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Author: | CatMuto [ Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | 7 Seeds (Tamura Yumi) |
"When you open your eyes, you don't know if you're in heaven or in hell. Nonetheless, you strongly wish to keep surviving." In the near future, scientists predict a meteor crash to occur, which would wipe out humanity. The government and world leaders got together to come up with countermeasures to this impending catastrophe. Among the countermeasures is the called-crazy Project "7 Seeds", meant as the last resort measure in the worst case scenario. Project 7 Seeds: young and healthy teens and twens are hand-picked to be put into cryostasis, with a guide to support them, to survive the apocalypse and to be awoken once earth is deemed inhabitable again. In Japan, the chosen people are separated into five teams of eight people, known as Team Spring, Team Summer A, Team Summer B, Team Autumn and Team Winter. The series begins with the awakening of Team Summer B, finding themselves in an unknown place and with no knowledge how they got here. How the other Teams have been faring, earth's current status and how they try to survive in this new world for them... leaves to be read. A manga created by Tamura Yumi and current on-going with 140+ chapters. The story comes across as practically any apocalyptic/post-apocalyptic series these days, but it actually puts a lot of emphasis on the characters and how the develop, be it overall in terms of personality or by how they learn to adapt and survive in the post-apocalyptic world. While the cast starts off with 40 for all teams, easily double that number with the non-team-members that are nonetheless important to the plot, it's overall pretty easy to know who is who and easy enough to tell apart in terms of appearance, with perhaps a slight similarity here and there. The characters are overall pretty memorable in my eyes, though there are still some characters that, up to now, remain rather underdeveloped and lacking a background. (Case in point, Akane from Team Autumn... so, like, she's sensitive to potentially occult things, but other than that, there's not much known about her) There is no definite 'Protagonist' in the series, the manga overall tries to keep the focus on the teams themselves, if not at least on several people. The teams begin to split up, form smaller groups or mingle with other ones, which leads to some interesting interactions. Spoiler: My Opinion On The Up-To-Now Chapters And Arcs - Part I Spoiler: My Opinion On The Up-To-Now Chapters And Arcs - Part II Due To A Big Spoiler In a general statement, I do not like the romance between Arashi and Hana. Not only is it a childhoodfriends-turned-lovers one, it's also one that has all of its background happen prior to the story. And what is presented via flashbacks or memories... tells me nothing. Arashi apparently wants to touch Hana's hair, cause he finds it pretty. I don't know anything about them as a couple! Why are they in love with each other? Why do they act like the other is the most important person in their life? Why did Arashi become suicidal when he began to lose hope that Hana was alive? Why do these two always sound like they're whining when they're talking about wanting to find the other? Why am I supposed to care about these two as love interests, when I am much more interested in potential couples happening now? We're post-apocalyptic! Two characters from Team Autumn seem to have had a romance beginning and are now awaiting a child. I'm much more interested in those two, particularly because they have relationship issues, one wanting to help, but being too unsure on how he can, so asking just results in being friendly brushed off. Ryusei is an ex-Casanova who knows that he can't take things seriously, but he's trying to become a better man to Kurumi, especially now that they are about to be parents. That's interesting! I wanna read that! Not hear Hana whining again about how she misses Arashi or vice-versa. C-A PS: Though I am complaining about sections of the manga, particularly about certain characters, I do suggest people to read this manga, as it is quite interesting as it gets started. |
Author: | CatMuto [ Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:42 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 7 Seeds (Tamura Yumi) |
During my current re-reading of the manga, I realized an issue I had with Hana that I couldn't put my finger on earlier. She doesn't change. She enters the manga as an active girl, who overdoes things in order to not think of sad things, whines about missing her boyfriend and glares at people who dare to give her orders. And she has not changed at all. She's still an active girl, who overdoes things so she won't think of sad or bad things, whines how she wants to see her boyfriend and still hates people for giving her orders. That might be a reason why I like Natsu so much. She entered as an extremely shy girl, who was too scared to do things. And while she's still scared a lot, she toughened up and is being more pro-active, even doing things so she learns new skills. C-A |
Author: | Thelema [ Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:39 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 7 Seeds (Tamura Yumi) |
