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Author: | Romeo [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:02 am ] |
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You do realise Arkillian that while I appreciate your criticism, 'stylised' drawing is my way of drawing. I love the sylised way of drawing. The big hair, huge eyes, over exagurrated feautures, caricuture, the lot of it I maybe should have stated this from the start. I do like realism, but to an extent-Let me re-read the proportion page... I will post what it says. Spoiler: Long! I'm copying from 'female proportions', as that is what I attempted to draw I found this fine advice, myself. The Male proportions page is verrry similar but speaks more about muscle development rather than curves. It may chuck you in at the deep end just a little, starting with heads, but it explains how to draw everything there very thouroughly. If you want I could scan in some pages but i find that not needed. Sometimes I think the legs look too tall for the body, this is why I shorten them a lot, which looks good to me, but to others I will have no idea. I find the book greatly useful. It covers more areas than any other book I could see so I bought it. |
Author: | Arkillian [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:57 am ] |
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I stand by my critique still then. The FORM is far more important than the proportion. I was only talking specifically the proportion cause that is what you requested critique on. If this is not what you wanted to hear, then I'm not sure what you were expecting anyone to say. All I can say then is keep studying from the book if that is what you are comfortable with, and practice your form. You have a few errors in your form that I could illustrate with a red line critique. |
Author: | Romeo [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:02 am ] |
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That would be very nice, Arkillian, if you could do the red-line thing. I suppose I need to work on my form too, I should have asked for crits on that I do appreciate how much you are helping me, and everyone else here, please don't take it the wrong way. |
Author: | Arkillian [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:59 am ] |
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Romeo wrote: That would be very nice, Arkillian, if you could do the red-line thing. I suppose I need to work on my form too, I should have asked for crits on that I do appreciate how much you are helping me, and everyone else here, please don't take it the wrong way. OK- I had a feeling it's what you really wanted, but I gave you thoughts on proportion anyway in case it really wasn't what you wanted. Spoiler: Red Line Crit Features to note:-
Anyways, that's what I could pull from that drawing. My suggestion- once you've drawn a few poses in your 1: 5 scaled human (I think it's that? Or 1:6?), go to Posemaniacs, and draw some poses without assistance from there. It'll be tricky since you work in a different scale, but don't worry about accuracy- just the form. See how the limbs move, and draw it. They also have 30 second poses. It's tricky at first, but once you get use to them, it makes coming up with original poses alot easier. I hope that was better help for you :) |
Author: | Romeo [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:32 pm ] |
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This was greatly helpful. Thank you. I dont know many proper artists words so I wasn't sure what to call it. I was going to ask for help on, 'getting the body to look right' but that could cover many things. I will keep practicing and hopefully I can get better with time. I will check out that Posemaniacs too! Maybe after I can show some more work. One problem though. I cannot see the red-line crit. ITs not slowly loading, its just not showing up. Therefore I cannot use all the crits, espeically the last one. Can you fix it please? I would be grateful if you did. |
Author: | Arkillian [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:34 pm ] |
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>.< I was sure I pasted it... Maybe I got caught up and didn't check. It's there now though |
Author: | Romeo [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:39 pm ] |
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Aaaah, I see now. Thank you. I knew the leg was off. She looks much more natural now, thank you for the help. Greatly appreicated. |
Author: | ProsecutorPressley [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:44 pm ] |
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I just want to thank you, Arkillian, for the advice and comments you gave... It's really helpfull ! And is this the book you were talking about? Cause then I'm planning on getting it! |
Author: | Arkillian [ Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:05 pm ] |
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Oh- Yes! Mine is a different colour to that but I may have a different printing :) It's great, but the first few exercises apparently hurt a little. It's because the left side is fighting the right.I don't know cause I didn't need to do that exercise cause my left side sits in the corner most of the time anyways. Persevere with it, ok? It may not make sense, but it works :) I'm glad I helped ^^ <edit> No- it's just the scan. The book is the same as my one :)</edit> |
Author: | JeremyGavin [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:04 pm ] |
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I've only one picture to my name... And I drew it in the margin of one of my text books. Sorry he's so small |
