mean, Left CR is what we mean. It's pointless buping a year old thread, especially is the owner isn't going to see it.
Yeah, that's what I meant.
I'll be clearer. There is a difference between posting in an art thread that has been dormant, but the owner still is active in CR, and an art thread where the owner had abandoned CR.
And that probably isn't a regular occurrence, but that's why no rules have been set in place. Because we can't know.
The same reason that they won't delete your account even if your last visit was in 2007.
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(the same way this board alerts you if someone posted while you were typing). Would it be possible to implement something like that for the Present Evidence forums? It doesn't stop people with reasons to post, it just alerts people who might not have been aware that the post was old.
I don't think necroing discussions is a problem at all, but it is annoying in the Present Evidence forums, since people with recent updates get pushed behind years-old threads that the creator is probably not coming back to.
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Glace Leau wrote:
I don't think necroing discussions is a problem at all, but it is annoying in the Present Evidence forums, since people with recent updates get pushed behind years-old threads that the creator is probably not coming back to.
OK, now I understand you guys problem with it. This makes sense.
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