I'm reading it. Stopped at chapter 25, going to read more later. This manga is somehow similar to The Walking Dead in the sense it explores the human condition in moments of crisis and focuses on characters dealing with their personal shortcomings while trying to adapt to a group. Very interesting theme, imo, and the variety of characters gives the author the opportunity to set up many different relationships and interactions. Team Winter's story is heartbreaking as hell, lol. So far, probably my favorite moment in the manga. About Arashi and Hana... I don't like them. I really don't. I think up to now, every character reminded me a bit of people I know IRL, except Arashi and Hana. They are a Marty Stu/Mary Sue couple, and the fact that they are always focused on their relationship and never on themselves bug me. Every character has a weakness, something they must deal with as individuals. Natsu struggles with her sense of self-worth, Semimaru lacks discipline and Haru suffers from expectations built up around him... but Arashi and Hana are apparently semi-perfect, and their inner monologues are almost always about their relationship. They are more characterized by their relationship than anything else. And I agree that the emphasis is too excessive. I don't need to be reminded every chapter they are in about how they miss each other, simply cause they are in luv. Natsu's crush on Arashi is okay, it actually represents new opportunities for character development... but I really hope she gets over him at some point. I don't like continuous, pointless unrequited love in stories. |
Author: | CatMuto [ Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 7 Seeds (Tamura Yumi) |
Well, with the focus being gone from the Teams and switching around, you do have certain storiesor events for the characters feel like they are being dragged out, when they technically are not - in the example of Natsu's crush on Arashi, it may feel like she's still not over it, when she really is not taking that long to crush on him. As of yet, she doesn't seem to have gotten over it, but during a hallucination, she does confess that she likes him and, when the illusiory Arashi says he likes her, too, she realizes she likes him because he's in love with Hana. So, while I don't think she's over it, she at least got a step closer to advancing. And you really can tell she's changing whenever she reappears. And I'd like to point out that saying Natsu eventually suffers from a hallucination is not a spoiler, as it's pretty dang obvious what's going on, she admits it herself You pointing out that Hana and Arashi are more defined by their relationship... that actually rings true. Definitely more noticeable in the beginning, though Hana gets more emphasis later on, during her mini-arc of the rash (I think you are about to enter it) or... during the entire Team Summer A Settlement story... but she still whines about Arashi. I wanted to say Arashi seems to get better, but even he uses Hana's image as a way to keep going... Quite honestly, there's a point early on where Arashi, thinking that he'll never see Hana again, tries to kill himself... Honestly, this is one reason why I never understand why authority always picks teenagers to do things! Teenagers are overemotional and tend to stupid dramatics, because their priorities are skewed. And yes, Team Winter is a super sob-story. But it's a believeable sob-story, without feeling unnecessarily dramatic about things. Though I think I cried more for the wolf-dog than I did for Mitsuru... C-A |
Author: | Thelema [ Sun Sep 20, 2015 5:55 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 7 Seeds (Tamura Yumi) |
Currently reading chapter 54, and I gotta say Spoiler: Too bad the manga doesn't have an anime version. Team Summer A's story would make a good AMV. |
Author: | CatMuto [ Sun Sep 20, 2015 9:38 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 7 Seeds (Tamura Yumi) |
Quote: He is nice to Natsu, but I don't think he understands her... even superficially. Hana understands Haru and her comrades, in general. That's one of the main ways to describe Arashi. He's... a Nice Guy. He's friendly, helpful, polite and knows to encourage people gently is better than, say, doing it Semimaru's way. But other than that, he doesn't have much personality... you recall, he admits he's become really jealous since he started dating Hana and how he almost killed someone? Yeah, that flashback part to the event always felt off to me. And I'm not saying that because Hana is a moron, who meets people she knows are out for her blood, behind the school, alone. It just feels like something Arashi wouldn't do. It's so against his established personality, it feels like it was drawn to make him appear 'tougher' to everyone. Similar to how Tear Grants, from Tales of the Abyss, gets all moe when seeing cute stuff and liking it. It felt so off and so obviously done to make her appeal to the male audience, who like 'cute girls'. Quote: Too bad the manga doesn't have an anime version. Team Summer A's story would make a good AMV. Oh, yes! The manga's been going on for about a decade or so, still no talk about an anime. Or even a series of OVAs, all separated into one for each Team. It'd be pretty neat, but... they might think it would cost to me. You'd require 40 voice actors, more for the non-Team characters, how you'd make the switching between teams decent in visual form... it would be a huge production. C-A |
Author: | CatMuto [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 7 Seeds (Tamura Yumi) |