Author: | Arkillian [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:37 pm ] |
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Sorry- what were you wanting crit on? If you're wanting critique on it from me, I'd rather not critique an image that small. |
Author: | JeremyGavin [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:48 pm ] |
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Arkillian wrote: Sorry- what were you wanting crit on? If you're wanting critique on it from me, I'd rather not critique an image that small. Here's a larger though lower quality one. Spoiler: Big So I was just wondering overall if I did it right. Like proportions, details, etc. |
Author: | Arkillian [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:15 pm ] |
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I don't think you understood me. I can enlarge images myself, and a minor degree of camera distortion can be ok with simple pictures. Your image however is physically too small, and rescanning it wont help that. I'm sorry, but I can give alot of crit on art, but when it's that small, you don't have the space for hand movement to get in details, mistakes become plainly obvious, and it doesn't show your understanding of anatomy. If it fits into the margin of a page, then unless you have a super fine pen, it's generally classed as a sketch or a doodle. Sketches and doodles are great for throwing ideas down fast, but due to their size, can only be judged artistically on story, layout, and appeal. Nothing detail related. Otherwise it undermines the fun/fast aspect of it. Come back to me when you have a larger picture... something that'd fill atleast an A5 page (148mm × 210mm / 5.8inch × 8.3inch). That way, I can see what you do and don't know about anatomy and art in general :) <edit> Sorry- I should mention that this is MY base requirement for giving crit cause I know the meaning of doodles- they're for fun, and I feel that if I crit a doodle, it takes away the fun aspect. If someone else feels they can supply a suitable crit, then go for it. I dont' crit art that is smaller than A5 for the above reasons. </edit> |
Author: | Arkillian [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:22 pm ] |
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I'd like some crit again if people can give it. Spoiler: Sweeney Todd picture OK, so before people start giving me crit that I can't change due to the pigment of pencil and time constraints for this, I'm actually only interested in crit for a few areas.
I think that's all I want to know >.> Anything else would be too late, or I wont have time to fix. Thank you for anyone that gives thoughts on this no matter how brief :) |
Author: | JeremyGavin [ Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:57 pm ] |
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1) His gloves fine. I can tell it apart if that's what your asking 2) I'm feeling a bit like Lotta as I don't really know what a wash out is supposed to do, but I couldn't really tell that there was any blue added. |
Author: | Arkillian [ Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:14 am ] |
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JeremyGavin wrote: 1) His gloves fine. I can tell it apart if that's what your asking 2) I'm feeling a bit like Lotta as I don't really know what a wash out is supposed to do, but I couldn't really tell that there was any blue added. Hrmm... I had a feeling it was too textured damn it T.T Yeah, that was what I was asking- if the gloves didn't blend with the background. Looks like I'm going to have to knock back the background a bit... make it darker. I was getting pretty tired by the time I got to this part of the picture. I probably should've stopped way before then ^^; A colour wash is when there's a colour over the whole page which is transparent. The colour is only very subtle- you probably wouldn't notice it unless I compared it to a grey version. It gives the grey pencil a bit of personality. Normally I turn it sepia, or a golden brown colour. This one I thought blue would work better, but I think it's a little too cold >.> Thank you for your comment :) |
Author: | Golden Luxray [ Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:34 pm ] |
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heya need to ask how many heads are meant to fit in a body? 4, 5 or 6? |
Author: | Romeo [ Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:59 pm ] |
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Golden Luxray wrote: heya need to ask how many heads are meant to fit in a body? 4, 5 or 6? Hmm well it depends on many things. Very young characters tend to have a bigger head in relation to the body- maybe around 4 heads, but this is toddlers we are talking about. As they get older their comparison changes, but when grown up you can expect them to be 7/8 heads in height. Any more than 8 would be tall characters, and 6 would be used for teenagers and shorter people. However, if like me you draw in a half-chibi fashion, you can expect normal characters to be 6 heads tall. I cannot explain it very well. ARKY TO THE RESCUE |
Author: | Arkillian [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:35 am ] |
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Romeo wrote: Golden Luxray wrote: heya need to ask how many heads are meant to fit in a body? 4, 5 or 6? Hmm well it depends on many things. Very young characters tend to have a bigger head in relation to the body- maybe around 4 heads, but this is toddlers we are talking about. As they get older their comparison changes, but when grown up you can expect them to be 7/8 heads in height. Any more than 8 would be tall characters, and 6 would be used for teenagers and shorter people. However, if like me you draw in a half-chibi fashion, you can expect normal characters to be 6 heads tall. I cannot explain it very well. ARKY TO THE RESCUE Lol- You pretty much explained it, but anything goes really :) There's no really rule to what is right, just knowing how long the arms and legs are. Realistic proportions are as Romeo says, but fashion design uses a 1:10 ration sometime to get a longer leg and slinkier body, and animes like Sailor moon I think were a 1:9 for similar reason. I use 1:8 cause it's easier to measure for me, but I think Romeo was suggesting that they liked a 1:6 on their characters cause they preferred the larger head look. There's nothing wrong with any proportion you use. If this helps, think of it this way. Under 1:7 is cute and cuddly, 1:8 and above is elegant and slinky. Anything in between is normal (for an adult). What you DO need to follow if you want your characters to look healthy and not stumpy, is that the elbow goes to the belly button, finger tips stop half way down the thigh, if you crouch the character- the thighs to their chest, the knees sit under the chin, and the eyes are always level, and evenly spaced from the nose. If you get those rules to a pat, then the scale usually fixes itself. After that, it's WAY more important that you get the balance and the form right. Sketch it all out and see how it looks and go from there :) |
Author: | Golden Luxray [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:13 pm ] |
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Arkillian wrote: Romeo wrote: Golden Luxray wrote: heya need to ask how many heads are meant to fit in a body? 4, 5 or 6? Hmm well it depends on many things. Very young characters tend to have a bigger head in relation to the body- maybe around 4 heads, but this is toddlers we are talking about. As they get older their comparison changes, but when grown up you can expect them to be 7/8 heads in height. Any more than 8 would be tall characters, and 6 would be used for teenagers and shorter people. However, if like me you draw in a half-chibi fashion, you can expect normal characters to be 6 heads tall. I cannot explain it very well. ARKY TO THE RESCUE Lol- You pretty much explained it, but anything goes really :) There's no really rule to what is right, just knowing how long the arms and legs are. Realistic proportions are as Romeo says, but fashion design uses a 1:10 ration sometime to get a longer leg and slinkier body, and animes like Sailor moon I think were a 1:9 for similar reason. I use 1:8 cause it's easier to measure for me, but I think Romeo was suggesting that they liked a 1:6 on their characters cause they preferred the larger head look. There's nothing wrong with any proportion you use. If this helps, think of it this way. Under 1:7 is cute and cuddly, 1:8 and above is elegant and slinky. Anything in between is normal (for an adult). What you DO need to follow if you want your characters to look healthy and not stumpy, is that the elbow goes to the belly button, finger tips stop half way down the thigh, if you crouch the character- the thighs to their chest, the knees sit under the chin, and the eyes are always level, and evenly spaced from the nose. If you get those rules to a pat, then the scale usually fixes itself. After that, it's WAY more important that you get the balance and the form right. Sketch it all out and see how it looks and go from there :) thx guys that should help ill show ya if i make an ok body ^^ |
Author: | Dora Feddy [ Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:03 am ] |
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I'm here for another critique, if you don't mind, Arkillian. I dunno if it has to PW fanart or not, oh well... Anyways, what I'm really asking for is a critique on the proportions and shape, since I was pretty much lazy on the color and shading. Spoiler: |
Author: | Arkillian [ Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:05 am ] |
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Dora Feddy wrote: I'm here for another critique, if you don't mind, Arkillian. I dunno if it has to PW fanart or not, oh well... Anyways, what I'm really asking for is a critique on the proportions and shape, since I was pretty much lazy on the color and shading. Spoiler: Firstly, mind if I ask what you were trying to achieve with the picture, cause right now, it has alot of character and merit. If what you wanted how ever was to aim for realism, then I'd be able to say something. Right now however, it's a characterised picture, and has it's own charm :) |
Author: | Dora Feddy [ Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:18 am ] |
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Arkillian wrote: Firstly, mind if I ask what you were trying to achieve with the picture, cause right now, it has alot of character and merit. If what you wanted how ever was to aim for realism, then I'd be able to say something. Right now however, it's a characterised picture, and has it's own charm :) Honesty, I have NO idea what I was trying to draw, but thank you for the compliment. I wouldn't mind if you went with the whole realism idea though, I would really appreciate the tips. |
Author: | Golden Luxray [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:02 pm ] |
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heya erm another question does anyone have any tips to draw a wolf/ dog? (or is thread only for people?...'~') |
Author: | Arkillian [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:58 pm ] |