I just finished reading the latest Chapter (147). I was 20 pages in, when I realized it and went back, wondering what had happened that I was already halfway through the chapter. Then I recalled it was basically nothing but Hana and Arashi and them talking of nonesense that really didn't bother me or otherwise silently thinking of the other, now that they had established contact. And that just makes me realize how their relationship is... nothing. Their relationship prior to the apocalypse doesn't seem to have changed them or brought out something good out of each other. Arashi talks of a flaw of Hana's, which honestly doesn't sound like it's something unique to her (not focusing overall when one is in a pinch, but more on what's exactly in front of oneself) and then he and Hana start into a bantering of, "Are you calling me dumb?" "No, merely reckless" and... g~u~y~s, I'm not here to read about your teen-drama shit. Grab Aramaki, burn the fucking spiders and insects and leave. C-A |
Author: | CatMuto [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:23 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 7 Seeds (Tamura Yumi) |
Newest chapter was... okay. The manga once again tried to make me believe that Hana used to be a loner, and always is a loner, because she cannot make friends... you know, that's really hard to believe when everyone in this story has been smitten with Hana! Even Ryo admits that he found parts of Hana's personality fascinating and that Ango did that as well, which is why they clashed so much. Mark #1 of a Mary Sue: Everyone in the story likes her, even those who don't know her - like Natsu. Also, once again, Hana is the one who is going to go and do stuff. She will rescue Aramaki, yes, yes, she can do it. I know that she is the one out of the civilians, aside from Botan, who is best adapted for doing action-y things, because she was raised that way, but it still gets old. And why does she think she needs to be taken in by the spiders to rescue Aramaki, just burn the fucking nest down and catch him, when he's free. And have blankets or water nearby, if he or his clothes burn slightly, too. C-A |
Author: | Thelema [ Sat Dec 26, 2015 6:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 7 Seeds (Tamura Yumi) |
I think Arashi is the worst character in this manga to date. lol I was hesitant to say this at first, but now I think I'm sure of it. Arashi lacks depth. He is one of those perfect, artifical prince types. Look at Semimaru. He is obnoxious, but he is from the streets. He figures out people quickly. When Arashi was defending Hibari, Semimaru told him something like "you are a clueless bastard who doesn't have enough depth to figure out her true intentions". And he was right. Arashi is as deep as a puddle, but it is impossible to hate him because he is always so naive and innocent. Which makes him even more annoying. About Hana... she bugs me in the sense she isn't a relatable character at all. Her intentions are always good and noble. As you've said, a lot of people admire her, and she is Mary-sueish in this sense. In almost every shonen manga, the protagonist is loved by everyone and changes everyone's life, like Naruto or Ichigo from Bleach. I think Hana fills this role in 7 Seeds (except it is technically a shojo story). I think this kind of thing is obnoxious. Nobody is that important, no character should stay in the spotlight for that long. As much as I like Aramaki, I think he should stop worshipping Hana. Focus on other things a bit more Spoiler: Chapters 70 - 85 |
Author: | CatMuto [ Sat Dec 26, 2015 6:56 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 7 Seeds (Tamura Yumi) |
dangerousoffender wrote: Spoiler: Chapters 70 - 85 Spoiler: Ango and Chapters 70 - 85 Quote: I think Arashi is the worst character in this manga to date. lol I was hesitant to say this at first, but now I think I'm sure of it. Arashi lacks depth. He is one of those perfect, artifical prince types. Look at Semimaru. He is obnoxious, but he is from the streets. He figures out people quickly. When Arashi was defending Hibari, Semimaru told him something like "you are a clueless bastard who doesn't have enough depth to figure out her true intentions". And he was right. Arashi is as deep as a puddle, but it is impossible to hate him because he is always so naive and innocent. Which makes him even more annoying. Yeah, he's an okay character. In fact, it's because he is such a well-adjusted, good person that he feels very out of place in Team Summer B: the team of failures. Of course, then you realize he's only in the team because he's Miss Hana Mary Sugorono Sue's boyfriend and it all makes sense. As you say, he's an okay character, but his lack of... unique traits make him annoying. Arashi is the typical Nice Guy who is a bit Awkward about a few things and has no idea when Someone Is Obviously In Love With Him. Cut-'n'-Paste hero from practically every manga. Quote: As much as I like Aramaki, I think he should stop worshipping Hana. Focus on other things a bit more Yes. I would much rather hear more about his time spent roaming the earth, before meeting up with the other characters. He got more adjusted at the end of the Team Winter arc, but how soon did he leave for better places? How long did it take him to get an idea on when or how the climate changes, like when the dry season begins or heavy rain sets in? How many times was he stranded somewhere without drinking water during dry seasons? They keep dropping hints of what sort of went down, but nothing goes into detail. Spoiler: Early Aramaki Spoilers And Aramaki does get more interaction with a certain character later on, but I just couldn't help but not like it. It felt like a setup, a poor excuse of 'Defrosting Ice Character' and... just awkward. Also, hilariously-awkward-funny-embarrassing moments because hahahaha, let's laugh at that! Oh, so funny! 7 Seeds does an overall good job at having a large cast, but still keeping focus on several and developing them... except for Chisa. And Fujiko. Oh, and Akane. Just take a look at her TV Tropes character list. It has TWO tropes to it. Can we please focus on her? She seems really interesting. C-A PS: Oh! Please post your opinion/reaction to the chapter "Applause", which you'll get to soon enough. I'm really interested in seeing it. |