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Golden Luxray wrote: heya erm another question does anyone have any tips to draw a wolf/ dog? (or is thread only for people?...'~') All I can say is to draw it in simple shapes and then flesh it out. It's the ground basis of all art, but I don't tend to draw animals so I can't help you much- sorry :( If you're on Furaffinity, they could help better. Their registrations are down right now if you don't though. Dora Feddy wrote: Honesty, I have NO idea what I was trying to draw, but thank you for the compliment. I wouldn't mind if you went with the whole realism idea though, I would really appreciate the tips. I guess sometimes just letting it happen has it's own bonuses :) Having a purpose for the art however is pretty key. If it's for fun only, then I'd say just leave it. IF you're trying for accuracy, there's a few things up with it. Remember, when I say this, I actually think it's fine as it is. IF you want me to nit pick it to realism, these are my thoughts:-
It'd be easier to give more if you had a photo reference you went off. till then, this is all I can point out :) I hope it helped. |
Author: | Golden Luxray [ Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:47 pm ] |
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aw man i cant draw mia :( tips anyone?? (oh and also the wolf i thought you might like a looky Spoiler: |
Author: | Dora Feddy [ Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:31 pm ] |
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Arkillian wrote: Stuff a post or so up. Thanks so much for the tips.... I eh, don't really have much to say... I had to go get rabies shots yesterday after an incident, so I'm kinda out of it (still wondering what the heck happened)... I really do appreciate the criticism though. ----- Golden Luxray wrote: aw man i cant draw mia :( tips anyone?? (oh and also the wolf i thought you might like a looky Spoiler: I uh, ain't exactly the best on drawing animals, but if Arkillian doesn't mind I could give you a few pointers... |
Author: | Golden Luxray [ Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:10 pm ] |
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Dora Feddy wrote: Arkillian wrote: Stuff a post or so up. Thanks so much for the tips.... I eh, don't really have much to say... I had to go get rabies shots yesterday after an incident, so I'm kinda out of it (still wondering what the heck happened)... I really do appreciate the criticism though. ----- Golden Luxray wrote: aw man i cant draw mia :( tips anyone?? (oh and also the wolf i thought you might like a looky Spoiler: I uh, ain't exactly the best on drawing animals, but if Arkillian doesn't mind I could give you a few pointers... im sure arky wont mind and i would love to know what you think too ^_' |
Author: | Arkillian [ Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:54 pm ] |
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As I said before, I don't draw animals, so I couldn't help you so much. I'd be giving basic advice. This crit thread is open to ANYONE giving crit :) I'm just giving crit to everyone so the forum is moving. I'm by NO means an expert at all forms of art though. I'm particularly weak in non humans. What kind of advice are you wanting on drawing Mia? I say just do it. Sorry that's not helpful ^^; |
Author: | Golden Luxray [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:06 am ] |
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Arkillian wrote: As I said before, I don't draw animals, so I couldn't help you so much. I'd be giving basic advice. This crit thread is open to ANYONE giving crit :) I'm just giving crit to everyone so the forum is moving. I'm by NO means an expert at all forms of art though. I'm particularly weak in non humans. What kind of advice are you wanting on drawing Mia? I say just do it. Sorry that's not helpful ^^; oh yh sorry kinda forgot that you dont draw animals sorry, but anyway heres my kinda failed mia Spoiler: |
Author: | Arkillian [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:09 am ] |
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I think she looks very Mia-ish, so I wouldn't worry about people not getting who she is. She does have anatomical errors though- is that what you are wanting help on? Cause she looks very Mia to me :) |
Author: | Dora Feddy [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:04 pm ] |
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Golden Luxray wrote: Spoiler: I'll try my best to critique it properly, but don't expect anything too fantastic or thought provoking. Just ask if you need me to elaborate on something. One thing to remember is that having a good reference at hand can help your drawing a lot. Starting off with lightly drawn basic lines and shapes can be a hassle, but after you get an idea of what you're drawing by using them it becomes easier to give the drawing its final look. Spoiler: - The back of the wolf in your drawing looks odd because of the way it suddenly arches up. It makes it look like the hip is up way farther than it should be. - The base of the tail is very thick. With fluffy tailed animals like a wolf, the base of the tail looks the thinnest, since the fur around it doesn't 'fluff out' like it does farther down the tail. - The forelegs and hind legs. The 'armpits' on canines are level or only a little above the chest or bellies. The rest is only the shadows cast by the muscles. If you continue the limbs far above the chest and belly, then they will look flat. - The head mostly just has perspective issues. I'm not sure which way you wanted the wolf to be looking. There... Thats pretty much all I had to nit-pick about. I hope I didn't do too badly... |
Author: | Golden Luxray [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:26 pm ] |
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Arkillian wrote: I think she looks very Mia-ish, so I wouldn't worry about people not getting who she is. She does have anatomical errors though- is that what you are wanting help on? Cause she looks very Mia to me :) thx well i just wanted to know what you thinked and any errors that you saw and can see afew myself XD Dora Feddy wrote: Golden Luxray wrote: Spoiler: I'll try my best to critique it properly, but don't expect anything too fantastic or thought provoking. Just ask if you need me to elaborate on something. One thing to remember is that having a good reference at hand can help your drawing a lot. Starting off with lightly drawn basic lines and shapes can be a hassle, but after you get an idea of what you're drawing by using them it becomes easier to give the drawing its final look. Spoiler: - The back of the wolf in your drawing looks odd because of the way it suddenly arches up. It makes it look like the hip is up way farther than it should be. - The base of the tail is very thick. With fluffy tailed animals like a wolf, the base of the tail looks the thinnest, since the fur around it doesn't 'fluff out' like it does farther down the tail. - The forelegs and hind legs. The 'armpits' on canines are level or only a little above the chest or bellies. The rest is only the shadows cast by the muscles. If you continue the limbs far above the chest and belly, then they will look flat. - The head mostly just has perspective issues. I'm not sure which way you wanted the wolf to be looking. There... Thats pretty much all I had to nit-pick about. I hope I didn't do too badly... thx im sure that will help :P ( its meant to be looking to the side kinda XD well my mum has a little fake wolf thats looking that way so i used that and a pic that i cant fid any more) |
Author: | nekonohime [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:40 pm ] |
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I REALLY need help with shading. I'm terrible at it. Spoiler: Horrible Shading |
Author: | Golden Luxray [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:14 pm ] |
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nekonohime wrote: I REALLY need help with shading. I'm terrible at it. Spoiler: Horrible Shading the shading looks good to me but i dont know where the light is coming from thats the only thing i can think of but over all good work ^_' |
Author: | nekonohime [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:20 pm ] |
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Golden Luxray wrote: the shading looks good to me but i dont know where the light is coming from thats the only thing i can think of but over all good work ^_' I wanted it to come from the top left corner but I couldn't figure out where the shading was supposed to go, so I just put it in random places. The shading on the pants is especially weird :/ |
Author: | Golden Luxray [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:39 pm ] |
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nekonohime wrote: Golden Luxray wrote: the shading looks good to me but i dont know where the light is coming from thats the only thing i can think of but over all good work ^_' I wanted it to come from the top left corner but I couldn't figure out where the shading was supposed to go, so I just put it in random places. The shading on the pants is especially weird :/ lol i put some grey where i thought the shading should go but it kinda made it looks a little wierd...(also i did it in colour too) Spoiler: i hope it helps but it probly wont '~' |
Author: | nekonohime [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:00 pm ] |
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Hey this does help somewhat. Geez I need to pay more attention to where the shading goes XD Thanks! |
Author: | Golden Luxray [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:09 pm ] |
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nekonohime wrote: Hey this does help somewhat. Geez I need to pay more attention to where the shading goes XD Thanks! he he thats ok ^_' love to help another time if ya need it |
Author: | Arkillian [ Sun Aug 01, 2010 5:43 am ] |
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nekonohime wrote: I REALLY need help with shading. I'm terrible at it. Spoiler: Horrible Shading Spoiler: Crit Shading is a difficult thing to do on manga for me cause it's deformed from realistic proportions so I don't know where everything is, but I wiped your shading off and gave it just 1 level of shading. Shading is basically all about understanding what is happening in the picture, where the light is coming from, temperature and all sorts of things. To get it right, you're going to need to get out a book. I don't think you should do anything heavier than 1 layer of shading if you don't know what you're doing, or it'll become obvious. If you want to improve on it, I suggest drawing from another picture, and seeing what lighting is like from someone that knows what they're doing and see how they do it. I'd prefer a photo, but everything has mistakes now days so... >.> The biggest thing is visualising your character as a 3D object and not a flat plane. And for a character without a background, I suggest using a more saturated colour for shading than the base colour so it doesn't wash out :) I think you have some basic ideas there of shading- don't get me wrong. They just don't give off quite the right shape. It's all practice though. |
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