Author: | Thelema [ Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:39 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 7 Seeds (Tamura Yumi) |
Spoiler: Chapters 86-149 (hell yeah, I finally read the whole thing) |
Author: | CatMuto [ Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 7 Seeds (Tamura Yumi) |
Spoiler: The Applause Chapter Spoiler: The Fuji Ship Arc I think when they say Hana was a loner in the pre-apocalyptic world, they mean that her headstrong behavior could be often leading to butting heads and making it difficult for people to like her... I know that being blunt can be very problematic, so I might buy this part... but it still feels off with her being portrayed as anything but a loner in the series. Heck, Aramaki struck me more as a loner than she. She never talks about how much she prefers being on her own, whether she's doing anything or isn't. Spoiler: Ocean/Mountain Island Arc On a random note, I have the feeling a discussion of Monogamy VS Polygamy will pop up at some point. They have the monogamy ideas of their culture ingrained in them (and how happy the couples would be to 'share' is debateable), but they will repopulate humanity (least, that's one of the things they 'should' do, as part of the plan) and it is overall safer to have more partners there, as it leads to different DNA combinations... which, in the long run, really lowers the problem of inbreeding and mutations. Though that always bugged me, why only a total of 40 people? Who cares about money, it's the apocalypse, try to get a good... 80 to 100 people into this project. C-A |
Author: | Thelema [ Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:56 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 7 Seeds (Tamura Yumi) |
CatMuto wrote: Spoiler: The Applause Chapter Spoiler: The Fuji Ship Arc I think when they say Hana was a loner in the pre-apocalyptic world, they mean that her headstrong behavior could be often leading to butting heads and making it difficult for people to like her... I know that being blunt can be very problematic, so I might buy this part... but it still feels off with her being portrayed as anything but a loner in the series. Heck, Aramaki struck me more as a loner than she. She never talks about how much she prefers being on her own, whether she's doing anything or isn't. Spoiler: Ocean/Mountain Island Arc On a random note, I have the feeling a discussion of Monogamy VS Polygamy will pop up at some point. They have the monogamy ideas of their culture ingrained in them (and how happy the couples would be to 'share' is debateable), but they will repopulate humanity (least, that's one of the things they 'should' do, as part of the plan) and it is overall safer to have more partners there, as it leads to different DNA combinations... which, in the long run, really lowers the problem of inbreeding and mutations. Though that always bugged me, why only a total of 40 people? Who cares about money, it's the apocalypse, try to get a good... 80 to 100 people into this project. C-A Spoiler: BTW, thank you for mentioning this manga on the forum. I probably wouldn't know about its existence if you hadn't, and it is really good. lol |
Author: | CatMuto [ Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 7 Seeds (Tamura Yumi) |
Quote: BTW, thank you for mentioning this manga on the forum. I probably wouldn't know about its existence if you hadn't, and it is really good. lol You're welcome. I forget how exactly I began to read the manga myself... I had to give it two tries after some time, because I read a few chapters and figured it wasn't interesting enough to keep my attention. I'm glad I gave it a second chance, cause it's really great. It certainly has its (huge) share of flaws and could be improved a lot, but the idea is good, things are done rather believeably and majority of the characters are believeable. Some not necessarily likeable, even when they begin their character development, but the fact there is such development in them is great. Spoiler: Like I said, it might become a topic. Even the demographic may be thinking "Well, if it's to repopulate humanity..." and most have history, anyway, that openly points out how royalty tended to inbreed and marry their close cousins and all, which led to problems. And as I said, I don't know how willing the currently established couples would be with that idea. Some may be all for it, others may be against it. If anything, I think Team Summer A - in general - would be more open to the idea. (They are genetically enhanced offspring, to begin with) C-A |
Author: | CatMuto [ Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:29 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 7 Seeds (Tamura Yumi) |
New chapter out. And I have to say, I was happy to see that Kurumi and Ryusei got several pages devoted to them and advancing in their characters. Course, then it jumped to Hana, so... C-A |
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